Topic: why fascism has always been a leftist movement
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Sun 07/15/18 03:03 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sun 07/15/18 03:04 PM
Tunnels are "unrealistic"?


Be sure to keep that a secret from coal miners..

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Sun 07/15/18 03:09 PM
Let's make it simple.

If your son has just been murdered, and your daughter has been gang raped in order to prepare her to work as a prostitute, and you have a shovel...

Do you really think some silly wall is going to stop you?

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Sun 07/15/18 03:15 PM

Tunnels are "unrealistic"?


Be sure to keep that a secret from coal miners..


We are not talking about coal miners .
You are referring to illegal aliens trying to come into America illegally by digging a tunnel.
Yeah , it may work for some , but on a grand scale completely unrealistic.

I'm perplexed that you find this situation to be humorous.
Because there is nothing funny about it whatsoever.


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Sun 07/15/18 03:23 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sun 07/15/18 03:25 PM
No what's not funny is, a so-called president wailing against immigrants in public, while secretly behind the scenes filing the paperwork for 150 "undocumented workers" to work in his Florida hotel.

Think he hypocrites much?

What's not funny, it's tomatoes selling for eight dollars a pound. What's not funny is lettuce going for $12 a head. What's not funny is green beans or $15 a pound. What's not funny is the cost of hotel rooms being raised by 150%.

Undocumented workers are fact of life. Just like the IRS. If you came up with a magical way of fitting everyone's taxes on a postcard, think about the infrastructure you would wreck. Every accountancy firm, every CPA, not to mention the employees of H&R Block, Jackson Hewitt, and all their support staff (janitors, secretaries,) overnight would be unemployed. Not to mention every single IRS office in the country, with all their agents and auditors.

It's the same thing with undocumented workers. They are so embedded into the fabric of our society that to try to remove them at this point, would be to cripple the country.

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Sun 07/15/18 03:27 PM

Let's make it simple.

If your son has just been murdered, and your daughter has been gang raped in order to prepare her to work as a prostitute, and you have a shovel...

Do you really think some silly wall is going to stop you?


Instead of poking holes in other peoples plans to stop ILLEGAL ALIENS from entering our country.

Why don't you just enlighten us simpletons.. with your plan.

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Sun 07/15/18 03:34 PM

No what's not funny is, a so-called president wailing against immigrants in public, while secretly behind the scenes filing the paperwork for 150 "undocumented workers" to work in his Florida hotel.

Think he hypocrites much?

What's not funny, it's tomatoes selling for eight dollars a pound. What's not funny is lettuce going for $12 a head. What's not funny is green beans or $15 a pound. What's not funny is the cost of hotel rooms being raised by 150%.

Undocumented workers are fact of life. Just like the IRS. If you came up with a magical way of fitting everyone's taxes on a postcard, think about the infrastructure you would wreck. Every accountancy firm, every CPA, not to mention the employees of H&R Block, Jackson Hewitt, and all their support staff (janitors, secretaries,) overnight would be unemployed. Not to mention every single IRS office in the country, with all their agents and auditors.

It's the same thing with undocumented workers. They are so embedded into the fabric of our society that to try to remove them at this point, would be to cripple the country.


Once again 100% unrealistic.
The sky isn't falling now or ever.

What immigrants???
You mean ILLEGAL ALIENS right?

Let's start using the proper terminology.

Thanks.


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Sun 07/15/18 03:52 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sun 07/15/18 04:02 PM


Let's make it simple.

If your son has just been murdered, and your daughter has been gang raped in order to prepare her to work as a prostitute, and you have a shovel...

Do you really think some silly wall is going to stop you?


Instead of poking holes in other peoples plans to stop ILLEGAL ALIENS from entering our country.

Why don't you just enlighten us simpletons.. with your plan.


Ok..

Try reading the tablets Lady Liberty is holding.

All problems solved. shades



No what's not funny is, a so-called president wailing against immigrants in public, while secretly behind the scenes filing the paperwork for 150 "undocumented workers" to work in his Florida hotel.

Think he hypocrites much?

What's not funny, it's tomatoes selling for eight dollars a pound. What's not funny is lettuce going for $12 a head. What's not funny is green beans or $15 a pound. What's not funny is the cost of hotel rooms being raised by 150%.

