Topic: Iran Holding Navy-Vessels
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Thu 01/14/16 09:27 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 01/14/16 09:31 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/01/iranian-regime-warns-missiles-are-locked-on-us-aircraft-carrier-uss-truman/

Iranian Fars News reported:

Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Navy Commander Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi blamed the US navy for its excited and unprofessional moves after Iran arrested 10 US marines for trespassing on its territorial waters, warning that his forces’ coast-to-sea missiles were awaiting orders to hit the American aircraft carrier deployed in the region.
The IRGC seized two US Navy boats on Tuesday and detained them on Iran’s Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf. Nine men and one woman arrived in Iran’s territorial waters in the Persian Gulf illegally when they were captured by the IRGC Navy.

Following the capture, two US and French aircraft carriers as well as their accompanying fleets and military choppers started maneuvering near Iranian waters.

“The USS Truman Aircraft carrier showed unprofessional moves for 40 minutes after the detention of the trespassers, while we were highly prepared with our coast-to-sea missiles, missile-launching speedboats and our numerous capabilities” and were ready to strike them in case they made a hostile move, Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi said after Iran released the detained US marines.

now let's give those Bandits the 150Billion that don't really belong to them!

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Thu 01/14/16 09:28 AM

laugh oops
Wrong thread!

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Thu 01/14/16 03:40 PM
When do we get the boats back?spock

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Fri 01/15/16 07:41 AM
The Sailor Who Apologized to Iranians is Identified as 27-Year-Old Navy Lieutenant
Inside Edition By Inside Edition

The young Navy lieutenant who apologized to the Iranians after U.S. boats entered Iran’s territory has been identified as Lt. David Nartker.

The 27-year-old grew up in Chicago and now lives in Ohio. Videos on his Facebook page show him firing weapons.

Nartker was among the 10 U.S. sailors who were captured by Iran earlier this week. The sailors were later released.

But he found himself at the center of an international uproar after Iran released footage showing an interrogator haranguing him about being in Iranian waters.

“It was a mistake,” Nartker is heard responding. “It was our fault and we apologize for our mistake.”

On Sean Hannity's show on Fox on Wednesday, there were questions over whether the apology could be a violation of the U.S. Military code of conduct.

But former Navy SEAL Chris Heban told INSIDE EDITION: "It is quite possible they were coerced or threatened into an apology. It certainly doesn't make us look good."

The Iranians also released images of his crew kneeling in submission with their hands locked behind their heads. A female sailor was forced to cover her head in keeping with Muslim law.

http://news.yahoo.com/sailor-apologized-iranians-identified-27-205800608.html/ * Video of the Marines on their knees & related articles *

explode

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Fri 01/15/16 08:03 AM
why did they confiscate the Navigation-Equipment?
Were those Boats perhaps NOT in Iranian Territorial Waters,and we have basically another PUEBLO?

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Fri 01/15/16 08:41 AM
Edited by RebelArcher on Fri 01/15/16 08:48 AM
why did they confiscate the Navigation-
Equipment?
Because Iran knows that they can do whatever the frick they want and Obama wont do $hit about it.....he'll just send Kerry to kiss their azz. All he cares about is this fantasy of this "great" Nuke deal and his so-called legacy.
The Iranians must have pics of Obama fricking a goat.....or, he's just a huge fricking puzzy.


And btw....

"" After Iran released 10 U.S. Navy sailors
from custody early Wednesday morning,
some media outlets reported that the U.S.
had issued an apology to Tehran in order to
secure the sailors' freedom. But Vice
President Joe Biden told CBS News that there
was "no apology" given.
"When you have a problem with the boat,
(do) you apologize the boat had a problem?
No," Biden said in an interview with "CBS
This Morning" on Wednesday. "And there
was no looking for any apology. This was
just standard nautical practice."
While there was no official apology issued,
Iran state television showed footage
showing one U.S. sailor apologizing, calling
the incident a "mistake.""
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-there-was-no-apology-to-iranians-over-navy-boat/

I guess Shotgun Joe missed our troops getting paraded around Iranian State tv on their knees and issuing apologies.
The whole fricking administration is an embarrassment to our military.....and still no official word from them on the incident. Guess theyre too busy counting out that $150 billion about to be handed over to Iran.

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 01/15/16 08:45 AM

why did they confiscate the Navigation-
Equipment?
Because Iran know that they can do whatever the frick they want and Obama wont do $hit about it.....he'll just send Kerry to kiss their azz. All he cares about is this fantasy of this "great" Nuke deal and his so-called legacy.
The Iranians must have pics of Obama fricking a goat.....or, he's just a huge fricking puzzy.


And btw....

"" After Iran released 10 U.S. Navy sailors
from custody early Wednesday morning,
some media outlets reported that the U.S.
had issued an apology to Tehran in order to
secure the sailors' freedom. But Vice
President Joe Biden told CBS News that there
was "no apology" given.
"When you have a problem with the boat,
(do) you apologize the boat had a problem?
No," Biden said in an interview with "CBS
This Morning" on Wednesday. "And there
was no looking for any apology. This was
just standard nautical practice."
While there was no official apology issued,
Iran state television showed footage
showing one U.S. sailor apologizing, calling
the incident a "mistake.""
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-there-was-no-apology-to-iranians-over-navy-boat/

I guess Shotgun Joe missed our troops getting paraded around Iranian State tv on their knees and issuing apologies.
The whole fricking administration is an embarrassment to our military.....and still no official word from them on the incident. Guess theyre too busy counting out that $150 billion about to be handed over to Iran.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Fri 01/15/16 08:46 AM
If we had a strong President like Mr. Trump or President Reagan this would have ended a lot faster.

