Topic: Sanders Gaining Ground On Clinton
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Sat 01/16/16 05:40 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sat 01/16/16 06:07 AM

Hitlery is, how did she put it...."one of you" (keep in mind she made $18M last year....) like a pedophile makes a great babysitter!

Bernie of course is the typical liberal socialist. Promise ($18TRILLION) in free stuff without revealing the price tag or how it will be "paid for"....or even be possible!

Education must really suck these days if the age bracket he appeals to (teens and college age voters and women 23-40) can't figure out the history and economics of his promises

If people had brains there would be no demoncrapic candidate this election from these choices!

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Sat 01/16/16 06:46 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Sat 01/16/16 06:49 AM
We have old candidates this Presidential election.

Bernie Sanders , if he elected would be the Oldest President In U.S. History. He will be 75.2 Hilary will be 69.2 on election day. Trump. & Carson , 65.

A chart of every president by his age when first elected to office

http://time.com/3842314/bernie-sanders-age-chart/


IMO- We really should be looking at WHO would be president should the next president expire. spock


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Sat 01/16/16 01:15 PM

We have old candidates this Presidential election.

Bernie Sanders , if he elected would be the Oldest President In U.S. History. He will be 75.2 Hilary will be 69.2 on election day. Trump. & Carson , 65.

A chart of every president by his age when first elected to office

http://time.com/3842314/bernie-sanders-age-chart/


IMO- We really should be looking at WHO would be president should the next president expire. spock


Dark Suspense Music Instrumental (Dramatic Music)http://youtu.be/EQoVrFe1GZ8/










Yeah, were safe with Donald Trump. He is immortal, his ego wont let him die... laugh

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Sun 01/17/16 03:16 AM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/us/politics/hillary-clinton-regrets-not-attacking-bernie-sanders-earlier-her-allies-say.html?_r=0

Clinton Campaign Underestimated Sanders Strengths, Allies Say


By PATRICK HEALY
January 16, 2016

Advisers to Hillary Clinton, including former President Bill Clinton, believe that her campaign made serious miscalculations by forgoing early attacks on Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont and failing to undercut his archliberal message before it grew into a political movement that has now put him within striking distance of beating her in Iowa and New Hampshire.

According to Democrats close to the Clintons and involved with her campaign, Mrs. Clinton and the former president are also unnerved by the possibility that Mr. Sanders will foment a large wave of first-time voters and liberals that will derail her in Iowa, not unlike Barack Obama’s success in 2008, which consigned Mrs. Clinton to a third-place finish. They have asked her advisers about the strength of the campaign’s data modeling and turnout assumptions in Iowa, given that her 2008 campaign’s predictions were so inaccurate.

As the Democratic rivals prepare for what is likely to be a contentious televised debate on Sunday night, the Clintons are particularly concerned that her “rational message,” in the words of an aide, is not a fit with a restless Democratic primary electorate. Allies and advisers of the Clintons say Mr. Sanders is clearly connecting with voters through his emotional, inspiring rallying cry that the American economic and political systems are rigged for the wealthy and powerful. By contrast, Mrs. Clinton has laid out an ambitious policy agenda, but more recently has been stressing her electability and questioning the costs of Mr. Sanders’s ideas.

Most Clinton advisers and allies would speak only on the condition of anonymity to candidly assess her vulnerabilities and the Clintons’ outlook on the race. This article is based on interviews with 11 people — campaign advisers, outside allies, friends and donors — who have spoken to the Clintons about the race.

“Hillary is a pragmatic progressive — she’s not an advocate,” said Gov. Peter Shumlin of Vermont, who last week campaigned in Iowa for Mrs. Clinton over his home-state senator Mr. Sanders. “She quietly pulls people together and gets things done. Even though that’s not in vogue right now, I think that’s what voters will want in the end.”

But Mrs. Clinton’s problems are broader than just her message: Opinion polls show that some Democrats and other voters continue to question her trustworthiness and whether she cares about their problems. Recent polls show that her once-formidable lead over Mr. Sanders in Iowa has all but vanished, while he is holding on to a slight lead over her in New Hampshire.

Mrs. Clinton and her team say they always anticipated the race would tighten, with campaign manager Robby Mook telling colleagues last spring that Mr. Sanders would be tough competition. Yet they were not prepared for Mr. Sanders to become so popular with young people and independents, especially women, whom Mrs. Clinton views as a key part of her base.

Given her many political advantages, like rich donors and widespread support from Democratic Party elites, she is also surprised that Mr. Sanders’s fund-raising has rivaled hers and that her experience — along with her potential to make history as the first woman elected president — has not galvanized more voters.


