Topic: I need some help
jvc534's photo
Thu 11/22/07 08:38 PM
So there has been much fighting among my family lately.

I see myself as the idealist in my family yet it seems like everybody holds onto old values, older than my great grandparents. I fight to show people that times have changed but the push me aside like I am stupid?! I just don't know who else to ask, why do people continue to fight the changes in the world when changes are unavoidable?!?!

fortsmithman's photo
Thu 11/22/07 08:41 PM
Edited by fortsmithman on Thu 11/22/07 08:41 PM
First of to the thread deleters Don't delete this one
secondly this is a hard one to answer I don't know if there is one.

giocluedart's photo
Thu 11/22/07 08:43 PM
I think it's because they blame all the changes for the way the world is turning out...kids killing kids, teenage pregnancy, disease. And it's somewhat true; if people had the same values as a lot of great grandparents...I still have one of mine so I know, then there wouldn't be a lot of the problems, but change is unavoidable...it's pretty dumb to argue it, but that's what people do; they fight for what they believe is right.

DANCE47374's photo
Thu 11/22/07 08:45 PM
Change is hard for everyone. Change can be good, but change can be bad too. You never know the outcome of change so that is why people are reluctant to take a chance on the outcome. It can be a gamble that some are not willing to take.
Without knowing the specifics of what you are talking about, this is hard to answer. Good old fashioned values are great to hold onto and hard to come by. At your age you may not realize the importance of that, but you will when you get older. They are not pushing you aside because you think you are stupid, they just think you are young and do not understand what they are trying to tell you.

geektothetenth's photo
Thu 11/22/07 08:47 PM
If anyone knew the answer to that there'd be peace in Isreal, and no more genocide.

People are just set in their ways. It's comendable to try to change them but a lot of people don't want to change. They hold onto tradition with a death grip. All you can do is try, if it doesn't work then let them be miserable and just try to stay out of it. Sometimes it's unfortunate but it takes a tragedy to bring family back together, sometimes no matter what we do it never happens. All one can do is try to make them remember why they got together and became a family to begin with. Other times the family unit is just dysfunctional and broken and you need to forge your own path.

I don't know what's right for you but you shouldn't let it screw you up.

Totage's photo
Thu 11/22/07 08:48 PM
Some people are terrified of change. Change is a necessity. Try to be understanding. Try to express your views in a non-confrontional way, so that they will be more willing to listen.

geektothetenth's photo
Thu 11/22/07 08:49 PM

I think it's because they blame all the changes for the way the world is turning out...kids killing kids, teenage pregnancy, disease. And it's somewhat true; if people had the same values as a lot of great grandparents...I still have one of mine so I know, then there wouldn't be a lot of the problems, but change is unavoidable...it's pretty dumb to argue it, but that's what people do; they fight for what they believe is right.


If people had the same values as a lot of great grandparents black people would be in separate schools, drinking from separate drinking fountains. Women would be getting beaten with no recourse and no jobs other than to raise kids.

I think a lot of people look at the past with rose tinted glasses. There was a lot of bad stuff going on then, but without the amount of media coverage a lot of it was more hidden.

no photo
Thu 11/22/07 08:50 PM
Everyone likes their place of comfort. Change brings a sense of uncertainty, and questions people's long-held beliefs. Instead of arguing your points, or forcing people to change, perhaps, demonstrating your points and allowing them to evaluate and adopt what is applicable to them. We have to also respect people's differences, because they hold on to some of what they have been believing in all their lives. Of course, we are talking about people who do not see change is an exciting opportunity.

no photo
Thu 11/22/07 08:56 PM
If YOU find yourself the idealist, then FIND a PATH to YOUR point of views that will MAKE THEM, really HEAR YOU and MAYBE try to SEE ,,,really SEE your point of view to change.
WE are ALL creatures of our on habits, so as change will ALWAYS happen,. It does'nt mean WE ALL WANT to see it or feel it.

You just have to use your sklls in KNOWING THEM, to MAKE them STOP and really lesten to YOU....You can DO IT!!!! Good luck.

giocluedart's photo
Thu 11/22/07 10:53 PM
that is a very good point. Some things do have to change, but lets say the things that are actually moral...slavery and everyone having different rights is immoral.