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Both hitler and stalin were selected and trained and did what they were told to do by their financiers in america and europe. They were willing pawns in the machinations of higher powers who allowed and encouraged them to do their worst. Follow the money/gold. It still goes on. Every land clearing border changing war or skirmish or terrorist act benefits the financiers no matter who wins or loses; only the rest of the world loses. Just the same as in casinos, the house always wins no matter who else wins and loses. The owner of the games, or the theatre of war, always wins. So a film maker upsets some people with their findings and analysis; another film maker will upset some other people with different findings and analysis. Forget the pawns, get angry with the knights and kings and queens. Follow the money/gold. |
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JasonKM,
Except that Stone is trying to sell his film, he isn't bringing any thing new to the table. Many Scholars and historians have written about Hitler, including his personal chef and driver. Neo Nazis and Hitler supporters have written about Hitler showing him a good light Anti Nazis have written about Hitler showing him in a bad light Hitler biographers and documentary film makers have written about him trying to be neutral And then we have Hitlers own words. Jewish media or not, facts are facts and why he committed those atrocities has been discussed, dissected by minds way smarter than Oliver Stone. |
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JasonKM, Except that Stone is trying to sell his film, he isn't bringing any thing new to the table. Many Scholars and historians have written about Hitler, including his personal chef and driver. Neo Nazis and Hitler supporters have written about Hitler showing him a good light Anti Nazis have written about Hitler showing him in a bad light Hitler biographers and documentary film makers have written about him trying to be neutral And then we have Hitlers own words. Jewish media or not, facts are facts and why he committed those atrocities has been discussed, dissected by minds way smarter than Oliver Stone. |
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Having visited auschwitz recently (auschwitz and the jews thread ) it was a terrible machine the nazis built to dispose of the jews. Both Europe and the usa plus many other commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia etc suffered losses in there millions. These are very well documented in the west. As you say lp Russia lost some 25 million people and we don't seem to recognise this! I'm often ashamed when I see the Russians commemorate there losses and no western leaders attend. What ever Russia is now (partly made by us ) it is the past that we should remember regardless! Yes, the jews have a very strong voice. Now is this more seen because they care? And is the Russian voice on this matter not listened to because we don't like them now? Not sure. Many American and British died in the north Atlantic getting essential supplies to Russia. Not so long ago they were recognised by Russia with medals, we had snubbed them for years! As for film makers, well many have an agenda of there own. Good post 
Stalin was just as evil and twisted as Hitler. We made a deal with the Devil when we aligned ourselves with Russia. Definitely but the war could have dragged on for years more and possibly a different outcome if Hitler hadn't tried to fight both fronts! At the end Churchill did warn Roosevelt about the Russians, I think supplying them was the lesser of the two evils at the time! There were a few things that would have changed the outcome of the war. First Hitler should have waited the extra four to five years until Germany was fully armed. Second he should never have attacked Russia. That made the Germans fight on so many different fronts. Plus if they would have waited until after winter to attack the probable would have been successful against Russia. Stalin thought his Government was going to collapse to the Germans and ordered every Russian Citizen to fight with what ever they could find, if they didn't they were to be killed for cowardice. Also he should have listened to his Generals and top officers instead of playing them off one another. 1. He had England on its kness, another month or so he would have taken England...he should have finished off England before betraying Russia... 2. He started his Russian attack in the beginning of winter...they lost supply routes from the snow and ice, and his troops were starving and unable to do much without supplies and food, because the Russians were using a "scorched earth" policy while retreating.... 3. He should have never declared war on the U.S. till he had more of Europe under his control... He figured the Japanese would keep us busy and destroy most of our naval fleet... But what he didn't understand is how fast we swithed from peace time conversion to full war conversion On our manufacturing of warships and other wartime needs... It's defined as "the battle of Britain" Yes we were close and if the luftwaffe hadn't of stopped bombing our airfields to bomb the cities at Hitlers orders that would have been it! Not sure how a land invasion would have gone, it wouldn't have been a walk in the park for them! Also, you had every industry set up as you were starting to supply us. It wasn't even our war really, we just kept to our word and tried to help the polish. then the french (who just caved in) and we were overwhelmed. Plus we had our empire to protect, but we must not forget the millions of people from our commonwealth that helped and died. also we had lost generations in ww1. As notbeold says and I've said many times, Imo, the us didn't want to get involved because of the millions being made from oil and the nazi war machine! Pearl harbour changed that! |
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JasonKM, Except that Stone is trying to sell his film, he isn't bringing any thing new to the table. Many Scholars and historians have written about Hitler, including his personal chef and driver. Neo Nazis and Hitler supporters have written about Hitler showing him a good light Anti Nazis have written about Hitler showing him in a bad light Hitler biographers and documentary film makers have written about him trying to be neutral And then we have Hitlers own words. Jewish media or not, facts are facts and why he committed those atrocities has been discussed, dissected by minds way smarter than Oliver Stone.
