I mean in the book. in the islamic quran it speaks of scientific proofs that we just now found out with our technology. now how could someone 1,400 years ago know things like that?

PJ would you be more specific, please, of what you're referring to?

I'd be curious about what it was too. Although, I must confess that I expect it to be rather ambiguous. I say that simply because if was genuinely unambiguous then the scientific community itself would have probably taken note of it in a rather big way. Having studied science my entire life I never ran across any references to any predictions made in the Quran about scientific discoveries.

However, the philosophy of Pantheism basically predicted the nature of quantum physics before it was discovered. So even without a book, the philosophy of pantheism agrees with the discoveries of modern science. That relationship has been noted in science books. However, no one jumps to any profound conclusions about it. I mean, after all, if enough things are guessed at something’s bound to coincidentally agree. I certainly wouldn’t claim that quantum physics “proves” pantheism, but I will point out that it is perfect harmony with the holistic view of pantheism.

It talks of the 3 stages of the fetus in the mothers womb, about the mountains being pegs in the earth, lots of stuff

Fear and ignorance drive those that don't understand.
Kat

I have a few questions: Are kuffar innocent? Are Christians and Jews kuffar?

Another question: Who are takfir? Shia? Sunni? Sufi? Another sect?

ack, all these questions. im still learning myself, and u just asked questions i don't know the awnser to yet, let me check what those mean, ok?

In Islamic law, takfir or takfeer (تكفير) is the practice of declaring unbeliever or kafir (pl. kuffār), an individual or a group previously considered Muslim. The act which precipitates takfir is termed the mukaffir

Shī‘a Islam, also Shi‘ite Islam or Shi‘ism (Arabic (Arabic: شيعة; šīʿa), is the largest minority denomination (10-20%) based on the Islamic faith after Sunni Islam. Shias claim to adhere to the teachings of Islamic prophet Muhammad and the religious guidance of his family (who are referred to as the Ahl al-Bayt) or his descendants known as Shi'a Imams, whom they consider to be infallible. Shia's assert the right of Ali ibn Abi Talib (Muhammad's cousin and husband of Fatimah) as successor to Muhammad, rejecting the legitimacy of the first three caliphs of Islamic history. The singular/adjective form is šīʿī (شيعي.) and refers to a follower of the faction of Ali according to the Shia ideology.

Sunni Muslims are the largest denomination of Islam. Sunni Islam is also referred to as Sunnism or as Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamā‘h (Arabic: أهل السنة والجماعة) (people of the example (of Muhammad) and the community) which implies that they are the majority, or Ahl as-Sunnah (Arabic: أهل السنة ) for short. The word Sunni comes from the word Sunnah (Arabic : سنة ), which means the words and actions [1] or example of the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad. They represent the branch of Islam that accepted the caliphate of Abu Bakr due to him being chosen by Shurah. Shurah over the caliphate is the first distinguishing factor of Sunni Islam

Sufism is a mystic tradition within Islam that encompasses a diverse range of beliefs and practices dedicated to Divine love and the cultivation of the elements of the Divine within the individual human being. Practitioners of this tradition are known as "Sufis" generally, though some senior members of the tradition reserve this term for those who have attained the goals of the tradition.

and kuffar are disbelievers.

Any more questions?

PJ, be ready to have your beliefs questioned / criticized from all sides here - but please hang in there, its always good to hear fresh voices with differing beliefs.

PJ, be ready to have your beliefs questioned / criticized from all sides here - but please hang in there, its always good to hear fresh voices with differing beliefs.

thx mtrade, nothing could change my mind about my choice to turn to islam.

I don't dare come in and say someones "religion" or beliefs are wrong. The Kuran is a very old "bible?" that runs almost hand in hand with the "Holy Bible". A persons choice and beliefs in their own sect is wholly to me.

Oh, and welcome. Seems that all is calm here. Please stick around and enjoy all the diverse and loving people here.
Kat

not kuran, Qu'ran, do u know what "bible" means in arabic? Book. thats it, book.

That's why it's called the "Holy Bible", it's the "Holy Book".

So what does Qu'ran mean?

not really an english word for it, but i'll try. as close to a translation i can find in my mind, Qu'ran = Words and guidance of Allah

PJ1987,

By declaring all other sects of Islam "takir", a sect is then exempt from killing them. That is why Sunnis and Shias are able to kill each other (Muslims are forbidden to kill other Muslims). So my question to you is if you believe any other sect of Islam is takir?

Kuffar means infidel. I have heard it said that kuffar cannot be innocent. That means that a 2 year old kuffar is a valid miltary target. This is the excuse that terrorists use for their acts of brutality. They claim that a kuffar cannot be innocent, so their prohibition on killing innocents doesn't count.

Ahl al-Kitab means "People of the Book". For a long time, Christians and Jews were considered Ahl al-Kitab, but recently they have been relabeled as "kuffar".

So my questions to you is:

Who is a takir to you?
Who is kuffar to you? Are Christians and Jews kuffar or Ahl al-Kitab?
Are any kuffar innocent.

The answers to those questions determines how I feel about a Muslim.

I am not ready to awnser those questions. When I am ready to awnser, I would be very happy to.

Please don't get me wrong, I would love to awnser, but you must realize that I am a new muslim, and I am still learning.