Topic: more Kerry "idiocracy"
mightymoe's photo
Mon 05/02/16 11:37 AM

Comment: This is rich. Piece by piece the American propaganda and war machine is fall apart at the seams. Did Kerry and his band of village idiots really think they could not-so-covertly support Nusra (al-Qaeda in Syria), publicly vow to fight Nusra, then try to get away with saving their Nusrats from total obliteration by Syria/Russia/Iran/Hezbollah?!

It's quite satisfying to see the Americans hamstrung by their own propaganda. They are forced to choose between two unpalatable options: 1) admit their ongoing support for the very enemy they've professed to be at war with for over 15 years, 2) allow and even participate in the destruction of their very own proxy army of jihadi mercenaries in Syria. They should've seen it coming, but wishful thinking will get you every time.


U.S. Secretary of State is in Geneva today to renegotiate a cessation of hostilities between the Syrian government forces and the foreign-supported "rebels" in Syria. But there is something very curious going on with these negotiations. Kerry will neither talk with the Syrian government nor with the Russians. The Russian Foreign Minister is not even expected to come.

No, Kerry is negotiating with the U.S. allies Jordan and Saudi Arabia who support the same "rebels" that are opposed to the Syrian government that the U.S. itself supported all along. He now asks them to separate their proxy forces in Syria from the terrorist organization al-Qaeda/Jabhat al-Nusra.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Sunday he hoped to make progress in talks in Geneva over the next two days toward renewing a cessation of hostilities agreement throughout Syria and resuming peace talks to end the fighting.

"The hope is we can make some progress," Kerry said at the start of a meeting with Jordan's Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh shortly after arriving in Geneva.
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The Syrian army announced on Friday a "regime of calm", or lull in fighting, which applied to Damascus and some of its outskirts, and parts of northwestern coastal province Latakia. But it excluded Aleppo.

Kerry made clear that a ceasefire was needed throughout Syria and he hoped to be able to reaffirm the cessation of hostilities after talks in Geneva. He is due to meet Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir and De Mistura on Monday.

According to military spokesperson of the U.S. alliance against the Islamic State, Colonel Warren, the "rebel"-occupied parts of Aleppo city are under control of al-Qaeda:

t's primarily al-Nusra who holds Aleppo, and of course, al-Nusra is not part of the cessation of hostilities. So it's complicated.

Two UN Security Council Resolution calls on all UN members to "eradicate" al-Qaeda/al-Nusra. ALL UNSC members agreed to Resolution 2254 which:

Reiterates its call in resolution 2249 (2015) for Member States to prevent and suppress terrorist acts committed specifically by Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as Da'esh), Al-Nusra Front (ANF), and all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al Qaeda or ISIL [...] and to eradicate the safe haven they have established over significant parts of Syria, and notes that the aforementioned ceasefire will not apply to offensive or defensive actions against these individuals, groups, undertakings and entities,...

There is simply no basis for Kerry to beg for a ceasefire for "rebel" held areas of Aleppo city when his own military says that these are in the hands of al-Qaeda which the UNSC calls to eradicate. The Russian's have said that much.

So here is what Kerry is left to do: Beg the U.S. allies to move away their "Free Syrian Army" proxy groups from al-Qaeda so al-Qaeda can be eradicated by the Syrian Army and its allies.

But al-Qaeda is by now an integrated part of those Saudi/Qatar/U.S. paid proxy forces and well accepted by those groups. It gets its weapons and ammunition from the very proxy groups the U.S. now wants to separate from it. Even if the Saudis and Jordanians assert their influence over these groups it is unlikely that the fighters on the ground will follow their directives.

The Russian air force is ready to renew its bombing campaign against all opposition forces in Syria that do not agree to a cessation of hostilities.

No U.S. propaganda campaign can wave away al-Qaeda's presence in Syria nor the UNSC resolutions the U.S. itself agreed to. Either Kerry manages to pressure Saudi Arabia and Jordan to move their proxies away from al-Qaeda or there will be again an all out Russian campaign to eradicate them. It is unlikely that any of those proxies would survive such a campaign.

Kerry is now left to negotiate with U.S allies against al-Qaeda. He now has to argue from the same perspective as the Syrian and Russian government. This is a mess of his own making. How will he escape from it?

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 05/02/16 11:45 AM

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Mon 05/02/16 12:13 PM



laugh

mightymoe's photo
Mon 05/02/16 12:27 PM
lol at the ketchup bottle laying there...laugh laugh

Rock's photo
Mon 05/02/16 09:54 PM
Rendering aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war,
use to be a capitol offense.

It's a shame the system has been so wussified.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 05/02/16 10:17 PM

Rendering aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war,
use to be a capitol offense.

It's a shame the system has been so wussified.



i would think giving them weapons would fall into a treason category as well...

hillary, obarry and the rest of the green blooded liberals should be fried...