Why in the F**k do we have a carrier strike group right there and a French Carrier Strike Group with our Carrier group and we did nothing.

Iran should have been warned that they have 1 hour to have the sailors back at their boats and back at sea or we take action and trust me we could have handled that threat with two Carrier groups in the area.

It's because we have a Pu$$y for a President, Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense. They know they can get away with it.

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Fri 01/15/16 09:40 AM

why did they confiscate the Navigation-Equipment?
Were those Boats perhaps NOT in Iranian Territorial Waters,and we have basically another PUEBLO?


WHY? To many things.. spock

The $150 Billion
The waters
Passports
The equipment/ technology/ gear
Sen. Kerry's denial of apology
The apology itself
The video tape
Obama's silence (not a word)


Something (s) not Kosher

Lpdon's photo
Fri 01/15/16 10:22 AM


why did they confiscate the Navigation-Equipment?
Were those Boats perhaps NOT in Iranian Territorial Waters,and we have basically another PUEBLO?


WHY? To many things.. spock

The $150 Billion
The waters
Passports
The equipment/ technology/ gear
Sen. Kerry's denial of apology
The apology itself
The video tape
Obama's silence (not a word)


Something (s) not Kosher


It cant be a Special Ops mission or a Special Ops mission gone wrong since there was a female crew member. They don't have Female SEALS yet.

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Sat 01/16/16 07:29 AM
FOREIGN POLICY

TEHRAN, Iran – Developing

Report: Iran releases 4 dual-nationality prisoners, among them purportedly Post reporter Rezaian

Published January 16, 2016
FoxNews.com

Iran state TV announced Saturday the release of four dual-nationality prisoners without revealing names.

The British Broadcasting Corp. reports those freed are Washington Post reporter Jason Rezaian and three Iranian Americans.

American pastor Saeed Abedini is also among those being released, multiple sources tell Fox News.

The announcment comes as Iran and the international communtity are expected Saturday to complete a deal in which Theran verifies the curtailment of its efforts to build a nuclear weapon in exchange for getting back $100 billions in frozen assets.

The Washington Post said it could not confirm any changes to Rezaian's case.

Fox News' Shannon Bream contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/16/iran-state-tv-announces-release-4-dual-nationality-prisoners-without-revealing-names.html/

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Sat 01/16/16 09:17 AM

FOREIGN POLICY

TEHRAN, Iran – Developing

Report: Iran releases 4 dual-nationality prisoners, among them purportedly Post reporter Rezaian

Published January 16, 2016
FoxNews.com

Iran state TV announced Saturday the release of four dual-nationality prisoners without revealing names.

The British Broadcasting Corp. reports those freed are Washington Post reporter Jason Rezaian and three Iranian Americans.

American pastor Saeed Abedini is also among those being released, multiple sources tell Fox News.

The announcment comes as Iran and the international communtity are expected Saturday to complete a deal in which Theran verifies the curtailment of its efforts to build a nuclear weapon in exchange for getting back $100 billions in frozen assets.

The Washington Post said it could not confirm any changes to Rezaian's case.

Fox News' Shannon Bream contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/16/iran-state-tv-announces-release-4-dual-nationality-prisoners-without-revealing-names.html/


$150 Billion is one Hell of a Ransom for four People!

mightymoe's photo
Sat 01/16/16 09:29 AM

Glenn Greenwald
MintPress News
Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:15 UTC
Map


Even when the White House was saying they did not yet regard the Iranian conduct as an act of aggression, American journalists were insisting that it was.

News broke last night, hours before President Obama's State of the Union address, that two U.S. Navy ships "in the Persian Gulf" were "seized" by Iran, and the 10 sailors on board were "arrested." The Iranian government quickly said, and even the U.S. government itself seemed to acknowledge, that these ships had entered Iranian waters without permission, and were thus inside Iranian territory when detained. CNN's Barbara Starr, as she always does, immediately went on-air with Wolf Blitzer to read what U.S. officials told her to say: "We are told that right now, what the U.S. thinks may have happened, is that one of these small boats experienced a mechanical problem . . . perhaps beginning to drift . . . it was at that point, the theory goes right now, that they drifted into Iranian territorial waters."

It goes without saying that every country has the right to patrol and defend its territorial waters and to intercept other nations' military boats that enter without permission. Indeed, the White House itself last night was clear that, in its view, this was "not a hostile act by Iran" and that Iran had given assurances that the sailors would be promptly released. And this morning they were released, exactly as Iran promised they would be, after Iran said it determined the trespassing was accidental and the U.S. apologized and promised no future transgressions.

Despite all of this, most U.S. news accounts last night quickly skimmed over - or outright ignored - the rather critical fact that the U.S. ships had "drifted into" Iranian waters. Instead, all sorts of TV news personalities and U.S. establishment figures puffed out their chest and instantly donned their Tough Warrior pose to proclaim that this was an act of aggression - virtually an act of war: not by the U.S., but by Iran. They had taken our sailors "hostage," showing yet again how menacing and untrustworthy they are. Completely typical was this instant analysis from former Clinton and Bush Middle East negotiator Aaron David Miller, now at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars:
[Isn't it such a mystery - given "even-handed" diplomats like this - why the U.S. failed to facilitate an Israel/Palestine peace deal and is perceived around the world as hopelessly biased toward Israel?] Miller's proclamation - issued when almost no facts were known - was immediately re-tweeted by New York Times columnist Nick Kristof to his 1.7 million followers [amazingly, when numerous people pointed out that Miller issued this inflammatory claim without any facts whatsoever, he lashed out at critics with the condescension and limitless projection typical of US establishment elites: "Twitter is an amazing vehicle: it allows instant and at times inaccurate analysis but always intemperate and ad hominem responses"; by "instant and at times inaccurate analysis," he meant his critics, not his own fact-free claim]. Nick Kristof himself then added:
The truly imbecilic Joe Scarborough of MSNBC turned himself into an instant self-parody of a pseudo-tough-guy compensating for all sorts of inadequacies:
But, as usual, the most alarmist, jingoistic coverage came from the always-war-hungry CNN. For hours, they emphasized in the most alarmist of tones that the sailors had been picked up by the Revolutionary Guard which, in the words of Starr, is "one of the most aggressive elements of the military and national security apparatus in that country." CNN host Erin Burnett intoned at the top of her prime-time show: "Next, breaking news: American sailors seized by Iran. The revolutionary guard arresting ten American sailors in the Persian Gulf."