Jew /Israel hater! |
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Having visited auschwitz recently (auschwitz and the jews thread ) it was a terrible machine the nazis built to dispose of the jews. Both Europe and the usa plus many other commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia etc suffered losses in there millions. These are very well documented in the west. As you say lp Russia lost some 25 million people and we don't seem to recognise this! I'm often ashamed when I see the Russians commemorate there losses and no western leaders attend. What ever Russia is now (partly made by us ) it is the past that we should remember regardless! Yes, the jews have a very strong voice. Now is this more seen because they care? And is the Russian voice on this matter not listened to because we don't like them now? Not sure. Many American and British died in the north Atlantic getting essential supplies to Russia. Not so long ago they were recognised by Russia with medals, we had snubbed them for years! As for film makers, well many have an agenda of there own. Good post
Stalin was just as evil and twisted as Hitler. We made a deal with the Devil when we aligned ourselves with Russia. Definitely but the war could have dragged on for years more and possibly a different outcome if Hitler hadn't tried to fight both fronts! At the end Churchill did warn Roosevelt about the Russians, I think supplying them was the lesser of the two evils at the time! There were a few things that would have changed the outcome of the war. First Hitler should have waited the extra four to five years until Germany was fully armed. Second he should never have attacked Russia. That made the Germans fight on so many different fronts. Plus if they would have waited until after winter to attack the probable would have been successful against Russia. Stalin thought his Government was going to collapse to the Germans and ordered every Russian Citizen to fight with what ever they could find, if they didn't they were to be killed for cowardice. Also he should have listened to his Generals and top officers instead of playing them off one another. 1. He had England on its kness, another month or so he would have taken England...he should have finished off England before betraying Russia... 2. He started his Russian attack in the beginning of winter...they lost supply routes from the snow and ice, and his troops were starving and unable to do much without supplies and food, because the Russians were using a "scorched earth" policy while retreating.... 3. He should have never declared war on the U.S. till he had more of Europe under his control... He figured the Japanese would keep us busy and destroy most of our naval fleet... But what he didn't understand is how fast we swithed from peace time conversion to full war conversion On our manufacturing of warships and other wartime needs... It's defined as "the battle of Britain" Yes we were close and if the luftwaffe hadn't of stopped bombing our airfields to bomb the cities at Hitlers orders that would have been it! Not sure how a land invasion would have gone, it wouldn't have been a walk in the park for them! Also, you had every industry set up as you were starting to supply us. It wasn't even our war really, we just kept to our word and tried to help the polish. then the french (who just caved in) and we were overwhelmed. Plus we had our empire to protect, but we must not forget the millions of people from our commonwealth that helped and died. also we had lost generations in ww1. As notbeold says and I've said many times, Imo, the us didn't want to get involved because of the millions being made from oil and the nazi war machine! Pearl harbour changed that! |
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Having visited auschwitz recently (auschwitz and the jews thread ) it was a terrible machine the nazis built to dispose of the jews. Both Europe and the usa plus many other commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia etc suffered losses in there millions. These are very well documented in the west. As you say lp Russia lost some 25 million people and we don't seem to recognise this! I'm often ashamed when I see the Russians commemorate there losses and no western leaders attend. What ever Russia is now (partly made by us ) it is the past that we should remember regardless! Yes, the jews have a very strong voice. Now is this more seen because they care? And is the Russian voice on this matter not listened to because we don't like them now? Not sure. Many American and British died in the north Atlantic getting essential supplies to Russia. Not so long ago they were recognised by Russia with medals, we had snubbed them for years! As for film makers, well many have an agenda of there own. Good post