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Tue 05/03/16 05:46 AM
John Kerry owns stock in 94 of the oil and gas companies, he says he hates.

http://youtu.be/fzy7s5-m7hQ/
2:00- RebelNews Canada

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 05/03/16 06:49 AM

John Kerry owns stock in 94 of the oil and gas companies, he says he hates.

http://youtu.be/fzy7s5-m7hQ/
2:00- RebelNews Canada

he is what is known as a Hyper-Hypocrite!

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Tue 05/03/16 07:48 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Tue 05/03/16 07:52 AM


John Kerry owns stock in 94 of the oil and gas companies, he says he hates.

http://youtu.be/fzy7s5-m7hQ/
2:00- RebelNews Canada

he is what is known as a Hyper-Hypocrite!


He is not stupid. He just plays one on TV. laugh

And he married well spock
His wife's, ex husband's money.
Ya know.. Like Bruce Jenner to an ex Kardasian.

* Bill Clinton married his money too... But so did Abraham Lincoln & so many others * rofl


Conrad_73's photo
Tue 05/03/16 08:08 AM



John Kerry owns stock in 94 of the oil and gas companies, he says he hates.

http://youtu.be/fzy7s5-m7hQ/
2:00- RebelNews Canada

he is what is known as a Hyper-Hypocrite!


He is not stupid. He just plays one on TV. laugh

And he married well spock
His wife's, ex husband's money.
Ya know.. Like Bruce Jenner to an ex Kardasian.

* Bill Clinton married his money too... But so did Abraham Lincoln & so many others * rofl


laugh

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Tue 05/03/16 11:42 AM
The main thing I wish people would get by reading or hearing about this kind of confusing mess, is that the ME is one damn complicated place. Alliances are rarely between great friends who love each other dearly. They are usually temporary and limited arrangements.

All the nations messing around in Syria are playing the same game. trying to get this or that group to fight another one, in order to gain some sort of political advantage for their own interests.

I'm not going to take sides one way or the other about Kerry himself, or any exact attempted manipulation going on, mainly because I know enough about foreign messes like this, to know that what's in the news, is at most, only half the story.

One thing I've seen happen again and again, is that a story LIKE this is published, by either the political opposition to the "star," (in this case Kerry), or even by the "star's" own people, as a way to play the other side into doing something.

We thought we were fighting the good fight, helping rebel groups in Afghanistan during the Reagan administration. But a lot of them turned into the Taliban and Al Qaeda later.

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Tue 05/03/16 11:54 AM
Edited by ErotiDoug on Tue 05/03/16 11:59 AM

The main thing I wish people would get by reading or hearing about this kind of confusing mess, is that the ME is one damn complicated place. Alliances are rarely between great friends who love each other dearly. They are usually temporary and limited arrangements.

All the nations messing around in Syria are playing the same game. trying to get this or that group to fight another one, in order to gain some sort of political advantage for their own interests.

I'm not going to take sides one way or the other about Kerry himself, or any exact attempted manipulation going on, mainly because I know enough about foreign messes like this, to know that what's in the news, is at most, only half the story.

One thing I've seen happen again and again, is that a story LIKE this is published, by either the political opposition to the "star," (in this case Kerry), or even by the "star's" own people, as a way to play the other side into doing something.

We thought we were fighting the good fight, helping rebel groups in Afghanistan during the Reagan administration. But a lot of them turned into the Taliban and Al Qaeda later.


* Canadian-run hospital in Syria 'completely destroyed'

UOSSM-Canada, the Canadian chapter of the Union of Medical Care and Relief Organizations said on its website Friday, that the Al Marjeh Primary Health Care Centre in Aleppo was "completely destroyed" in the attack.

** UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon condemned the bombing, calling attacks such as this "inexcusable violations of humanitarian law."

In a statement, Al Kassem called the targeting of hospitals a "war crime."

* The fighting signals the collapse of a two-month ceasefire between the U.S. and Russia.


**flowerforyou I was just wondering,
** Were ARE the United States Hospitals ?

mightymoe's photo
Tue 05/03/16 11:56 AM

The main thing I wish people would get by reading or hearing about this kind of confusing mess, is that the ME is one damn complicated place. Alliances are rarely between great friends who love each other dearly. They are usually temporary and limited arrangements.

All the nations messing around in Syria are playing the same game. trying to get this or that group to fight another one, in order to gain some sort of political advantage for their own interests.

I'm not going to take sides one way or the other about Kerry himself, or any exact attempted manipulation going on, mainly because I know enough about foreign messes like this, to know that what's in the news, is at most, only half the story.

One thing I've seen happen again and again, is that a story LIKE this is published, by either the political opposition to the "star," (in this case Kerry), or even by the "star's" own people, as a way to play the other side into doing something.