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Sun 01/17/16 08:50 AM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/us/politics/hillary-clinton-regrets-not-attacking-bernie-sanders-earlier-her-allies-say.html?_r=0

Clinton Campaign Underestimated Sanders Strengths, Allies Say


By PATRICK HEALY
January 16, 2016

Advisers to Hillary Clinton, including former President Bill Clinton, believe that her campaign made serious miscalculations by forgoing early attacks on Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont and failing to undercut his archliberal message before it grew into a political movement that has now put him within striking distance of beating her in Iowa and New Hampshire.

According to Democrats close to the Clintons and involved with her campaign, Mrs. Clinton and the former president are also unnerved by the possibility that Mr. Sanders will foment a large wave of first-time voters and liberals that will derail her in Iowa, not unlike Barack Obama’s success in 2008, which consigned Mrs. Clinton to a third-place finish. They have asked her advisers about the strength of the campaign’s data modeling and turnout assumptions in Iowa, given that her 2008 campaign’s predictions were so inaccurate.

As the Democratic rivals prepare for what is likely to be a contentious televised debate on Sunday night, the Clintons are particularly concerned that her “rational message,” in the words of an aide, is not a fit with a restless Democratic primary electorate. Allies and advisers of the Clintons say Mr. Sanders is clearly connecting with voters through his emotional, inspiring rallying cry that the American economic and political systems are rigged for the wealthy and powerful. By contrast, Mrs. Clinton has laid out an ambitious policy agenda, but more recently has been stressing her electability and questioning the costs of Mr. Sanders’s ideas.

Most Clinton advisers and allies would speak only on the condition of anonymity to candidly assess her vulnerabilities and the Clintons’ outlook on the race. This article is based on interviews with 11 people — campaign advisers, outside allies, friends and donors — who have spoken to the Clintons about the race.

“Hillary is a pragmatic progressive — she’s not an advocate,” said Gov. Peter Shumlin of Vermont, who last week campaigned in Iowa for Mrs. Clinton over his home-state senator Mr. Sanders. “She quietly pulls people together and gets things done. Even though that’s not in vogue right now, I think that’s what voters will want in the end.”

But Mrs. Clinton’s problems are broader than just her message: Opinion polls show that some Democrats and other voters continue to question her trustworthiness and whether she cares about their problems. Recent polls show that her once-formidable lead over Mr. Sanders in Iowa has all but vanished, while he is holding on to a slight lead over her in New Hampshire.

Mrs. Clinton and her team say they always anticipated the race would tighten, with campaign manager Robby Mook telling colleagues last spring that Mr. Sanders would be tough competition. Yet they were not prepared for Mr. Sanders to become so popular with young people and independents, especially women, whom Mrs. Clinton views as a key part of her base.

Given her many political advantages, like rich donors and widespread support from Democratic Party elites, she is also surprised that Mr. Sanders’s fund-raising has rivaled hers and that her experience — along with her potential to make history as the first woman elected president — has not galvanized more voters.


I dont care for Bernies' political views....but he comes across as genuine in his beliefs....Hillary cant even spell "genuine"....and she's just not a likable person.

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Sun 01/17/16 09:40 AM


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/us/politics/hillary-clinton-regrets-not-attacking-bernie-sanders-earlier-her-allies-say.html?_r=0

Clinton Campaign Underestimated Sanders Strengths, Allies Say


By PATRICK HEALY
January 16, 2016

Advisers to Hillary Clinton, including former President Bill Clinton, believe that her campaign made serious miscalculations by forgoing early attacks on Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont and failing to undercut his archliberal message before it grew into a political movement that has now put him within striking distance of beating her in Iowa and New Hampshire.

According to Democrats close to the Clintons and involved with her campaign, Mrs. Clinton and the former president are also unnerved by the possibility that Mr. Sanders will foment a large wave of first-time voters and liberals that will derail her in Iowa, not unlike Barack Obama’s success in 2008, which consigned Mrs. Clinton to a third-place finish. They have asked her advisers about the strength of the campaign’s data modeling and turnout assumptions in Iowa, given that her 2008 campaign’s predictions were so inaccurate.

As the Democratic rivals prepare for what is likely to be a contentious televised debate on Sunday night, the Clintons are particularly concerned that her “rational message,” in the words of an aide, is not a fit with a restless Democratic primary electorate. Allies and advisers of the Clintons say Mr. Sanders is clearly connecting with voters through his emotional, inspiring rallying cry that the American economic and political systems are rigged for the wealthy and powerful. By contrast, Mrs. Clinton has laid out an ambitious policy agenda, but more recently has been stressing her electability and questioning the costs of Mr. Sanders’s ideas.