For hours, CNN anchors and guests all but declared war on Iran, insisting that this behavior demonstrated how aggressive and menacing they were, while warning that this could turn into another "hostage crisis." Immediately after her opening headline-alarm, here is how Burnett "explained" the situation to CNN viewers:

Ten American navy sailors, nine men and one woman seized by Iranian Revolutionary Guards in the Persian Gulf tonight. The Americans ran two boats, each equipped with three 50 caliber machine gun. Iran's news agency announcing those sailors are under arrest. U.S. officials say the sailors were simply on a training mission traveling from Kuwait to Bahrain. It is a major embarrassment for the Obama administration coming just hours before the President will be here delivering his final State of the Union Address.

Notice what's missing? The fact that the ships had entered Iranian waters. Instead, they were "simply on a training mission traveling from Kuwait to Bahrain" when the Iranian Revolutionary Guard "seized" them. That is Baghdad-Bob-level propaganda.

They then brought on CNN national security reporter Jim Sciutto. Throughout the show, Burnett kept implying that Iran did this on purpose to humiliate Obama and the U.S. during his State of the Union speech: "Iran is acutely aware of important events in American politics tonight," she told Sciutto. Only then did Sciutto mention that the ships were in Iranian waters as he gently pointed out the blatantly irrational nature of her conspiracy theory: "Who could have predicted that you would have two U.S. small navy boats, one of which either had a mechanical problem or a navigational error that put it into Iran's territorial waters?" He then added: "But you know, I don't like the sound, it sounds like a cliché to say the timing, whether accidental or not couldn't be worse."

CNN then brought on its White House correspondent Jim Acosta to say: "this is sort of like an October surprise right before the State of the Union Address." They then spoke to a former U.S. intelligence official who, citing Iran's language, suggested that "what that means is that the Geneva Convention protections that are established by international law may not be invoked by the Iranians": in other words, they may abuse and even torture the sailors. Former CIA operative Robert Baer warned viewers: "I'm not saying that's going to happen but it could be another hostage crisis which would very much cloud this administration's foreign policy in a very, very ugly way." David Gergen warned that this was part of a broader trend showing Iranian aggression: "We have understood that with the nuclear agreement it not only would contain their nuclear program but they would start behaving themselves constructively. And that is exactly what they are not doing now."

Over and over, CNN's on-air personalities emphasized the Revolutionary Guard angle and barely acknowledged, or outright ignored, that the ships had entered Iranian waters. This was how Sciutto "reported" the event on Jake Tapper's The Lead:

TAPPER: Jim, you have some new details on who precisely may be behind this?

JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: This is a key detail. Iran's state Fars News Agency is reporting that the U.S. sailors were picked up by boats from Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps. This is very much tied to the hard-line camp in Iran, which has, in effect, its own military, including its own navy really in the Persian Gulf, which has contested U.S. ships before, U.S. aircraft carrier a couple of weeks ago.

To be clear, that is a hard line camp that is opposed to detente in effect with the U.S. and certainly opposed to the nuclear deal, which is meant to be implemented in the next several days. . . .

TAPPER: Obviously, we are praying for those ten sailors. Thank you so much, Jim Sciutto.

Just imagine what would happen if the situation had been reversed: if two Iranian naval ships had entered U.S. waters off the East Coast of the country without permission or notice. Wolf Blitzer would have declared war within minutes; Aaron David Miller would have sprained one his fingers madly tweeting about Iranian aggression and the need to show resolve; and Joe Scarborough would have videotaped himself throwing one of his Starbucks cups at a picture of the mullahs to show them that they cannot push America around and there "will be hell to pay." And, needless to say, the U.S. government would have - quite rightly - detained the Iranian ships and the sailors aboard them to determine why they had entered U.S. waters (and had they released the Iranians less than 24 hours later, the U.S. media would have compared Obama to Neville Chamberlain).

But somehow, the U.S. media instantly converted the invasion by U.S. ships into Iranian waters into an act of aggression by Iran. That's, in part, because the U.S. political and media establishment believes the world is owned by the United States (recall how the U.S., with a straight face, regularly condemned Iran for "interference" in Iraq even while the U.S. was occupying Iraq with 100,000 troops). Thus, the U.S. military has the absolute right to go anywhere it wants - even into Iranian waters - and it's inherently an act of "aggression" for anyone else to resist. That was the clear premise of the bulk of the U.S. commentary last night.

But the media reaction last night is also explained by the fact their self-assigned role in life is to instantly defend their government and demonize any governments that defy it. Even when the White House was saying they did not yet regard the Iranian conduct as an act of aggression, American journalists were insisting that it was. The U.S. does not officially have state TV; it has something much better and more effective: journalists who are nominally independent, legally free to say what they want, who are voluntarily even more nationalistic and jingoistic and government-defending than U.S. government spokespeople themselves.

