Topic: Mental Illness
germanchoclate1981's photo
Tue 09/01/15 05:22 PM

I'll sign the petition to bring back involuntary electro conclusive therapy for the mentally ill.
bigsmile

I don't think that would help the issue, a jury may find that they were coerced to reach a conclusion by means of external involuntary voltage. think

germanchoclate1981's photo
Tue 09/01/15 05:23 PM
Sorry Gnome, I couldn't help myself.

InvictusV's photo
Tue 09/01/15 05:44 PM

Yes invictus this did happen. If you look at the video of that one protest during that specific chant you will also see that those marching in front of the banner some holding the banner and some behind the banner are white. Marching hand in hand chanting alongside the black protesters.

The Sheriff in the incident in Texas had a fair chance on national tv to respond to criticism to specific questions from specific named critics. His responses are listed above. The particular response that he conveyed to anyone watching or reading is,

"Clearly, my agenda is to make sure that we tone down the temperament of all rhetoric when it gets so inflammatory."


There are plenty of whites involved in this. I am certain that at some point the elite white progressives will start financing it as it was shown they were doing by paying people to protest in Ferguson.

They aren't doing it because they care about black lives they are doing it because they want a destabilized society.

Chaos and fear make them money.

germanchoclate1981's photo
Tue 09/01/15 05:50 PM


Yes invictus this did happen. If you look at the video of that one protest during that specific chant you will also see that those marching in front of the banner some holding the banner and some behind the banner are white. Marching hand in hand chanting alongside the black protesters.

The Sheriff in the incident in Texas had a fair chance on national tv to respond to criticism to specific questions from specific named critics. His responses are listed above. The particular response that he conveyed to anyone watching or reading is,

"Clearly, my agenda is to make sure that we tone down the temperament of all rhetoric when it gets so inflammatory."


There are plenty of whites involved in this. I am certain that at some point the elite white progressives will start financing it as it was shown they were doing by paying people to protest in Ferguson.

They aren't doing it because they care about black lives they are doing it because they want a destabilized society.

Chaos and fear make them money.

I do know for a fact that the majority of people arrested after the poorly scheduled announcement of the verdict were from outside Ferguson some from as far away as New York. I have not seen any proof that protesters were compensated to protest and or riot.

TMommy's photo
Tue 09/01/15 05:56 PM
DSM 5 is the newest addition APA is using
but it changes every so often
do I think mental illness is more prevalent now

I think it's diagnosed more often now
I think statistically there are more adults on some form of medication for such things as depression, anxiety now
I think over years going to therapy has lost some of it's social stigma

germanchoclate1981's photo
Tue 09/01/15 06:29 PM

DSM 5 is the newest addition APA is using
but it changes every so often
do I think mental illness is more prevalent now

I think it's diagnosed more often now
I think statistically there are more adults on some form of medication for such things as depression, anxiety now
I think over years going to therapy has lost some of it's social stigma

There is a natural medicine with few negative side effects but it's not legally available in all states.

TMommy's photo
Tue 09/01/15 06:32 PM
ya mean the home grown kind ya gotta carry a medical card for?
yes I have heard of that..

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Tue 09/01/15 06:38 PM
I am wondering...

Who are licensed to diagnose and prescribe treatment for psych / mental illnesses?

And whose are recognized legally and by insurances?

Rock's photo
Tue 09/01/15 07:08 PM
I'm really starting to dislike the "auto select" and auto correct functions on my phone.

My earlier post, was suppose to have said electro *convulsive* therapy.

TMommy's photo
Tue 09/01/15 07:30 PM

I am wondering...

Who are licensed to diagnose and prescribe treatment for psych / mental illnesses?

And whose are recognized legally and by insurances?
licensed therapist, counselor or psychologist might work for mental health clinics but psychiatrists of course are the ones who can prescribe meds

germanchoclate1981's photo
Tue 09/01/15 07:55 PM

I'm really starting to dislike the "auto select" and auto correct functions on my phone.

My earlier post, was suppose to have said electro *convulsive* therapy.

It happens. More often than not it's annoying but it's purpose is noble.

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Tue 09/01/15 11:29 PM


I am wondering...

Who are licensed to diagnose and prescribe treatment for psych / mental illnesses?

And whose are recognized legally and by insurances?
licensed therapist, counselor or psychologist might work for mental health clinics but psychiatrists of course are the ones who can prescribe meds


But all of them can conduct psychotherapy, right?

Do courts of law and insurance claims recognize diagnoses made by non-psychiatrists?

Ladywind7's photo
Wed 09/02/15 12:00 AM
Are you exclusively asking about the USA Panstilly?

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Wed 09/02/15 12:07 AM
Edited by Pansytilly on Wed 09/02/15 12:21 AM

Are you exclusively asking about the USA Panstilly?


any...im comparing.

it would be interesting to know the demographics and what may relate to over or under diagnosis and treatment, as well as legal implications on crime and liability claims.

im actually looking at the difference between the US vs WHO classification for mental disorders. we follow the DSM criteria here, but i know, UK and Aussie follow WHO... i do notice that US has more claims of mental illness than most other countries. not sure if it's because of media and/or under/over-reports or if it is actual cases or health care system-related...