Stalin was just as evil and twisted as Hitler. We made a deal with the Devil when we aligned ourselves with Russia. Definitely but the war could have dragged on for years more and possibly a different outcome if Hitler hadn't tried to fight both fronts! At the end Churchill did warn Roosevelt about the Russians, I think supplying them was the lesser of the two evils at the time! There were a few things that would have changed the outcome of the war. First Hitler should have waited the extra four to five years until Germany was fully armed. Second he should never have attacked Russia. That made the Germans fight on so many different fronts. Plus if they would have waited until after winter to attack the probable would have been successful against Russia. Stalin thought his Government was going to collapse to the Germans and ordered every Russian Citizen to fight with what ever they could find, if they didn't they were to be killed for cowardice. Also he should have listened to his Generals and top officers instead of playing them off one another. 1. He had England on its kness, another month or so he would have taken England...he should have finished off England before betraying Russia... 2. He started his Russian attack in the beginning of winter...they lost supply routes from the snow and ice, and his troops were starving and unable to do much without supplies and food, because the Russians were using a "scorched earth" policy while retreating.... 3. He should have never declared war on the U.S. till he had more of Europe under his control... He figured the Japanese would keep us busy and destroy most of our naval fleet... But what he didn't understand is how fast we swithed from peace time conversion to full war conversion On our manufacturing of warships and other wartime needs... It's defined as "the battle of Britain" Yes we were close and if the luftwaffe hadn't of stopped bombing our airfields to bomb the cities at Hitlers orders that would have been it! Not sure how a land invasion would have gone, it wouldn't have been a walk in the park for them! Also, you had every industry set up as you were starting to supply us. It wasn't even our war really, we just kept to our word and tried to help the polish. then the french (who just caved in) and we were overwhelmed. Plus we had our empire to protect, but we must not forget the millions of people from our commonwealth that helped and died. also we had lost generations in ww1. As notbeold says and I've said many times, Imo, the us didn't want to get involved because of the millions being made from oil and the nazi war machine! Pearl harbour changed that! You are right moe, I think the main problem was timing, so soon after ww1 |
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we were going to get involved in it no matter what, its just the Japanese decided when for us...I don't think we would have let England fall tho....
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Having visited auschwitz recently (auschwitz and the jews thread ) it was a terrible machine the nazis built to dispose of the jews. Both Europe and the usa plus many other commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia etc suffered losses in there millions. These are very well documented in the west. As you say lp Russia lost some 25 million people and we don't seem to recognise this! I'm often ashamed when I see the Russians commemorate there losses and no western leaders attend. What ever Russia is now (partly made by us ) it is the past that we should remember regardless! Yes, the jews have a very strong voice. Now is this more seen because they care? And is the Russian voice on this matter not listened to because we don't like them now? Not sure. Many American and British died in the north Atlantic getting essential supplies to Russia. Not so long ago they were recognised by Russia with medals, we had snubbed them for years! As for film makers, well many have an agenda of there own. Good post
Stalin was just as evil and twisted as Hitler. We made a deal with the Devil when we aligned ourselves with Russia. Definitely but the war could have dragged on for years more and possibly a different outcome if Hitler hadn't tried to fight both fronts! At the end Churchill did warn Roosevelt about the Russians, I think supplying them was the lesser of the two evils at the time! There were a few things that would have changed the outcome of the war. First Hitler should have waited the extra four to five years until Germany was fully armed. Second he should never have attacked Russia. That made the Germans fight on so many different fronts. Plus if they would have waited until after winter to attack the probable would have been successful against Russia. Stalin thought his Government was going to collapse to the Germans and ordered every Russian Citizen to fight with what ever they could find, if they didn't they were to be killed for cowardice. Also he should have listened to his Generals and top officers instead of playing them off one another. 1. He had England on its kness, another month or so he would have taken England...he should have finished off England before betraying Russia... 2. He started his Russian attack in the beginning of winter...they lost supply routes from the snow and ice, and his troops were starving and unable to do much without supplies and food, because the Russians were using a "scorched earth" policy while retreating.... 