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Sat 01/16/16 09:38 AM



why did they confiscate the Navigation-Equipment?
Were those Boats perhaps NOT in Iranian Territorial Waters,and we have basically another PUEBLO?


WHY? To many things.. spock

The $150 Billion
The waters
Passports
The equipment/ technology/ gear
Sen. Kerry's denial of apology
The apology itself
The video tape
Obama's silence (not a word)


Something (s) not Kosher


It cant be a Special Ops mission or a Special Ops mission gone wrong since there was a female crew member. They don't have Female SEALS yet.


And let's hope they never do have women SEALS slaphead
(Sorry ladies...it is a really bad idea, in so many ways)

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Sat 01/16/16 09:39 AM


FOREIGN POLICY

TEHRAN, Iran – Developing

Report: Iran releases 4 dual-nationality prisoners, among them purportedly Post reporter Rezaian

Published January 16, 2016
FoxNews.com

Iran state TV announced Saturday the release of four dual-nationality prisoners without revealing names.

The British Broadcasting Corp. reports those freed are Washington Post reporter Jason Rezaian and three Iranian Americans.

American pastor Saeed Abedini is also among those being released, multiple sources tell Fox News.

The announcment comes as Iran and the international communtity are expected Saturday to complete a deal in which Theran verifies the curtailment of its efforts to build a nuclear weapon in exchange for getting back $100 billions in frozen assets.

The Washington Post said it could not confirm any changes to Rezaian's case.

Fox News' Shannon Bream contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/16/iran-state-tv-announces-release-4-dual-nationality-prisoners-without-revealing-names.html/


$150 Billion is one Hell of a Ransom for four People!


:angry: Ggggrrruuuu..... !

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Sat 01/16/16 09:49 AM


Glenn Greenwald
MintPress News
Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:15 UTC
Map


Even when the White House was saying they did not yet regard the Iranian conduct as an act of aggression, American journalists were insisting that it was.

News broke last night, hours before President Obama's State of the Union address, that two U.S. Navy ships "in the Persian Gulf" were "seized" by Iran, and the 10 sailors on board were "arrested." The Iranian government quickly said, and even the U.S. government itself seemed to acknowledge, that these ships had entered Iranian waters without permission, and were thus inside Iranian territory when detained. CNN's Barbara Starr, as she always does, immediately went on-air with Wolf Blitzer to read what U.S. officials told her to say: "We are told that right now, what the U.S. thinks may have happened, is that one of these small boats experienced a mechanical problem . . . perhaps beginning to drift . . . it was at that point, the theory goes right now, that they drifted into Iranian territorial waters."

It goes without saying that every country has the right to patrol and defend its territorial waters and to intercept other nations' military boats that enter without permission. Indeed, the White House itself last night was clear that, in its view, this was "not a hostile act by Iran" and that Iran had given assurances that the sailors would be promptly released. And this morning they were released, exactly as Iran promised they would be, after Iran said it determined the trespassing was accidental and the U.S. apologized and promised no future transgressions.

Despite all of this, most U.S. news accounts last night quickly skimmed over - or outright ignored - the rather critical fact that the U.S. ships had "drifted into" Iranian waters. Instead, all sorts of TV news personalities and U.S. establishment figures puffed out their chest and instantly donned their Tough Warrior pose to proclaim that this was an act of aggression - virtually an act of war: not by the U.S., but by Iran. They had taken our sailors "hostage," showing yet again how menacing and untrustworthy they are. Completely typical was this instant analysis from former Clinton and Bush Middle East negotiator Aaron David Miller, now at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars:
[Isn't it such a mystery - given "even-handed" diplomats like this - why the U.S. failed to facilitate an Israel/Palestine peace deal and is perceived around the world as hopelessly biased toward Israel?] Miller's proclamation - issued when almost no facts were known - was immediately re-tweeted by New York Times columnist Nick Kristof to his 1.7 million followers [amazingly, when numerous people pointed out that Miller issued this inflammatory claim without any facts whatsoever, he lashed out at critics with the condescension and limitless projection typical of US establishment elites: "Twitter is an amazing vehicle: it allows instant and at times inaccurate analysis but always intemperate and ad hominem responses"; by "instant and at times inaccurate analysis," he meant his critics, not his own fact-free claim]. Nick Kristof himself then added:
The truly imbecilic Joe Scarborough of MSNBC turned himself into an instant self-parody of a pseudo-tough-guy compensating for all sorts of inadequacies:
But, as usual, the most alarmist, jingoistic coverage came from the always-war-hungry CNN. For hours, they emphasized in the most alarmist of tones that the sailors had been picked up by the Revolutionary Guard which, in the words of Starr, is "one of the most aggressive elements of the military and national security apparatus in that country." CNN host Erin Burnett intoned at the top of her prime-time show: "Next, breaking news: American sailors seized by Iran. The revolutionary guard arresting ten American sailors in the Persian Gulf."

For hours, CNN anchors and guests all but declared war on Iran, insisting that this behavior demonstrated how aggressive and menacing they were, while warning that this could turn into another "hostage crisis." Immediately after her opening headline-alarm, here is how Burnett "explained" the situation to CNN viewers:

Ten American navy sailors, nine men and one woman seized by Iranian Revolutionary Guards in the Persian Gulf tonight. The Americans ran two boats, each equipped with three 50 caliber machine gun. Iran's news agency announcing those sailors are under arrest. U.S. officials say the sailors were simply on a training mission traveling from Kuwait to Bahrain. It is a major embarrassment for the Obama administration coming just hours before the President will be here delivering his final State of the Union Address.