We thought we were fighting the good fight, helping rebel groups in Afghanistan during the Reagan administration. But a lot of them turned into the Taliban and Al Qaeda later.


thats just repub bashing... they know who is on who's side, and then lie to about what they are doing with OTHER COUNTRIES GOVS... so lets just stick with the current times, instead your misdirection attempts going back to the 80's...

they (obarry and his ilk) want Assad out - and lie, cheat and steal to accomplish this... sarin nerve gas given to the "moderate rebels" (ISIS) to use against a democratically elected foreign leader? Giving them Money and weapons? and then saying they aren't?


defend your liberal scum all you want, but lots of people are learning the truth about your liberal friends you defend so often...

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 05/03/16 12:03 PM

hillary, obarry and the rest of the green blooded liberals should be fried...


Where would you get a large-enough skillet?

mightymoe's photo
Tue 05/03/16 12:17 PM


hillary, obarry and the rest of the green blooded liberals should be fried...


Where would you get a large-enough skillet?


remember, everything is bigger in Texas...

Texas steak on a New York grill..

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Tue 05/03/16 12:26 PM


The main thing I wish people would get by reading or hearing about this kind of confusing mess, is that the ME is one damn complicated place. Alliances are rarely between great friends who love each other dearly. They are usually temporary and limited arrangements.

All the nations messing around in Syria are playing the same game. trying to get this or that group to fight another one, in order to gain some sort of political advantage for their own interests.

I'm not going to take sides one way or the other about Kerry himself, or any exact attempted manipulation going on, mainly because I know enough about foreign messes like this, to know that what's in the news, is at most, only half the story.

One thing I've seen happen again and again, is that a story LIKE this is published, by either the political opposition to the "star," (in this case Kerry), or even by the "star's" own people, as a way to play the other side into doing something.

We thought we were fighting the good fight, helping rebel groups in Afghanistan during the Reagan administration. But a lot of them turned into the Taliban and Al Qaeda later.


thats just repub bashing... they know who is on who's side, and then lie to about what they are doing with OTHER COUNTRIES GOVS... so lets just stick with the current times, instead your misdirection attempts going back to the 80's...

they (obarry and his ilk) want Assad out - and lie, cheat and steal to accomplish this... sarin nerve gas given to the "moderate rebels" (ISIS) to use against a democratically elected foreign leader? Giving them Money and weapons? and then saying they aren't?


defend your liberal scum all you want, but lots of people are learning the truth about your liberal friends you defend so often...


Read what I said, instead of guessing about it. I AM referring to right now.

If you want to insist on believing that you have 100% of the truth of whats going on in the ME, by reading the little bit of the published news, go ahead.

If you don't want to learn anything from the mistakes of the past, that's up to you.


Dodo_David's photo
Tue 05/03/16 12:28 PM



hillary, obarry and the rest of the green blooded liberals should be fried...

Where would you get a large-enough skillet?

remember, everything is bigger in Texas...

D'OH! slaphead Why didn't I think of that?

Moe, you and I might disagree on things, but you are still OK with me. drinker

mightymoe's photo
Tue 05/03/16 12:40 PM



The main thing I wish people would get by reading or hearing about this kind of confusing mess, is that the ME is one damn complicated place. Alliances are rarely between great friends who love each other dearly. They are usually temporary and limited arrangements.

All the nations messing around in Syria are playing the same game. trying to get this or that group to fight another one, in order to gain some sort of political advantage for their own interests.

I'm not going to take sides one way or the other about Kerry himself, or any exact attempted manipulation going on, mainly because I know enough about foreign messes like this, to know that what's in the news, is at most, only half the story.

One thing I've seen happen again and again, is that a story LIKE this is published, by either the political opposition to the "star," (in this case Kerry), or even by the "star's" own people, as a way to play the other side into doing something.

We thought we were fighting the good fight, helping rebel groups in Afghanistan during the Reagan administration. But a lot of them turned into the Taliban and Al Qaeda later.


thats just repub bashing... they know who is on who's side, and then lie to about what they are doing with OTHER COUNTRIES GOVS... so lets just stick with the current times, instead your misdirection attempts going back to the 80's...

they (obarry and his ilk) want Assad out - and lie, cheat and steal to accomplish this... sarin nerve gas given to the "moderate rebels" (ISIS) to use against a democratically elected foreign leader? Giving them Money and weapons? and then saying they aren't?


defend your liberal scum all you want, but lots of people are learning the truth about your liberal friends you defend so often...


Read what I said, instead of guessing about it. I AM referring to right now.

If you want to insist on believing that you have 100% of the truth of whats going on in the ME, by reading the little bit of the published news, go ahead.

If you don't want to learn anything from the mistakes of the past, that's up to you.


whatever, Reagan's been dead for a while now... the history is just a diversionary tactic you like to employ when you don't like what someone is saying...

"all the nations around Syria is playing the same game" ... and who leads this "coalition"? right now, this moment in time, the US liberals do (maybe even the weapons manufacturers, which are still paying the libs)... so is Reagan to blame here?