Most Clinton advisers and allies would speak only on the condition of anonymity to candidly assess her vulnerabilities and the Clintons’ outlook on the race. This article is based on interviews with 11 people — campaign advisers, outside allies, friends and donors — who have spoken to the Clintons about the race.

“Hillary is a pragmatic progressive — she’s not an advocate,” said Gov. Peter Shumlin of Vermont, who last week campaigned in Iowa for Mrs. Clinton over his home-state senator Mr. Sanders. “She quietly pulls people together and gets things done. Even though that’s not in vogue right now, I think that’s what voters will want in the end.”

But Mrs. Clinton’s problems are broader than just her message: Opinion polls show that some Democrats and other voters continue to question her trustworthiness and whether she cares about their problems. Recent polls show that her once-formidable lead over Mr. Sanders in Iowa has all but vanished, while he is holding on to a slight lead over her in New Hampshire.

Mrs. Clinton and her team say they always anticipated the race would tighten, with campaign manager Robby Mook telling colleagues last spring that Mr. Sanders would be tough competition. Yet they were not prepared for Mr. Sanders to become so popular with young people and independents, especially women, whom Mrs. Clinton views as a key part of her base.

Given her many political advantages, like rich donors and widespread support from Democratic Party elites, she is also surprised that Mr. Sanders’s fund-raising has rivaled hers and that her experience — along with her potential to make history as the first woman elected president — has not galvanized more voters.


I dont care for Bernies' political views....but he comes across as genuine in his beliefs....Hillary cant even spell "genuine"....and she's just not a likable person.
wouldn't be no less destructive to the US!

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Sun 01/17/16 09:55 AM
wouldn't be no less destructive to the US!
Thats not my point...my point is only about the current dem primary and Clintons shrinking lead....which is what the OP is about. drinker

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Sun 01/17/16 10:15 AM
The OP is about Bernie rising. I don't think that is the case. I watched both of them this morning as George softballed the questions. Bernie is not rising, Hillery is sinking. Not one word of the FBI was mentioned and I feel the liberal media is starting to smell death.

There was even mention of Al Gore jumping in.

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Sun 01/17/16 10:37 AM
Edited by RebelArcher on Sun 01/17/16 10:42 AM

The OP is about Bernie rising. I don't think that is the case. I watched both of them this morning as George softballed the questions. Bernie is not rising, Hillery is sinking. Not one word of the FBI was mentioned and I feel the liberal media is starting to smell death.

There was even mention of Al Gore jumping in.
Rising, sinking....who cares, she's going away hopefully laugh
And do you think its more softball questions at tonights debate?
And there have been hints at Shotgun Joe getting back in....who knows. People complain abt the repub race but its the dem race that is the real $hitshow.....

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Sun 01/17/16 10:41 AM

wouldn't be no less destructive to the US!
Thats not my point...my point is only about the current dem primary and Clintons shrinking lead....which is what the OP is about. drinker
:smile: :thumbsup:
Could be a result of today's GIMME-Society!
Bernie's Free Stuff!

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Sun 01/17/16 10:42 AM


The OP is about Bernie rising. I don't think that is the case. I watched both of them this morning as George softballed the questions. Bernie is not rising, Hillery is sinking. Not one word of the FBI was mentioned and I feel the liberal media is starting to smell death.

There was even mention of Al Gore jumping in.
Rising, sinking....who cares, she's going away hopefully :away:
And do you think its more softball questions at tonights debate?
And there have been hints at Shotgun Joe getting back in....who knows. People complain abt the repub race but its the dem race that is the real $hitshow.....

a Joe/Fauxcahontas-Ticket!

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Sun 01/17/16 11:28 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/266114-sanders-gets-second-shot-at-clinton-in-pivotal-debate-for-dems

Sanders gets second shot at Clinton in pivotal debate for Dems


By Ben Kamisar and Amie Parnes - 01/17/16 06:00 AM EST

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are poised for a pivotal debate on Sunday with just two weeks to go before the Feb. 1 Iowa caucuses.

Sanders is surging in polls, and a sweep of the first two contests in Iowa and New Hampshire appears within his grasp.

Anxiety appears to be building in the Clinton campaign, which has seen the race tighten.

Clinton’s performance at the first Democratic debate in October was a cornerstone of Clinton’s strong fall, which underlined her status as the clear frontrunner.

Coupled with a grueling but successful day of testimony before the House Benghazi panel in which Republicans failed to land a solid blow, the solid debate performance quieted doubts about the former secretary of state’s campaign.

Since then, there have been two more debates — neither of which was memorable. One came the day after the terrorist attack in Paris, while the third was held on the Saturday before Christmas.

Sunday’s affair is also out of the limelight: It will take place in the middle of a three-day holiday weekend for many voters.