Ladywind7's photo
Wed 09/02/15 12:45 AM
Edited by Ladywind7 on Wed 09/02/15 12:49 AM
I think counselors are not qualified as psychotherapists/psychologists are.
It would depend on the psychiatrist and whether he/she would opt to go into that area of cognitive therapy.
In New Zealand psychologists can diagnose, but when it comes to criminal acts and needing a psychiatric examination...I would guess both would work as a team.
Also most therapists etc are a team, they collectively diagnose with each other as mentors/supervisors.
I know nothing about insurance, crime etc and that area... You could try a thread on it flowerforyou

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Wed 09/02/15 01:08 AM

I think counselors are not qualified as psychotherapists/psychologists are.
It would depend on the psychiatrist and whether he/she would opt to go into that area of cognitive therapy.
In New Zealand psychologists can diagnose, but when it comes to criminal acts and needing a psychiatric examination...I would guess both would work as a team.
Also most therapists etc are a team, they collectively diagnose with each other as mentors/supervisors.
I know nothing about insurance, crime etc and that area... You could try a thread on it flowerforyou


flowerforyou

i was trying to relate the problem of over-diagnosis and over-treatment with msharmony's original posting


point being,, is mental illness becoming more common? if so whats to be done about it? whats changed to trigger such an increase? Do we need to be including anger management/problem coping type instruction in our schools along with 'home economics' and 'physical education'?

it SEEMS like people are much quicker to fly off the handle and harm or threaten others,,,,,,and kids are choosing suicide when facing the obstacles of childhood,,,


do you consider it an issue at all and if so what types of solutions might we try?(we, meaning as a community)


considering the issues that DSM criteria has to begin with, and that now, a 5th version of it is out with more issues raised on its manner of diagnosis...i do think it is a cause of higher incidence of mental illness in the US, aside from "advantages" that can be had by people desiring a "quick fix", insurance, pharmaceuticals, diagnosing bodies and institutions, and those seeking to lower criminal liability.

how this will affect on a global scale remains to be seen, but it is an issue that can be manipulated with the right incentive.

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regarding children and suicide...i stumbled upon these articles recently...
http://www.businessinsider.com/september-1-may-be-the-deadliest-day-for-japans-schoolchildren-2015-9
http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/sept-1-sees-more-teen-suicides-than-any-other-day


germanchoclate1981's photo
Wed 09/02/15 01:17 AM


I think counselors are not qualified as psychotherapists/psychologists are.
It would depend on the psychiatrist and whether he/she would opt to go into that area of cognitive therapy.
In New Zealand psychologists can diagnose, but when it comes to criminal acts and needing a psychiatric examination...I would guess both would work as a team.
Also most therapists etc are a team, they collectively diagnose with each other as mentors/supervisors.
I know nothing about insurance, crime etc and that area... You could try a thread on it flowerforyou


flowerforyou

i was trying to relate the problem of over-diagnosis and over-treatment with msharmony's original posting


point being,, is mental illness becoming more common? if so whats to be done about it? whats changed to trigger such an increase? Do we need to be including anger management/problem coping type instruction in our schools along with 'home economics' and 'physical education'?

it SEEMS like people are much quicker to fly off the handle and harm or threaten others,,,,,,and kids are choosing suicide when facing the obstacles of childhood,,,


do you consider it an issue at all and if so what types of solutions might we try?(we, meaning as a community)


considering the issues that DSM criteria has to begin with, and that now, a 5th version of it is out with more issues raised on its manner of diagnosis...i do think it is a cause of higher incidence of mental illness in the US, aside from "advantages" that can be had by people desiring a "quick fix", insurance, pharmaceuticals, diagnosing bodies and institutions, and those seeking to lower criminal liability.

how this will affect on a global scale remains to be seen, but it is an issue that can be manipulated with the right incentive.

----------

regarding children and suicide...i stumbled upon these articles recently...
http://www.businessinsider.com/september-1-may-be-the-deadliest-day-for-japans-schoolchildren-2015-9
http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/sept-1-sees-more-teen-suicides-than-any-other-day



Very sad for the friends families and classmates.

Ladywind7's photo
Wed 09/02/15 02:27 AM
I am beginning to think school will need to teach anger management, or at least the law to children.
My town is small. 50,000 population. Today a friends 16 year old daughter left to go to school. Her 16 year old classmate was waiting for her down her street and assaulted her.
The violent assailant is not mentally ill. But the victim is, she is battling depression and suicidal thoughts.
If parents are not teaching the upcoming generation these things, who will?

germanchoclate1981's photo
Wed 09/02/15 06:44 PM

I am beginning to think school will need to teach anger management, or at least the law to children.
My town is small. 50,000 population. Today a friends 16 year old daughter left to go to school. Her 16 year old classmate was waiting for her down her street and assaulted her.
The violent assailant is not mentally ill. But the victim is, she is battling depression and suicidal thoughts.
If parents are not teaching the upcoming generation these things, who will?

Hopefully Ben Carson, as Surgeon General

no photo
Wed 09/02/15 06:49 PM
Is there even such a thing as mental illness or are we just becoming soft and making excuses for people.