Undocumented workers are fact of life. Just like the IRS. If you came up with a magical way of fitting everyone's taxes on a postcard, think about the infrastructure you would wreck. Every accountancy firm, every CPA, not to mention the employees of H&R Block, Jackson Hewitt, and all their support staff (janitors, secretaries,) overnight would be unemployed. Not to mention every single IRS office in the country, with all their agents and auditors.

It's the same thing with undocumented workers. They are so embedded into the fabric of our society that to try to remove them at this point, would be to cripple the country.


Once again 100% unrealistic.
The sky isn't falling now or ever.

What immigrants???
You mean ILLEGAL ALIENS right?

Let's start using the proper terminology.

Thanks.




Ya think?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/#5ece1d4c404a

The Law Of Unintended Consequences: Georgia's Immigration Law Backfires

To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables. (Nothing like a little slave labor to solve your problems.. Except a lot of them thar slaves be white boys.. Call it karma.)


The labor shortages, which also have affected the hotel and restaurant industries, are a consequence of Georgia’s immigration enforcement law, HB 87, which was passed last year. As State Rep. Matt Ramsey, one of the bill’s authors, said at the time, “Our goal is … to eliminate incentives for illegal aliens to cross into our state.”

Now he and others are learning: Be careful what you wish for, because you may get more than you bargained for.

Georgia’s law, similar to those in Alabama, Arizona and a few other states, gives police the authority to demand immigration documentation from suspects when they detain them for other possible violations. The law also makes it more difficult for businesses to hire workers and creates harsher punishments for those who employ or harbor illegal immigrants.

The Pew Hispanic Center estimated that some 425,000 illegal immigrants lived in Georgia when the legislation was passed – seventh highest in the nation. Those numbers are now down, as hoped for, but the state’s economy is paying a heavy price.

The dirty secret that everybody knew was that most of the state’s agricultural workers were immigrants, many of them illegal. Some lived in the state; others migrated with the harvest from southern Florida up to New York and back. Some of the former have moved away, while many of the latter are bypassing Georgia. Without them, according to a University of Georgia study, farmers were about 40 percent short of the number of workers they needed to harvest last year’s crop.

Despite high unemployment in the state, most Georgians don’t want such back-breaking jobs, nor do they have the necessary skills. According to Dick Minor, president of the Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Grower’s Association, immigrants “are pretty much professional harvesters” with many specializing in particular crops.

Workers are paid by volume, with skilled workers typically earning $15 to $20 an hour. Unskilled workers earn much less, which is why most locals don’t want the jobs.

Georgia’s experience is consistent with economic research on immigration. Although many Americans believe immigrants “steal” our jobs and push down our wages, economists find little evidence of that.

Since 1950 the U.S. labor force has roughly doubled in size, but there has been no long-run increase in unemployment. Most economic studies also find little evidence that increased immigration depresses the wages of U.S. workers. At worst, it might push down the wages of high school dropouts, but even there the effect is small.

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Sun 07/15/18 04:05 PM
And where exactly on Lady Liberty does it state that it is fine to illegally enter our country totally bypassing our vetting (i.e Ellis Island, at that time) process

where?????????????????

I grew up near quarantine station used to quarantine new arrivals to determine their medical health and to MAKE SURE they are not carrying a disease that can spread to the public.

But screw that to.. right Viper?.. just let them flood across anytime they want.

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Sun 07/15/18 04:15 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sun 07/15/18 04:29 PM
I could care less. My church has a garden, and the congregation always has full access to it. It's the Republicant wives that are going to feel the pinch at the grocery store.




And where exactly on Lady Liberty does it state that it is fine to illegally enter our country totally bypassing our vetting (i.e Ellis Island, at that time) process

where?????????????????

I grew up near quarantine station used to quarantine new arrivals to determine their medical health and to MAKE SURE they are not carrying a disease that can spread to the public.

But screw that to.. right Viper?.. just let them flood across anytime they want.


"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”


Where does it say "Only with the proper paperwork?

I still say we should just ship it back to France and call it a day. This country doesn't deserve her anymore. We no longer live by her principles.

