igorfrankenstein,

the scenario was an example of what's you do . you can agree to disagree in a situation like that. lets not make light of the matter it does play a factor in mainly black and brown sometimes Italian communities with the mob.

I stated i was being sarcastic I haven't been witnessing crimes i think if you commit the crime you should do the time

pacific star,

ms. paficic star well you are a true star I love your perception in all this. last year I was doing a lot of dating issues but I changed my approach to these forums. for the end of 2k15 thru 2k16 I want to bring the controversy and raised eye brows on my hot tea topics. thank you for sharing keep sharing.

TBone

ahhhh okay!

to jacktrades,

I guess you being from Detroit or the "D" we call it in the hip hop world, you seen and heard crime and law biding activities and snitching.

So the guy in the prison did the right thing about Joyce Mitchell? He didn't snitch. What happened to him?
What about that punk a55 8itch Lt. 'G.I. Joe' Gliniewicz? Should they let him keep embezzling from a MENTORING PROGRAM FOR THE KIDS and putting a hit out on thr city manager?!?!?!? Then faking dying in the line of duty stealing his death Benefits from Fox Lake and whatever insurance policy he had? How much did his CRIMES embarrass EVERY ONE WHO HAS EVER WORN A UNIFORM OR DONE ANY VOLUNTARY PUBLIC SERVICE? How much did his ***** *** cost us in the 'manhunt' and ensuing investigations?

I my first memories are from the suburbs (pronounced gang infested slums) of Chicago where my dad was a U.S. Army recruiter. The code of silence, the code of the street, the G code, the blue wall of silence, whatever you call the code (hint...) is just that, a code. Codes don't write themselves, they are written
By PROGRAMMERS. The programmers don't just write the code they reinforce it by adhering to a code of their own, we call that honor amongst thieves.

Wake up.

That means the cops are part of the crime period. If you know and you don't report testify you're liable as an unwilling accomplice at best at worst harboring a fugitive. There's a wide range you can fall into depending on availability at your local private 5 and crime. You have an obligation as a citizen to obey the laws. The police have an obligation too, only when they fail to meet that obligation they get a paycheck. You get a cell if you're lucky a bullet in the head or knife in your chest. See any problems with this?

B.s. Double Standard. They serve, if and when they feel like it or when they haven't met their quota. They protect themselves until somebody gets too greedy (Gliniewicz) and or somebody gets jealous, and or somebody not in on the crime discovers it and finds a price tag on their head.

Why does anybody think the mob/gangster movies end the way they do? Greed and jealousy. That's the G code. The next greedy bastards pick up where the deceased or incarcerated left off and the cycle continues.

The pen that draws that line ran out of ink a long time ago. Gangs retaliate against innocent children or eye witnesses that were otherwise not involved. Whether someone involved cops a plea or not the murder, or whatever retaliation is still a crime.
Here's why this program doesn't work for (the criminal element), and works against everyone.
The 'code of silence' implies that the criminals will police themselves.

It relies on a set of morals for people with little or no morals at all.
(Honor amongst thieves)
It relies on perfect crimes, where no innocents are harmed.
It relies on people with no morals who are criminals as well to protect and uphold civil lawlessness.
It assumes no one will ever get jealous despite having being 5hitted raped robbed beaten locked up left out etc. F'n your old lady... My bad I ain't kno dat was wifey but she slob like a pro san!!!

Every one of these things is impossible. That's the code, the G stands for gullible if you think 'we bout to get paid' . What you bout to get is played.
Whether a snitch who cops a plea bargain gets stitches or chalked scraped and zipped up it causes more people to commit more crimes resulting in more people being locked up. Snitch strike lather rinse repeat.

Where have I in any way made "light of the matter?" I am quite serious. I come from among other things, an Historians background, and I am familiar with all manner of stories of peoples who came to develop self-destructive habits such as this. Explaining why they did so, is one of the things that a researcher can do.

However, only the people here and now, can decide to STOP doing what they learned to do from people who had troubles they no longer suffer from.

You seem to be bringing additional concerns into this as well, which are separate from your original posted item. That is, there is the culture of "anti-snitching," and then there is oppressive situations, such as where local mobs have more power than the police do. They are unrelated. Excusing direct SUPPORT for criminals, which the anti-snitch concept does, isn't the same as avoiding harm to yourself or your loved ones by remaining silent out of fear.

And the latter is NOT a valid excuse to retain the former.

Igor, I agree that being part of the crime vs. being a witness/victim is two separate circumstances. 100%
However, the 'anti-snitch' belief/code/# is being attached to whoever it falls on regardless of their innocence. It's another inherent flaw of the 'code of silence'. Stray bullets kill innocent people. People get nervous jealous scared... Family members of victims want answers, cops get involved and devildog spelled out the rest.
But, every instance where the families of victims are targeted are INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE that the police either don't want to do their job or don't care or they are on the take from the gang/organization. It is their DUTY to serve and PROTECT ALL the people in their jurisdiction, ESPECIALLY the families of victims eye witnesses or uninvolved family members, period. If the cops walk away from a witness and ALLOW them to be killed, they are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE and should be held LEGALLY CULPABLE for the retaliation.
Just like a witness who doesn't testify being an accomplice, an officer or commander who orders withdrawal should be accomplices to whatever retaliation occurs. There are laws, it's their job to ENFORCE those laws and PROTECT the people, so if negligence leads to an attack crime or death they should be charged and sentenced according to the law.
The police don't want to admit they get payoffs from gangs, protect shipments of drugs and guns. Protecting citizens costs them money protecting criminal organizations makes them money every time. A single mother of a child or an old lady might bake them some cookies but gangsters and criminal organizations either pay them off or get all their assets seized. Retaliation against snitches keeps the wheels of crime rolling, guilt by association allows them to pick who they want in charge who they want behind bars and who they want dead. This goes much deeper than most people think or are willing to admit because they don't want to believe it.