Yet it represents a clear second shot of sorts for Sanders, who kept the gloves on in his first on-stage encounter with Clinton but not has a chance to reengage under a media spotlight.

Team Sanders is taking a cautious approach heading into the fight.

“We don’t feel like we have to go in there and heat it up,” Sanders advisor Tad Devine told The Hill.

“But if she starts to say he’s going to dismantle health care in America or some of the stuff they’ve been peddling out there on the campaign trail, he’s not going to let that slide. He’s going to engage on it and he’s going to be forceful.”

In the past week, Clinton has characterized Sanders as standing against her and President Obama on gun control, and attacked Sanders’ call for single-payer health care as an idea that would “end all the kinds of health care we know.”

Team Clinton also accused Sanders of launching a negative television ad, a day after the campaign put former first daughter Chelsea Clinton on the stump to go after Sanders on healthcare.

The decision to use Chelsea Clinton for an attack on Sanders, and the decision to go after Sanders over his support for a single-payer health system have both raised eyebrows.

Chelsea Clinton’s strength is not necessarily as an attack surrogate, some Democrats said.

Others suggested a Democratic primary audience would generally back a single-payer health system, despite Clinton’s arguments about its cost.

Democratic strategist Peter Fenn said Clinton’s approach is to portray Sanders’s policies as too “pie in the sky,” an argument that also could be used to attack the self-professed Democratic socialist’s electability.

“She wants to bring some of this stuff down to Earth,” Fenn said.

Both candidates need to appeal to liberal voters, who are likely to carry the day in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

Tobe Berkovitz, a professor of communications at Boston University who specializes in political communication, said for Clinton and Sanders it will be “how far and how fast can you run to the left. You're not looking to South Carolina yet.”

While momentum appears to be on Sanders’s side, he’s still an underdog.

In Iowa, a win by Clinton could all but end the campaign. Many believe Sanders needs to win both states to alter a race that will then head south, where minority voters could be a big factor for Clinton.

Clinton is also looking for a good performance on Sunday.

“She needs to recreate the kind of big impact she had in the first debate, where she demonstrated that she’s an adroit explainer of policy,” said David Birdsell, a Baruch University professor and debate expert.

Berkovitz argued that Clinton has “more to lose.”

“Three months ago, who would have thought that Bernie Sanders would be a player in this election?” she said.

One Clinton donor who has helped raise money for the campaign acknowledged that the debate would almost assuredly be a fundraising boon to Sanders, who has seen “absurd amounts of money in recent days.”

“She has to be worried about his momentum,” the donor said. “If he wins Iowa and then he goes on to win New Hampshire, suddenly he has a lot of momentum and suddenly other people across the country start taking a look.”

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Mon 01/18/16 09:48 AM
Sanders would be to the US like Hugo Chavez was to Venezuela.
If you like your vote, you can keep it.

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Mon 01/18/16 10:15 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 01/18/16 10:17 AM

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Mon 01/18/16 01:15 PM


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Mon 01/18/16 10:26 PM
I'm seriously considering volunteering my skills, time, & efforts to work for
Bernie Sanders Campaign;} I'll know more by Thursday as to the details...quite excited;} "Feel The BERN!" :banana:

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Mon 01/18/16 10:36 PM

I'm seriously considering volunteering my skills, time, & efforts to work for
Bernie Sanders Campaign;} I'll know more by Thursday as to the details...quite excited;} "Feel The BERN!" :banana:


I'm sorry for you

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Mon 01/18/16 11:09 PM
Edited by Valeris on Mon 01/18/16 11:10 PM


I'm sorry for you


Please don't be.
You obviously must not be aware of the economic policies & horrific politics of what's going-on in this country now. I envy your ignorance;}

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Mon 01/18/16 11:21 PM

I'm seriously considering volunteering my skills, time, & efforts to work for
Bernie Sanders Campaign;} I'll know more by Thursday as to the details...quite excited;} "Feel The BERN!" :banana:


Kudos Valeris! :thumbsup:

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Mon 01/18/16 11:37 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 01/18/16 11:52 PM


Please don't be.
You obviously must not be aware of the economic policies & horrific politics of what's going-on in this country now. I envy your ignorance;}


So you think burdening your children under another $18 Trillion dollars in debt and enslaving them to govt/corporate masters to pay for it is good politics? Or maybe you forget that we are already close to $20 Trillion in debt already?

Increasing the power of govt (which is what more debt would do) is not going to give you the results you think it is!

Or perhaps you think ole Bernie is taking it out of his pocket for you?

There are no free rides! So who will pay for the ride you enjoy? Or do you care?

It is not ignorance that has put 65 years behind me

If you think the people under a socialist society are free perhaps you should go live among them for a while.....