Notice what's missing? The fact that the ships had entered Iranian waters. Instead, they were "simply on a training mission traveling from Kuwait to Bahrain" when the Iranian Revolutionary Guard "seized" them. That is Baghdad-Bob-level propaganda.

They then brought on CNN national security reporter Jim Sciutto. Throughout the show, Burnett kept implying that Iran did this on purpose to humiliate Obama and the U.S. during his State of the Union speech: "Iran is acutely aware of important events in American politics tonight," she told Sciutto. Only then did Sciutto mention that the ships were in Iranian waters as he gently pointed out the blatantly irrational nature of her conspiracy theory: "Who could have predicted that you would have two U.S. small navy boats, one of which either had a mechanical problem or a navigational error that put it into Iran's territorial waters?" He then added: "But you know, I don't like the sound, it sounds like a cliché to say the timing, whether accidental or not couldn't be worse."

CNN then brought on its White House correspondent Jim Acosta to say: "this is sort of like an October surprise right before the State of the Union Address." They then spoke to a former U.S. intelligence official who, citing Iran's language, suggested that "what that means is that the Geneva Convention protections that are established by international law may not be invoked by the Iranians": in other words, they may abuse and even torture the sailors. Former CIA operative Robert Baer warned viewers: "I'm not saying that's going to happen but it could be another hostage crisis which would very much cloud this administration's foreign policy in a very, very ugly way." David Gergen warned that this was part of a broader trend showing Iranian aggression: "We have understood that with the nuclear agreement it not only would contain their nuclear program but they would start behaving themselves constructively. And that is exactly what they are not doing now."

Over and over, CNN's on-air personalities emphasized the Revolutionary Guard angle and barely acknowledged, or outright ignored, that the ships had entered Iranian waters. This was how Sciutto "reported" the event on Jake Tapper's The Lead:

TAPPER: Jim, you have some new details on who precisely may be behind this?

JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: This is a key detail. Iran's state Fars News Agency is reporting that the U.S. sailors were picked up by boats from Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps. This is very much tied to the hard-line camp in Iran, which has, in effect, its own military, including its own navy really in the Persian Gulf, which has contested U.S. ships before, U.S. aircraft carrier a couple of weeks ago.

To be clear, that is a hard line camp that is opposed to detente in effect with the U.S. and certainly opposed to the nuclear deal, which is meant to be implemented in the next several days. . . .

TAPPER: Obviously, we are praying for those ten sailors. Thank you so much, Jim Sciutto.

Just imagine what would happen if the situation had been reversed: if two Iranian naval ships had entered U.S. waters off the East Coast of the country without permission or notice. Wolf Blitzer would have declared war within minutes; Aaron David Miller would have sprained one his fingers madly tweeting about Iranian aggression and the need to show resolve; and Joe Scarborough would have videotaped himself throwing one of his Starbucks cups at a picture of the mullahs to show them that they cannot push America around and there "will be hell to pay." And, needless to say, the U.S. government would have - quite rightly - detained the Iranian ships and the sailors aboard them to determine why they had entered U.S. waters (and had they released the Iranians less than 24 hours later, the U.S. media would have compared Obama to Neville Chamberlain).

But somehow, the U.S. media instantly converted the invasion by U.S. ships into Iranian waters into an act of aggression by Iran. That's, in part, because the U.S. political and media establishment believes the world is owned by the United States (recall how the U.S., with a straight face, regularly condemned Iran for "interference" in Iraq even while the U.S. was occupying Iraq with 100,000 troops). Thus, the U.S. military has the absolute right to go anywhere it wants - even into Iranian waters - and it's inherently an act of "aggression" for anyone else to resist. That was the clear premise of the bulk of the U.S. commentary last night.

But the media reaction last night is also explained by the fact their self-assigned role in life is to instantly defend their government and demonize any governments that defy it. Even when the White House was saying they did not yet regard the Iranian conduct as an act of aggression, American journalists were insisting that it was. The U.S. does not officially have state TV; it has something much better and more effective: journalists who are nominally independent, legally free to say what they want, who are voluntarily even more nationalistic and jingoistic and government-defending than U.S. government spokespeople themselves.



"Just imagine what would happen if the situation had been reversed: if two Iranian naval ships had entered U.S. waters off the East Coast of the country without permission or notice"


Some of us did flip the scenario.
And I came up with... Obama would of given them amnesty, an apartment, gift cards & a fr@cken drivers license & invited them to the White House. And then thanked Iran on International TV for their contribution to the world.


frustrated

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Sat 01/16/16 10:01 AM



Glenn Greenwald
MintPress News
Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:15 UTC
Map


Even when the White House was saying they did not yet regard the Iranian conduct as an act of aggression, American journalists were insisting that it was.

News broke last night, hours before President Obama's State of the Union address, that two U.S. Navy ships "in the Persian Gulf" were "seized" by Iran, and the 10 sailors on board were "arrested." The Iranian government quickly said, and even the U.S. government itself seemed to acknowledge, that these ships had entered Iranian waters without permission, and were thus inside Iranian territory when detained. CNN's Barbara Starr, as she always does, immediately went on-air with Wolf Blitzer to read what U.S. officials told her to say: "We are told that right now, what the U.S. thinks may have happened, is that one of these small boats experienced a mechanical problem . . . perhaps beginning to drift . . . it was at that point, the theory goes right now, that they drifted into Iranian territorial waters."