3. He should have never declared war on the U.S. till he had more of Europe under his control... He figured the Japanese would keep us busy and destroy most of our naval fleet... But what he didn't understand is how fast we swithed from peace time conversion to full war conversion On our manufacturing of warships and other wartime needs... It's defined as "the battle of Britain" Yes we were close and if the luftwaffe hadn't of stopped bombing our airfields to bomb the cities at Hitlers orders that would have been it! Not sure how a land invasion would have gone, it wouldn't have been a walk in the park for them! Also, you had every industry set up as you were starting to supply us. It wasn't even our war really, we just kept to our word and tried to help the polish. then the french (who just caved in) and we were overwhelmed. Plus we had our empire to protect, but we must not forget the millions of people from our commonwealth that helped and died. also we had lost generations in ww1. As notbeold says and I've said many times, Imo, the us didn't want to get involved because of the millions being made from oil and the nazi war machine! Pearl harbour changed that! You are right moe, I think the main problem was timing, so soon after ww1 |
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Having visited auschwitz recently (auschwitz and the jews thread ) it was a terrible machine the nazis built to dispose of the jews. Both Europe and the usa plus many other commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia etc suffered losses in there millions. These are very well documented in the west. As you say lp Russia lost some 25 million people and we don't seem to recognise this! I'm often ashamed when I see the Russians commemorate there losses and no western leaders attend. What ever Russia is now (partly made by us ) it is the past that we should remember regardless! Yes, the jews have a very strong voice. Now is this more seen because they care? And is the Russian voice on this matter not listened to because we don't like them now? Not sure. Many American and British died in the north Atlantic getting essential supplies to Russia. Not so long ago they were recognised by Russia with medals, we had snubbed them for years! As for film makers, well many have an agenda of there own. Good post
Stalin was just as evil and twisted as Hitler. We made a deal with the Devil when we aligned ourselves with Russia. Definitely but the war could have dragged on for years more and possibly a different outcome if Hitler hadn't tried to fight both fronts! At the end Churchill did warn Roosevelt about the Russians, I think supplying them was the lesser of the two evils at the time! There were a few things that would have changed the outcome of the war. First Hitler should have waited the extra four to five years until Germany was fully armed. Second he should never have attacked Russia. That made the Germans fight on so many different fronts. Plus if they would have waited until after winter to attack the probable would have been successful against Russia. Stalin thought his Government was going to collapse to the Germans and ordered every Russian Citizen to fight with what ever they could find, if they didn't they were to be killed for cowardice. Also he should have listened to his Generals and top officers instead of playing them off one another. 1. He had England on its kness, another month or so he would have taken England...he should have finished off England before betraying Russia... 2. He started his Russian attack in the beginning of winter...they lost supply routes from the snow and ice, and his troops were starving and unable to do much without supplies and food, because the Russians were using a "scorched earth" policy while retreating.... 3. He should have never declared war on the U.S. till he had more of Europe under his control... He figured the Japanese would keep us busy and destroy most of our naval fleet... But what he didn't understand is how fast we swithed from peace time conversion to full war conversion On our manufacturing of warships and other wartime needs... It's defined as "the battle of Britain" Yes we were close and if the luftwaffe hadn't of stopped bombing our airfields to bomb the cities at Hitlers orders that would have been it! Not sure how a land invasion would have gone, it wouldn't have been a walk in the park for them! Also, you had every industry set up as you were starting to supply us. It wasn't even our war really, we just kept to our word and tried to help the polish. then the french (who just caved in) and we were overwhelmed. Plus we had our empire to protect, but we must not forget the millions of people from our commonwealth that helped and died. also we had lost generations in ww1. As notbeold says and I've said many times, Imo, the us didn't want to get involved because of the millions being made from oil and the nazi war machine! Pearl harbour changed that! You are right moe, I think the main problem was timing, so soon after ww1 Not only in 20 years but under the watchful eyes of those who were meant to be monitoring him 
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70 + years on and they are still erecting moments in France, just now on our news a small village in northern France has added a memorial to 4 English bomber pilots who crashed on there way back to England.