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Sun 07/15/18 04:31 PM
What's not funny, it's tomatoes selling for eight dollars a pound. What's not funny is lettuce going for $12 a head. What's not funny is green beans or $15 a pound. What's not funny is the cost of hotel rooms being raised by 150%.

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And you get these prices per pound.. from where

So, you could care less about ILLEGAL ALIENS as people. You just don't want to pay more for your vegetables.... Lol............

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Sun 07/15/18 04:34 PM
No, Brain Trust, What I care about, is an entire section of the country's infrastructure collapsing. Or did you not read the Forbes article?

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Sun 07/15/18 04:47 PM
Liberals eat pudding cups instead of fresh fruits and veggies. They don't have to worry about the sky falling. Trump supporters will be ok. We have our own gardens/farms.

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Sun 07/15/18 04:49 PM
Edited by Viper1j on Sun 07/15/18 04:49 PM
And you'll employ slave labor to maintain them.

Why not just preheat the ovens?

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Sun 07/15/18 04:51 PM

No, Brain Trust, What I care about, is an entire section of the country's infrastructure collapsing. Or did you not read the Forbes article?



I see, well I am sure your nuclear bomb shelter in your back yard is now filled with Birds- Eye frozen vegetables.. so you are ready for the vegetable collapse




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Sun 07/15/18 04:54 PM


No, Brain Trust, What I care about, is an entire section of the country's infrastructure collapsing. Or did you not read the Forbes article?



I see, well I am sure your nuclear bomb shelter in your back yard is now filled with Birds- Eye frozen vegetables.. so you are ready for the vegetable collapse


No, like your Lord and Savior, I make enough so that I won't even notice. But unlike Donnie, I actually care about the others around me.

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Sun 07/15/18 04:56 PM

I could care less. My church has a garden, and the congregation always has full access to it. It's the Republicant wives that are going to feel the pinch at the grocery store.




And where exactly on Lady Liberty does it state that it is fine to illegally enter our country totally bypassing our vetting (i.e Ellis Island, at that time) process

where?????????????????

I grew up near quarantine station used to quarantine new arrivals to determine their medical health and to MAKE SURE they are not carrying a disease that can spread to the public.

But screw that to.. right Viper?.. just let them flood across anytime they want.


"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”


Where does it say "Only with the proper paperwork?

I still say we should just ship it back to France and call it a day. This country doesn't deserve her anymore. We no longer live by her principles.


"She" isnt a real person , just a statue and you are taking things out of context in an extreme manner.

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Sun 07/15/18 05:07 PM
Do you need to see a picture to convince you of what's there?

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Sun 07/15/18 05:58 PM
Carl :hugging:

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Sun 07/15/18 07:04 PM


The statue of liberty French made I believe and there you go..we should give it back to them so they can change the saying.. or maybe they could just make us a big Yosemite Sam with pistols drawn that says "Get the Hell Out...smile2...rofl

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Sun 07/15/18 09:51 PM

Be alarmed when a leader tries to make you think of humans as vermin

The other day, our President expressed a remarkable opinion. Democrats "want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13," he tweeted, referring to the international gang.

"Infest." Now that's an interesting word, and there are at least two groups of people who are particularly well positioned to appreciate its choice.

The first group is neuroscientists who study a part of the brain called the insula. In most mammals, the insula does something mundane but important: If an animal bites into or smells a piece of food that is spoiled, the insula rapidly activates, triggering reflexes such as spitting the food out, curling the upper lip against the nose, maybe even vomiting.

This is mighty useful in terms of preventing ingesting toxins. Things work the same way in humans; stick a doughty volunteer in a brain imager, give them something fetid to bite into or smell, and the insula immediately activates. And as a measure of our cognitive sophistication, we humans can even activate the insula when thinking about eating something repulsive.
But now, study something more interesting than rancid food. Show someone a picture of a lynching, of bodies piled high in a concentration camp, of Klansmen marching; make someone reflect on something awful they once did; stab them in the back with a betrayal. There's a good chance that the insula will activate as well.
At some time, tens of thousands of years ago, humans evolved the notion that norms of right and wrong behaviors could be systematized into moral systems. And in the process, evolution tinkered and improvised, expanding the portfolio of the ancient insula such that in humans, it not only mediates gustatory and olfactory disgust, but moral disgust as well.
It's why something sufficiently morally disturbing can make us feel sick to our stomach, want to throw up, or be left with a bad taste in our mouths.
This can be great, in that the insula's involvement helps build up the visceral head of steam that can be needed to right a deep moral wrong. But this versatility of the insula carries a danger: The temptation to use moral disgust as a litmus test.