It goes without saying that every country has the right to patrol and defend its territorial waters and to intercept other nations' military boats that enter without permission. Indeed, the White House itself last night was clear that, in its view, this was "not a hostile act by Iran" and that Iran had given assurances that the sailors would be promptly released. And this morning they were released, exactly as Iran promised they would be, after Iran said it determined the trespassing was accidental and the U.S. apologized and promised no future transgressions.

Despite all of this, most U.S. news accounts last night quickly skimmed over - or outright ignored - the rather critical fact that the U.S. ships had "drifted into" Iranian waters. Instead, all sorts of TV news personalities and U.S. establishment figures puffed out their chest and instantly donned their Tough Warrior pose to proclaim that this was an act of aggression - virtually an act of war: not by the U.S., but by Iran. They had taken our sailors "hostage," showing yet again how menacing and untrustworthy they are. Completely typical was this instant analysis from former Clinton and Bush Middle East negotiator Aaron David Miller, now at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars:
[Isn't it such a mystery - given "even-handed" diplomats like this - why the U.S. failed to facilitate an Israel/Palestine peace deal and is perceived around the world as hopelessly biased toward Israel?] Miller's proclamation - issued when almost no facts were known - was immediately re-tweeted by New York Times columnist Nick Kristof to his 1.7 million followers [amazingly, when numerous people pointed out that Miller issued this inflammatory claim without any facts whatsoever, he lashed out at critics with the condescension and limitless projection typical of US establishment elites: "Twitter is an amazing vehicle: it allows instant and at times inaccurate analysis but always intemperate and ad hominem responses"; by "instant and at times inaccurate analysis," he meant his critics, not his own fact-free claim]. Nick Kristof himself then added:
The truly imbecilic Joe Scarborough of MSNBC turned himself into an instant self-parody of a pseudo-tough-guy compensating for all sorts of inadequacies:
But, as usual, the most alarmist, jingoistic coverage came from the always-war-hungry CNN. For hours, they emphasized in the most alarmist of tones that the sailors had been picked up by the Revolutionary Guard which, in the words of Starr, is "one of the most aggressive elements of the military and national security apparatus in that country." CNN host Erin Burnett intoned at the top of her prime-time show: "Next, breaking news: American sailors seized by Iran. The revolutionary guard arresting ten American sailors in the Persian Gulf."

For hours, CNN anchors and guests all but declared war on Iran, insisting that this behavior demonstrated how aggressive and menacing they were, while warning that this could turn into another "hostage crisis." Immediately after her opening headline-alarm, here is how Burnett "explained" the situation to CNN viewers:

Ten American navy sailors, nine men and one woman seized by Iranian Revolutionary Guards in the Persian Gulf tonight. The Americans ran two boats, each equipped with three 50 caliber machine gun. Iran's news agency announcing those sailors are under arrest. U.S. officials say the sailors were simply on a training mission traveling from Kuwait to Bahrain. It is a major embarrassment for the Obama administration coming just hours before the President will be here delivering his final State of the Union Address.

Notice what's missing? The fact that the ships had entered Iranian waters. Instead, they were "simply on a training mission traveling from Kuwait to Bahrain" when the Iranian Revolutionary Guard "seized" them. That is Baghdad-Bob-level propaganda.

They then brought on CNN national security reporter Jim Sciutto. Throughout the show, Burnett kept implying that Iran did this on purpose to humiliate Obama and the U.S. during his State of the Union speech: "Iran is acutely aware of important events in American politics tonight," she told Sciutto. Only then did Sciutto mention that the ships were in Iranian waters as he gently pointed out the blatantly irrational nature of her conspiracy theory: "Who could have predicted that you would have two U.S. small navy boats, one of which either had a mechanical problem or a navigational error that put it into Iran's territorial waters?" He then added: "But you know, I don't like the sound, it sounds like a cliché to say the timing, whether accidental or not couldn't be worse."

CNN then brought on its White House correspondent Jim Acosta to say: "this is sort of like an October surprise right before the State of the Union Address." They then spoke to a former U.S. intelligence official who, citing Iran's language, suggested that "what that means is that the Geneva Convention protections that are established by international law may not be invoked by the Iranians": in other words, they may abuse and even torture the sailors. Former CIA operative Robert Baer warned viewers: "I'm not saying that's going to happen but it could be another hostage crisis which would very much cloud this administration's foreign policy in a very, very ugly way." David Gergen warned that this was part of a broader trend showing Iranian aggression: "We have understood that with the nuclear agreement it not only would contain their nuclear program but they would start behaving themselves constructively. And that is exactly what they are not doing now."

Over and over, CNN's on-air personalities emphasized the Revolutionary Guard angle and barely acknowledged, or outright ignored, that the ships had entered Iranian waters. This was how Sciutto "reported" the event on Jake Tapper's The Lead:

TAPPER: Jim, you have some new details on who precisely may be behind this?

JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: This is a key detail. Iran's state Fars News Agency is reporting that the U.S. sailors were picked up by boats from Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps. This is very much tied to the hard-line camp in Iran, which has, in effect, its own military, including its own navy really in the Persian Gulf, which has contested U.S. ships before, U.S. aircraft carrier a couple of weeks ago.

To be clear, that is a hard line camp that is opposed to detente in effect with the U.S. and certainly opposed to the nuclear deal, which is meant to be implemented in the next several days. . . .

TAPPER: Obviously, we are praying for those ten sailors. Thank you so much, Jim Sciutto.