I must say I've been to France and Belgium many times and again in a few weeks. If nothing else, they do a none stop job in the upkeep of cemeteries and memorials of all involved. yes there is a fund but they are spotless. |
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Not only in 20 years but under the watchful eyes of those who were meant to be monitoring him
No kidding eh, Neville Chamberlain the Barrack Obama mentality of that era. makes me wonder , If Churchill was Prime Minister instead of Chamberlain would Churchill assuming he have a majority government send the Military into Germany for violating the treaty of Versailles . |
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Not only in 20 years but under the watchful eyes of those who were meant to be monitoring him
No kidding eh, Neville Chamberlain the Barrack Obama mentality of that era. makes me wonder , If Churchill was Prime Minister instead of Chamberlain would Churchill assuming he have a majority government send the Military into Germany for violating the treaty of Versailles . I think he would have! And what ever others say if the other crowd had of been in government we'd of been finished! |
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Another Jew hater lifts his head above the parapet for all the world to see.
We’ve had a few here making snide comments which are really saying, ‘I hate Jews’. They can’t help themselves. So basically he has weaponised the deaths of 25/30 million Russians to score points while at the same time letting his mask of hate slip. |
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Having visited auschwitz recently (auschwitz and the jews thread ) it was a terrible machine the nazis built to dispose of the jews. Both Europe and the usa plus many other commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia etc suffered losses in there millions. These are very well documented in the west. As you say lp Russia lost some 25 million people and we don't seem to recognise this! I'm often ashamed when I see the Russians commemorate there losses and no western leaders attend. What ever Russia is now (partly made by us ) it is the past that we should remember regardless! Yes, the jews have a very strong voice. Now is this more seen because they care? And is the Russian voice on this matter not listened to because we don't like them now? Not sure. Many American and British died in the north Atlantic getting essential supplies to Russia. Not so long ago they were recognised by Russia with medals, we had snubbed them for years! As for film makers, well many have an agenda of there own. Good post
Stalin was just as evil and twisted as Hitler. We made a deal with the Devil when we aligned ourselves with Russia. Definitely but the war could have dragged on for years more and possibly a different outcome if Hitler hadn't tried to fight both fronts! At the end Churchill did warn Roosevelt about the Russians, I think supplying them was the lesser of the two evils at the time! There were a few things that would have changed the outcome of the war. First Hitler should have waited the extra four to five years until Germany was fully armed. Second he should never have attacked Russia. That made the Germans fight on so many different fronts. Plus if they would have waited until after winter to attack the probable would have been successful against Russia. Stalin thought his Government was going to collapse to the Germans and ordered every Russian Citizen to fight with what ever they could find, if they didn't they were to be killed for cowardice. Also he should have listened to his Generals and top officers instead of playing them off one another. 1. He had England on its kness, another month or so he would have taken England...he should have finished off England before betraying Russia... 2. He started his Russian attack in the beginning of winter...they lost supply routes from the snow and ice, and his troops were starving and unable to do much without supplies and food, because the Russians were using a "scorched earth" policy while retreating.... 3. He should have never declared war on the U.S. till he had more of Europe under his control... He figured the Japanese would keep us busy and destroy most of our naval fleet... But what he didn't understand is how fast we swithed from peace time conversion to full war conversion On our manufacturing of warships and other wartime needs... The first two things you mentioned was what I was saying. Hitler was furious with the Japanese when he learned about the attack because he knew if the USA was brought into the way it would be over. He honestly thought that he could persuade the US after he concurred Europe that we would accept it. Hitler also had to declare war on the US. He had virtually no major allies left and if he screwed over the Japan after Russia then he would have lost all support form remaining allies. Japan really forced him hand. If Hitler really listened to his Generals and top advisors he could have won the war. |
