Topic: UK Socialist Jeremy Corbyn for 2020?
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Sat 09/12/15 09:32 PM
“Socialist Corbyn wins Labor Part Leadership in landslide”
(by 99.5% Votes)
Source: this morning's 'The Hindu':


Mr. Jeremy Corbyn, will now seek to win support within the party for his radical political and economic agenda.

Scrap tution fees
Re-nationalize railways
Scrap Trident program (Nuclear submarines)
Withdraw from NATO
Nuclear Disarmament
Discrimination against women
Bank of England to print money in large scale
Involve Hamas and Hezbollah in West Asia peace talks

Mr. Corbyn is a ‘dry and wry old leftie’ (Marxist) and believes “we can learn a great deal” from Karl Marx.

He was opposed to 2003 invasion of Iraq under Tony Blair and is against Mr. Cameron’s austerity measures which has seen deep cuts in welfare..

The first act of Mr. Corbyn after the elections was to address a large gathering in support of refugees in Parliament Square

“The party is walking eyes shut, arms outstretched over the cliff’s edge to the jagged rocks below” said Tony Blair to The Guardian.


Much can happen between now & 2020 but if we take France's recent experiment with Hollande's socialism, it does not appear to be working.





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Mon 09/14/15 01:43 AM
��The party is walking eyes shut, arms outstretched over the cliff’s edge to the jagged rocks below” said Tony Blair to The Guardian :thumbsup:

I am not eligible to vote there, but... NO.


waving Bye Now.

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Thu 09/17/15 08:12 AM
Edited by JaiGi on Thu 09/17/15 08:42 AM



it's the writing on Britain's Wall, and perhaps the European Wall..

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Thu 09/17/15 09:02 AM
Scrap tution fees
Re-nationalize railways
Scrap Trident program (Nuclear submarines)
Withdraw from NATO
Nuclear Disarmament
Discrimination against women
Bank of England to print money in large scale
Involve Hamas and Hezbollah in West Asia
peace talks


Is this Corbyn guy the UK version of Bernie Sanders? laugh

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Thu 09/17/15 09:14 AM
is this Corbyn guy the UK version of Bernie Sanders?


before we get into this, please clarify: Is Socialism, 100% Communism?

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Thu 09/17/15 11:12 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 09/17/15 11:18 AM
he is a friggen Communist!

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kincaid/150917

In the same edition that carried the story about Sanders' run for the Democratic presidential nomination, the Washington Post ran a story, "The Bernie Sanders of Britain," about the Marxist who has taken over leadership of the British Labor Party. The online version carried the softer headline, "Leftist Jeremy Corbyn elected leader of Britain's Labour Party." Corbyn "has previously called for Britain to leave NATO, favors unilateral nuclear disarmament and champions the nationalization of vast sectors of the economy, including the railways and the energy industries," the paper reported. Corbyn admires Russia's Vladimir Putin and excuses the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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Thu 09/17/15 11:16 AM

is this Corbyn guy the UK version of Bernie Sanders?


before we get into this, please clarify: Is Socialism, 100% Communism?

Communism is Socialism on Steroids!

Or Socialism is what Budweiser LIGHT is to Budweiser!

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/communism.html

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/socialism.html

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Thu 09/17/15 11:21 AM
In the same edition that carried the story about Sanders' run for the Democratic presidential nomination, the Washington Post ran a story, "The Bernie Sanders of Britain,"
Well I guess that answers my question! laugh Thanks Conrad drinker

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Thu 09/17/15 11:22 AM

In the same edition that carried the story about Sanders' run for the Democratic presidential nomination, the Washington Post ran a story, "The Bernie Sanders of Britain,"
Well I guess that answers my question! laugh Thanks Conrad drinker
:thumbsup:

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Fri 09/18/15 10:25 AM
Edited by JaiGi on Fri 09/18/15 10:32 AM

In the same edition that carried the story about Sanders' run for the Democratic presidential nomination, the Washington Post ran a story, "The Bernie Sanders of Britain,"


Not so sure. May apply to USA but not quite on rest-of-world
considering economy.

Communism is Socialism on Steroids!
Or Socialism is what Budweiser LIGHT is to Budweiser!


:smile: Alright, that's a caution note but somethings bother me..
How about walking me through primary levels? So please correct me where
it's wrong.

1. Communism is a single party rule: China
China has a 2+ billion population.
It appears to me if the Chinese had 'free will' the 'one-child-rule pops off & pop could double within 9 months!!! In other words, a small change in policy and there's a huge ripple effect. I would think, we need the Chinese to stay communist.

2. India. It's a Multi-Party affair with major parties forming a coalition with smaller parties to 'prove their majority' in the Lower House.
Result: Energy lost in gaining consensus, political will of the PM eroded.
So Socialism is considered here as the 'middle path'

Allow me: In this Eastern world, down with religious dogmas and so on, the average person does not has comparable education with the westerner. So we end up electing royalty and film stars rather than social workers, lawyers and others with proven professional competencies.

So we have socialism which is a mix of Public and Private sectors and as the economy grows more areas are opened up for private (hopefully)

3. USA: The 'Off the People, By the People..' is reasonable cause the voting public is on an average well educated. The fact is democracy is practically limited to 2 parties; but within the parties they have primaries and that probably makes a 'world of a difference'.

4. Europe: The Europeans have seen it all.
It seems, they adorn Socialism when the economic conditions of the public so demand. Bread is shared.

Smaller countries like Greece, could never withstand anything like the 'Great Depression' & we're seeing it. So it's austerity that calls in Socialism; although by the time they get there, the country is near bankrupt. But in European democracy, unlike Russian Politburo, the socialists like Jeremy Corbyn could never go to the extreme & seize power like the Communist. The Constitution limits them. So as and when the economy reverses, the electoral is in expansionist mood and reverts back to the right wing.

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So in a sense 'Capitalism' or 'Socialism' is a business policy
and quite different from un-fettered Capitalism of Wall Street merchants / Banks and on the other extreme Single Party Dictatorship. Railways are nationalized else people loose jobs. In UK, the Government closed down the BBC while increasing the salary of the Royal Highness!!!

So Socialism is not communism off steroids but a situational policy, Something that older people like Sander's feel, the time has come to rebuild the character of the Nation before it moves forward to the next boom cycle. On similar lines, Gandhiji in India lamented that he wished he could have delayed the Independence from British Rule so that the Indian Public truly appreciated the responsibilities that come with freedom and democracy; not just strikes and dissent.

India had been ruled for over 1000 years by Hindu Kings, 500 years by Muslims in Delhi & 400 years by the Brits. Today, with around 60 years of socialism, we are in a position to de-nationalize many of our Government run institutions!!!

So in a sense, Socialism is a pause to unfettered capitalism; else a nation would move from one orgy to the next. And Amtrak's & BBC's that is lost to the next generation.