Topic: STOP The Federal Reserve
andrewzooms's photo
Wed 12/12/07 09:15 PM
The panic of 1907 was started by Jp. morgan that is a fact.

jvc534's photo
Thu 12/13/07 10:20 AM
Are you serious?! The Fed only regulates our SRAS to attempt to keep the economy in L-R equilibrium! Without them I would HATE think what would happen to this economy! I shall hear nothing more of this rubbish!

yzrabbit1's photo
Thu 12/13/07 03:28 PM

The only people who will benefit with the removal of the income tax are people with ridiculously huge amounts of money. Do you have ridiculously huge amounts of money?

Fanta46's photo
Thu 12/13/07 04:41 PM



The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE COPORATION OWNED BY PRIVATE BANKS



totage - if you dont mind where did you get ur info from? because I do know that the Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

The Federal Reserve System has a structure designed by Congress to give it a broad perspective on the economy and on economic activity in all parts of the nation. It is a federal system, composed basically of a central, governmental agency--the Board of Governors--in Washington, D.C., and twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, located in major cities throughout the nation. These components share responsibility for supervising and regulating certain financial institutions and activities; for providing banking services to depository institutions and to the federal government; and for ensuring that consumers receive adequate information and fair treatment in their business with the banking system.


Very good fanshade!drinker
Thanks, the disinformation about the Federal Reaserve is amazing!

Who said Ft. Knox doesnt exist?
It certainly does and the gold in it still backs our "credit."
Besides our gold, it also holds a lot of European Gold!

The dollar, according to the money exchange, has actually been increasing lately! It really is not even that big of an indicator to the wealth of the Nation! Our dollar still bus a lot more here, than most other countries buy in theirs. Plus our mediam income level is like 3rd or 4th in the World!

I keep hearing that other countries are dropping the dollar, but I have yet to see anyone show proof!

Who?, Where?, When?

Other than Ron Paul-Rhetoric, and very, very "few and far out-numbered economist," reports are that the Federal Reserve is very healthy, model system of financial strength coveted by most of the modern world!

Sure it has its problems, but it is still a strong and sound institution!

You want to see what no taxes do, look at New Orleans. Lousiana and Mississippi had been getting by with very little State taxes for years. They rely on the Fed to do everything, and cant pay a good enough wage to get good teachers, new schools, etc.

Sorry if I ofended someones home state, but Ive lived there, I know what Im saying, ($37.50 for a lifetime tag?)!

Everyone wants all these beefits, but they dont want to pay. Where the hell do you think the money to pay for the stuff that has us, me included, spoiled.

If your tired of the money going to oyhers, and to finance a war, then get together and vote. Get off your complacent asses and vote! TOGETHER, not for upteen different people!

Everything isnt going to change at once. There isn't going to be one perfect miracle candidate, but there will be a bunch of same-ole-same-ole, corporate sell-outs like Hillary, and Guiliani.

"I guarantee that if we keep voting for the corporate candidates, things wont change!"

Someone needs to tell Ron Paul that the free-worlds economy is not a personal financial portfolio! People, (lifetime financial gurus) can work their lifetime and never get a chance to manage, or be appointed to serve on the Federal Reserve!drinker

Totage's photo
Thu 12/13/07 07:29 PM
I'm not talking about no taxes, of course we need taxes.

I'm saying why should we pay a debt the government owes, when congress could print money intrest free?

Why be controlled by corporations when we hold the power ourselves?

Why let these private companies put us into slavery?

We have the power to take over America and let our voice be heard, why let these corporations destroy OUR country?

These PRIVATE COMPANIES are trying to enslave and destroy the middle class, which is the true majority, therefore should truely have the pwoer and control of this country.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Thu 12/13/07 08:28 PM

Thanks for bringing this up.

Woodrow Wilson quote after signing the federal reserve into law.

A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men ... [W]e have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.


Very interesting. Theres a movie which describes such quote

Yes i would post a Movie that shows alot on this however i discredit them for providing such inaccurate information about the bible..

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Thu 12/13/07 08:28 PM
Edited by KalamazooGuy87 on Thu 12/13/07 08:33 PM
Thu 12/13/07 07:29 PM
I'm not talking about no taxes, of course we need taxes.

I'm saying why should we pay a debt the government owes, when congress could print money intrest free?

Why be controlled by corporations when we hold the power ourselves?

Why let these private companies put us into slavery?

We have the power to take over America and let our voice be heard, why let these corporations destroy OUR country?

These PRIVATE COMPANIES are trying to enslave and destroy the middle class, which is the true majority, therefore should truely have the pwoer and control of this country
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The love of money is the root of all evil, i understand you point entirely and i agree, Federal Reserve is a horrible company and needs to be put in check

WE need to disregard such negativly comming from this post, as though you guys work for such a corporation. Do the research as i have =)

Totage's photo
Thu 12/13/07 08:35 PM
Exactly, Kalamazoo, that's what I'm saying.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Thu 12/13/07 09:15 PM
keep posting my brother, you are heading in the right track

Totage's photo
Thu 12/13/07 10:13 PM
Thanks Kalamazoo

More people need to educate themselves on these issues, and care more about the future of America and the world. We need to take action.