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Having visited auschwitz recently (auschwitz and the jews thread ) it was a terrible machine the nazis built to dispose of the jews. Both Europe and the usa plus many other commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia etc suffered losses in there millions. These are very well documented in the west. As you say lp Russia lost some 25 million people and we don't seem to recognise this! I'm often ashamed when I see the Russians commemorate there losses and no western leaders attend. What ever Russia is now (partly made by us ) it is the past that we should remember regardless! Yes, the jews have a very strong voice. Now is this more seen because they care? And is the Russian voice on this matter not listened to because we don't like them now? Not sure. Many American and British died in the north Atlantic getting essential supplies to Russia. Not so long ago they were recognised by Russia with medals, we had snubbed them for years! As for film makers, well many have an agenda of there own. Good post
Stalin was just as evil and twisted as Hitler. We made a deal with the Devil when we aligned ourselves with Russia. Definitely but the war could have dragged on for years more and possibly a different outcome if Hitler hadn't tried to fight both fronts! At the end Churchill did warn Roosevelt about the Russians, I think supplying them was the lesser of the two evils at the time! There were a few things that would have changed the outcome of the war. First Hitler should have waited the extra four to five years until Germany was fully armed. Second he should never have attacked Russia. That made the Germans fight on so many different fronts. Plus if they would have waited until after winter to attack the probable would have been successful against Russia. Stalin thought his Government was going to collapse to the Germans and ordered every Russian Citizen to fight with what ever they could find, if they didn't they were to be killed for cowardice. Also he should have listened to his Generals and top officers instead of playing them off one another. 1. He had England on its kness, another month or so he would have taken England...he should have finished off England before betraying Russia... 2. He started his Russian attack in the beginning of winter...they lost supply routes from the snow and ice, and his troops were starving and unable to do much without supplies and food, because the Russians were using a "scorched earth" policy while retreating.... 3. He should have never declared war on the U.S. till he had more of Europe under his control... He figured the Japanese would keep us busy and destroy most of our naval fleet... But what he didn't understand is how fast we swithed from peace time conversion to full war conversion On our manufacturing of warships and other wartime needs... It's defined as "the battle of Britain" Yes we were close and if the luftwaffe hadn't of stopped bombing our airfields to bomb the cities at Hitlers orders that would have been it! Not sure how a land invasion would have gone, it wouldn't have been a walk in the park for them! Also, you had every industry set up as you were starting to supply us. It wasn't even our war really, we just kept to our word and tried to help the polish. then the french (who just caved in) and we were overwhelmed. Plus we had our empire to protect, but we must not forget the millions of people from our commonwealth that helped and died. also we had lost generations in ww1. As notbeold says and I've said many times, Imo, the us didn't want to get involved because of the millions being made from oil and the nazi war machine! Pearl harbour changed that! I really don't think that we were. Roosevelt was a coward. He did some things to help the English but not nearly enough and he knew from the beginning about the concentration camps. |
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The first two things you mentioned was what I was saying. Hitler was furious with the Japanese when he learned about the attack because he knew if the USA was brought into the way it would be over. He honestly thought that he could persuade the US after he concurred Europe that we would accept it. Hitler also had to declare war on the US. He had virtually no major allies left and if he screwed over the Japan after Russia then he would have lost all support form remaining allies. Japan really forced him hand. If Hitler really listened to his Generals and top advisors he could have won the war. Italy was on the verge of falling, Japan would be fighting two fronts one with America and the other with China. America most likely would have dropped nuclear bombs on Berlin , the world would be different today for sure. |