How do you decide if the way someone eats, prays or loves is wrong? Just ask whether it makes you feel disgusted. If it makes you puke, then you must rebuke. The problem, of course, is that moral disgust is a moving target, and one person's moral disgust is another's normal, loving lifestyle. Moreover, visceral disgust is a great stepping stone for more abstract disgust; once you decide that someone eats disgusting things, it's just a hop, skip and a jump to deciding they think and feel disgusting things as well.

We all differ as to the workings of the insula, and this helps explain more than just why only some people would think the milk tastes a little bit off. As a fascinating finding, social conservatives tend toward lower thresholds for disgust than liberals.

They're more likely to be unsettled by wearing someone else's (clean) clothes, sitting on a chair still warm from a previous occupant, or thinking of someone spitting into a glass of water and then drinking it; show them a disgusting picture (e.g., a wound teeming with maggots) and their autonomic nervous systems tend to lurch more than a liberal's would (and as an important control, this lower threshold is not found among economic or geopolitical conservatives).

Perhaps, most importantly, you can manipulate people's moral judgments by exploiting the insula. Prime subjects to think of the United States as a living entity (discuss, for instance, how the United States underwent a "growth spurt" after the Civil War), and then have them read about scary new infectious diseases, and they express more negative views about immigrants.

Stick heterosexual subjects in a room with some smelly garbage, and they express more negative views about gay men. Upon smelling something subliminally vile, the insula confuses tasks and searches for something in your social world to stick with a "that's disgusting" label. It's not so much that old canard that a conservative "is a liberal who has been mugged." A temporary conservative can be a liberal who has been smelling rotting fish.

Scholars of insula neurobiology would likely give special attention to the President's imagery of immigrants "infesting" our land. But more importantly, another group would have a special appreciation of this as well.

When the Nazis urged on their populace toward the final solution, their propaganda was of Jews as rats, the Holocaust as extermination of the disgusting vermin in Germany's basement. For contemporary European white supremacists, it's the image of Islam as a malignancy. For Southern slavers, it was Africans as subhumans. And when the Hutus of Rwanda triggered the 1994 genocide that killed 75% of the Tutsi tribe in under 100 days, their propaganda endlessly shrieked about the Tutsis as cockroaches.

Every effective genocidal propagandist intuitively knows about the insula -- get things to the point where invoking "Them" activates the insula in your followers and you'll have people goose-stepping in no time.

Thus, Trump's tweet prompts not just neurobiological musings, but a historical one as well. He may not intend to create an association between immigrants and disgust but, psychologically, his rhetoric does not inspire compassion or unity -- American values.
So, constituents, be very alarmed when a leader tries to make you think of other humans as vermin. It's enough to make you sick to your stomach.


Well Mr.Viper, you should be giving Dr. Sapolsky credit for that article you copied and pasted.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/opinions/infest-insula-disgust-opinion-sapolsky/index.html


I don't agree with Dr.Sapolsky’s commentary as he is just giving us a chorus of “ I hate Trump and what he stands for” and tries to pass it off as an expert on Trump’s policies, much like Professor Chomsky and his political views.

Comparing what Trump said to what Hitler and the Nazi’s did, what the Klan did, the Hutus of Rwanda did is not only intellectually dishonest but it shows he really suffers from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome).

The fact that Dr.Sapolsky mentions Trump’s tweet prompts Neurobiological and Historical musings validates his contempt for Trump.

Perhaps Dr.Solpolsky should stick to what he knows best vs commenting on something he clearly has no understanding of.

As in for the OP Mightymoe post and thread about Fascism is left wing, I agree and he left out that a faction of the Fascist movement is also violent.

I’m always amazed when Leftist say that Fascism is “right wing”, anyone with more than a single digit IQ knows that fascism believes in Collectivism and the common good vs Right wing ideology that believes in liberty and individualism.