I think if more people knew what was really going on, we would make some changes.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Thu 12/13/07 10:32 PM
WE want to assume that the world is a Good place to be in right now. We want to hide in our town and assume it will never affect us, at least as long as we are living. Humans are rather self-fish in this generation. I dont think it will get better, afterall, Look at how the supply of water is dropping and the crisis it is in. Becasue people refuse to limit water consumption on baths and watering lawns, humans are very self centered at times.

Fanta46's photo
Fri 12/14/07 09:35 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 12/14/07 09:45 AM

I'm not talking about no taxes, of course we need taxes.

I'm saying why should we pay a debt the government owes, (A.- We are the government!)

when congress could print money interest free? (A.- Not true! Too much to explain, but its just not true.drinker )

Why be controlled by corporations when we hold the power ourselves?
***A.- Ah ha, now we are getting there. "Complacency" too many years of it. The Politician's votes are sold, by way of Lobbyist. Corrupt politicians selling out for political donations and favors. Done under peoples noses, because it had yet to really affect them personally!

Its not new, but as long as it did not effect peoples day to day life, and because the politicians required to enact the laws and legislation needed to change the practice of lobbying, are the very ones who benefit from the practice, it has went on, and on!

Still, the system isn't broke, its just bent!
Still its the best system in the world!
To eliminate it and start over before fixing the government, is opening a hole for the very things paranoia brings to a minority of peoples imaginations now! IMOdrinker

Why let these private companies put us into slavery?

A.- DONT,,,VOTE FOR JOHN EDWARDS!

He has a plan, and has put it in writing! No doubts later on about what he said, he has put it in writing! 70 pages or so made free to the public! He promises to work through the power of the people, to give us back our government! In writing........drinker drinker

We have the power to take over America and let our voice be heard, why let these corporations destroy OUR country?

A.- John Edwards has spent a lifetime of fighting corporations for "the people."
laugh laugh
He sued them..laugh laugh

These PRIVATE COMPANIES are trying to enslave and destroy the middle class, which is the true majority, therefore should truely have the pwoer and control of this country.


John Edwards for President!!drinker drinker

Totage's photo
Fri 12/14/07 07:12 PM
No we need someone like Ron Paul, but he won't be elected, because he is what WE need, not what THEY want.

Fanta46's photo
Fri 12/14/07 09:23 PM
Ron paul is unelectable, because people dont like what he stands for. Hes too extreme and would destroy America in a shorter time than even Hillary!

Do you even no what he stands for?
Other than wanting to dismantle the Federal reserve!laugh laugh laugh laugh

Fanta46's photo
Fri 12/14/07 09:29 PM
Its not a conspiracy, Ron Paul wont be elected because less than 2% of Americans want him as President!

He wants to dismantle the government peice-meal. Hes against abortions, stem cell research, and wants to do away with the department of education.

Thats why he wont get elected!drinker

Totage's photo
Fri 12/14/07 09:30 PM
Edited by Totage on Fri 12/14/07 09:33 PM

Ron paul is unelectable, because people dont like what he stands for. Hes too extreme and would destroy America in a shorter time than even Hillary!

Do you even no what he stands for?
Other than wanting to dismantle the Federal reserve!laugh laugh laugh laugh


Actually I do know what he stands for. He stands for us, the American people. He won't be elected because people have been brainwashed into thinking that he is "extreme" and "will harm America".



Congressman Ron Paul is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation’s capital. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Dr. Paul tirelessly works for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. He is known among his congressional colleagues and his constituents for his consistent voting record. Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution.In the words of former Treasury Secretary William Simon, Dr. Paul is the “one exception to the Gang of 535” on Capitol Hill.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about/

Fanta46's photo
Fri 12/14/07 09:33 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 12/14/07 09:33 PM
Oh please!!!noway

Hes unrealistic!

Im done here! Lets watch how many votes he gets!!drinker

Totage's photo
Fri 12/14/07 09:35 PM
He wont get many votes because people have been brainwashed to beleive that the truth is "extreme" and "harmful to America".

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Fri 12/14/07 09:37 PM
Well i am a ron Paul fan .i saw him on a show and i liked his ideas.i cant see how someone who was that extreme could get the grassroots support he gets.
i also like john edwards...

i'm just torn between two good canidates in my opinion.
oh and i have no opinion on the Fed cause i know diddly about economics except i know i'm poor.:wink:

Fanta46's photo
Fri 12/14/07 09:57 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 12/14/07 09:59 PM
Lets say, just for funnin,
that JE becomes president.
Three years from now if he hasnt done one thing he promises, (politician norm), at least there wont be a question, a denial!

We could just pull out his policy pamplets and say, "But JE, on page 7; paragraph 6!"

laugh laugh laugh