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Having visited auschwitz recently (auschwitz and the jews thread ) it was a terrible machine the nazis built to dispose of the jews. Both Europe and the usa plus many other commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia etc suffered losses in there millions. These are very well documented in the west. As you say lp Russia lost some 25 million people and we don't seem to recognise this! I'm often ashamed when I see the Russians commemorate there losses and no western leaders attend. What ever Russia is now (partly made by us ) it is the past that we should remember regardless! Yes, the jews have a very strong voice. Now is this more seen because they care? And is the Russian voice on this matter not listened to because we don't like them now? Not sure. Many American and British died in the north Atlantic getting essential supplies to Russia. Not so long ago they were recognised by Russia with medals, we had snubbed them for years! As for film makers, well many have an agenda of there own. Good post
Stalin was just as evil and twisted as Hitler. We made a deal with the Devil when we aligned ourselves with Russia. Definitely but the war could have dragged on for years more and possibly a different outcome if Hitler hadn't tried to fight both fronts! At the end Churchill did warn Roosevelt about the Russians, I think supplying them was the lesser of the two evils at the time! There were a few things that would have changed the outcome of the war. First Hitler should have waited the extra four to five years until Germany was fully armed. Second he should never have attacked Russia. That made the Germans fight on so many different fronts. Plus if they would have waited until after winter to attack the probable would have been successful against Russia. Stalin thought his Government was going to collapse to the Germans and ordered every Russian Citizen to fight with what ever they could find, if they didn't they were to be killed for cowardice. Also he should have listened to his Generals and top officers instead of playing them off one another. 1. He had England on its kness, another month or so he would have taken England...he should have finished off England before betraying Russia... 2. He started his Russian attack in the beginning of winter...they lost supply routes from the snow and ice, and his troops were starving and unable to do much without supplies and food, because the Russians were using a "scorched earth" policy while retreating.... 3. He should have never declared war on the U.S. till he had more of Europe under his control... He figured the Japanese would keep us busy and destroy most of our naval fleet... But what he didn't understand is how fast we swithed from peace time conversion to full war conversion On our manufacturing of warships and other wartime needs... It's defined as "the battle of Britain" Yes we were close and if the luftwaffe hadn't of stopped bombing our airfields to bomb the cities at Hitlers orders that would have been it! Not sure how a land invasion would have gone, it wouldn't have been a walk in the park for them! Also, you had every industry set up as you were starting to supply us. It wasn't even our war really, we just kept to our word and tried to help the polish. then the french (who just caved in) and we were overwhelmed. Plus we had our empire to protect, but we must not forget the millions of people from our commonwealth that helped and died. also we had lost generations in ww1. As notbeold says and I've said many times, Imo, the us didn't want to get involved because of the millions being made from oil and the nazi war machine! Pearl harbour changed that! I really don't think that we were. Roosevelt was a coward. He did some things to help the English but not nearly enough and he knew from the beginning about the concentration camps. |
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Not only in 20 years but under the watchful eyes of those who were meant to be monitoring him
No kidding eh, Neville Chamberlain the Barrack Obama mentality of that era. makes me wonder , If Churchill was Prime Minister instead of Chamberlain would Churchill assuming he have a majority government send the Military into Germany for violating the treaty of Versailles . I think he would have! And what ever others say if the other crowd had of been in government we'd of been finished! I don't think he would have. He would have needed another partner nation at the very least to go in and shut it down. Their operations were spread across the country/ They also had some of the most high tech Military Equipment. Not to mention its the job of all of the Allies who signed the treaty to send forces in to shut it down. |
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I don't think he would have. He would have needed another partner nation at the very least to go in and shut it down. Their operations were spread across the country/ They also had some of the most high tech Military Equipment. Not to mention its the job of all of the Allies who signed the treaty to send forces in to shut it down. interesting point, I didn't consider the other allies, but from what Ive read about Churchill, he was a stubborn man but also a strong and effective war time leader. do you think he would have convinced the other Treaty of Versailles signers to see it his way and invade? |
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