Just imagine what would happen if the situation had been reversed: if two Iranian naval ships had entered U.S. waters off the East Coast of the country without permission or notice. Wolf Blitzer would have declared war within minutes; Aaron David Miller would have sprained one his fingers madly tweeting about Iranian aggression and the need to show resolve; and Joe Scarborough would have videotaped himself throwing one of his Starbucks cups at a picture of the mullahs to show them that they cannot push America around and there "will be hell to pay." And, needless to say, the U.S. government would have - quite rightly - detained the Iranian ships and the sailors aboard them to determine why they had entered U.S. waters (and had they released the Iranians less than 24 hours later, the U.S. media would have compared Obama to Neville Chamberlain).

But somehow, the U.S. media instantly converted the invasion by U.S. ships into Iranian waters into an act of aggression by Iran. That's, in part, because the U.S. political and media establishment believes the world is owned by the United States (recall how the U.S., with a straight face, regularly condemned Iran for "interference" in Iraq even while the U.S. was occupying Iraq with 100,000 troops). Thus, the U.S. military has the absolute right to go anywhere it wants - even into Iranian waters - and it's inherently an act of "aggression" for anyone else to resist. That was the clear premise of the bulk of the U.S. commentary last night.

But the media reaction last night is also explained by the fact their self-assigned role in life is to instantly defend their government and demonize any governments that defy it. Even when the White House was saying they did not yet regard the Iranian conduct as an act of aggression, American journalists were insisting that it was. The U.S. does not officially have state TV; it has something much better and more effective: journalists who are nominally independent, legally free to say what they want, who are voluntarily even more nationalistic and jingoistic and government-defending than U.S. government spokespeople themselves.



"Just imagine what would happen if the situation had been reversed: if two Iranian naval ships had entered U.S. waters off the East Coast of the country without permission or notice"


Some of us did flip the scenario.
And I came up with... Obama would of given them amnesty, an apartment, gift cards & a fr@cken drivers license & invited them to the White House. And then thanked Iran on International TV for their contribution to the world.


frustrated



wrong, if 10 Iranian (or any countries soldiers) soldiers were captured in American waters, the same thing would happen... they would captured and detained, the boats would be inspected, and they would be released when they are done being interrogated, just like what happened in Iran... only if the soldiers wanted amnesty would the government give them the things you spoke of...

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 01/16/16 10:24 AM
seems no one on those Boats have heard of Anchors,and Towing?
Stinks!

no photo
Sat 01/16/16 10:32 AM




Glenn Greenwald
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Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:15 UTC
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Even when the White House was saying they did not yet regard the Iranian conduct as an act of aggression, American journalists were insisting that it was.

News broke last night, hours before President Obama's State of the Union address, that two U.S. Navy ships "in the Persian Gulf" were "seized" by Iran, and the 10 sailors on board were "arrested." The Iranian government quickly said, and even the U.S. government itself seemed to acknowledge, that these ships had entered Iranian waters without permission, and were thus inside Iranian territory when detained. CNN's Barbara Starr, as she always does, immediately went on-air with Wolf Blitzer to read what U.S. officials told her to say: "We are told that right now, what the U.S. thinks may have happened, is that one of these small boats experienced a mechanical problem . . . perhaps beginning to drift . . . it was at that point, the theory goes right now, that they drifted into Iranian territorial waters."

It goes without saying that every country has the right to patrol and defend its territorial waters and to intercept other nations' military boats that enter without permission. Indeed, the White House itself last night was clear that, in its view, this was "not a hostile act by Iran" and that Iran had given assurances that the sailors would be promptly released. And this morning they were released, exactly as Iran promised they would be, after Iran said it determined the trespassing was accidental and the U.S. apologized and promised no future transgressions.

Despite all of this, most U.S. news accounts last night quickly skimmed over - or outright ignored - the rather critical fact that the U.S. ships had "drifted into" Iranian waters. Instead, all sorts of TV news personalities and U.S. establishment figures puffed out their chest and instantly donned their Tough Warrior pose to proclaim that this was an act of aggression - virtually an act of war: not by the U.S., but by Iran. They had taken our sailors "hostage," showing yet again how menacing and untrustworthy they are. Completely typical was this instant analysis from former Clinton and Bush Middle East negotiator Aaron David Miller, now at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars:
[Isn't it such a mystery - given "even-handed" diplomats like this - why the U.S. failed to facilitate an Israel/Palestine peace deal and is perceived around the world as hopelessly biased toward Israel?] Miller's proclamation - issued when almost no facts were known - was immediately re-tweeted by New York Times columnist Nick Kristof to his 1.7 million followers [amazingly, when numerous people pointed out that Miller issued this inflammatory claim without any facts whatsoever, he lashed out at critics with the condescension and limitless projection typical of US establishment elites: "Twitter is an amazing vehicle: it allows instant and at times inaccurate analysis but always intemperate and ad hominem responses"; by "instant and at times inaccurate analysis," he meant his critics, not his own fact-free claim]. Nick Kristof himself then added:
The truly imbecilic Joe Scarborough of MSNBC turned himself into an instant self-parody of a pseudo-tough-guy compensating for all sorts of inadequacies:
But, as usual, the most alarmist, jingoistic coverage came from the always-war-hungry CNN. For hours, they emphasized in the most alarmist of tones that the sailors had been picked up by the Revolutionary Guard which, in the words of Starr, is "one of the most aggressive elements of the military and national security apparatus in that country." CNN host Erin Burnett intoned at the top of her prime-time show: "Next, breaking news: American sailors seized by Iran. The revolutionary guard arresting ten American sailors in the Persian Gulf."

For hours, CNN anchors and guests all but declared war on Iran, insisting that this behavior demonstrated how aggressive and menacing they were, while warning that this could turn into another "hostage crisis." Immediately after her opening headline-alarm, here is how Burnett "explained" the situation to CNN viewers:

Ten American navy sailors, nine men and one woman seized by Iranian Revolutionary Guards in the Persian Gulf tonight. The Americans ran two boats, each equipped with three 50 caliber machine gun. Iran's news agency announcing those sailors are under arrest. U.S. officials say the sailors were simply on a training mission traveling from Kuwait to Bahrain. It is a major embarrassment for the Obama administration coming just hours before the President will be here delivering his final State of the Union Address.

Notice what's missing? The fact that the ships had entered Iranian waters. Instead, they were "simply on a training mission traveling from Kuwait to Bahrain" when the Iranian Revolutionary Guard "seized" them. That is Baghdad-Bob-level propaganda.

They then brought on CNN national security reporter Jim Sciutto. Throughout the show, Burnett kept implying that Iran did this on purpose to humiliate Obama and the U.S. during his State of the Union speech: "Iran is acutely aware of important events in American politics tonight," she told Sciutto. Only then did Sciutto mention that the ships were in Iranian waters as he gently pointed out the blatantly irrational nature of her conspiracy theory: "Who could have predicted that you would have two U.S. small navy boats, one of which either had a mechanical problem or a navigational error that put it into Iran's territorial waters?" He then added: "But you know, I don't like the sound, it sounds like a cliché to say the timing, whether accidental or not couldn't be worse."

CNN then brought on its White House correspondent Jim Acosta to say: "this is sort of like an October surprise right before the State of the Union Address." They then spoke to a former U.S. intelligence official who, citing Iran's language, suggested that "what that means is that the Geneva Convention protections that are established by international law may not be invoked by the Iranians": in other words, they may abuse and even torture the sailors. Former CIA operative Robert Baer warned viewers: "I'm not saying that's going to happen but it could be another hostage crisis which would very much cloud this administration's foreign policy in a very, very ugly way." David Gergen warned that this was part of a broader trend showing Iranian aggression: "We have understood that with the nuclear agreement it not only would contain their nuclear program but they would start behaving themselves constructively. And that is exactly what they are not doing now."

Over and over, CNN's on-air personalities emphasized the Revolutionary Guard angle and barely acknowledged, or outright ignored, that the ships had entered Iranian waters. This was how Sciutto "reported" the event on Jake Tapper's The Lead:

TAPPER: Jim, you have some new details on who precisely may be behind this?

JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: This is a key detail. Iran's state Fars News Agency is reporting that the U.S. sailors were picked up by boats from Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps. This is very much tied to the hard-line camp in Iran, which has, in effect, its own military, including its own navy really in the Persian Gulf, which has contested U.S. ships before, U.S. aircraft carrier a couple of weeks ago.

To be clear, that is a hard line camp that is opposed to detente in effect with the U.S. and certainly opposed to the nuclear deal, which is meant to be implemented in the next several days. . . .

TAPPER: Obviously, we are praying for those ten sailors. Thank you so much, Jim Sciutto.

Just imagine what would happen if the situation had been reversed: if two Iranian naval ships had entered U.S. waters off the East Coast of the country without permission or notice. Wolf Blitzer would have declared war within minutes; Aaron David Miller would have sprained one his fingers madly tweeting about Iranian aggression and the need to show resolve; and Joe Scarborough would have videotaped himself throwing one of his Starbucks cups at a picture of the mullahs to show them that they cannot push America around and there "will be hell to pay." And, needless to say, the U.S. government would have - quite rightly - detained the Iranian ships and the sailors aboard them to determine why they had entered U.S. waters (and had they released the Iranians less than 24 hours later, the U.S. media would have compared Obama to Neville Chamberlain).

But somehow, the U.S. media instantly converted the invasion by U.S. ships into Iranian waters into an act of aggression by Iran. That's, in part, because the U.S. political and media establishment believes the world is owned by the United States (recall how the U.S., with a straight face, regularly condemned Iran for "interference" in Iraq even while the U.S. was occupying Iraq with 100,000 troops). Thus, the U.S. military has the absolute right to go anywhere it wants - even into Iranian waters - and it's inherently an act of "aggression" for anyone else to resist. That was the clear premise of the bulk of the U.S. commentary last night.

But the media reaction last night is also explained by the fact their self-assigned role in life is to instantly defend their government and demonize any governments that defy it. Even when the White House was saying they did not yet regard the Iranian conduct as an act of aggression, American journalists were insisting that it was. The U.S. does not officially have state TV; it has something much better and more effective: journalists who are nominally independent, legally free to say what they want, who are voluntarily even more nationalistic and jingoistic and government-defending than U.S. government spokespeople themselves.



"Just imagine what would happen if the situation had been reversed: if two Iranian naval ships had entered U.S. waters off the East Coast of the country without permission or notice"


Some of us did flip the scenario.
And I came up with... Obama would of given them amnesty, an apartment, gift cards & a fr@cken drivers license & invited them to the White House. And then thanked Iran on International TV for their contribution to the world.


frustrated



wrong, if 10 Iranian (or any countries soldiers) soldiers were captured in American waters, the same thing would happen... they would captured and detained, the boats would be inspected, and they would be released when they are done being interrogated, just like what happened in Iran... only if the soldiers wanted amnesty would the government give them the things you spoke of...


"wrong"

How am I wrong Moe?
It is my opinion. That's what you say all the time. Geez, you a crank today.

mightymoe's photo
Sat 01/16/16 10:33 AM

seems no one on those Boats have heard of Anchors,and Towing?
Stinks!


obviously, they were doing something else, like spying/getting information... why were they in a small boats 7 miles away from land? nothing coming from the US makes no sense whatsoever...