Manners are Manners and ppl should teach respect or just stay home. jmo

haha my son had to teach granpa to say please and thank you!!!!

Alot of folks seem to have forgoten what common curtisy is.And its not just about how they treat thier kids.Its everywhere! And the seniors can be just as bad!

not a damn thing wrong with that..I use to get in sooo much trouble cause i refused to say "yes ma'am" and "no ma'am" lol

My girls knew better than to act like that in a restaurant, even though my older daughter is bi-polar. They would get "that look" too and would stop.


Once when we went out with a guy I was seeing and a few of his friends and the kids of the female friend. She ignored her son's bad behavior, and let him sit there and throw whatever he could get his hands on. Then my daughter told him: "Mommy doesn't let us have silverware, so we have to give it to her." Then she asked for plasticware for herself and the other kids at the table.......she was 7 at the time, and I never asked for their silverware before. She said she didn't want to get hit with the sharp knife.

Ha! Your daughter is smart Eileena!

I myself have two boys...but i would have held the door open for the kid and hoped the parents followed.

My boys haven't acted like that in a restaurant. BUT my oldest did act like a monster when we went to get a hair cut. OMG i was MORTIFIED!!!

Drew,
Also keep in mind that there are laws that make it hard to disciple children in the public arena. I'm not saying we beat our kids, it just with you being in the public eye, its hard to do anything for fear of what someone will say or do.
Example:

I was at a Wal-Mart grocery shopping. We, I was married at the time, in there about an hour (big store.. hehe), and for the last 1/2 hour, my oldest son was pushing, hitting, kicking his younger brother. We were almost done when he pushed me too far... he knocked his brother into some shelves with jars on them hurting the his borther. So I took him over my knee and spanked him open handed on the toosh 2 times.
Out of nowhere so A-hole came up with a phone talking to a 911 operator saying he was witnessing me beating my kids. They another came up saying I was doing the same thing. Then the guy got in my face pushing me around a bit, telling the operator I was trying to hit him. So, I just wanted to defuse the situation, I started heading to the checkout. The whole time this Jack-A** was on my ars. Then he did the unthinkable...
with my youngest son in my wife's arms, he pushed her. I didn't get a chance to do anything cuz she was on his right in his face. Finally the asst mgr showed up, but he wouldn't keep this guy off us. So with over $300 in groceries in the cart, I felt the best thing to do was me go outside with the boys and wait for the police, and her stay in the checkout. Now can you imagine all the glares we were getting, and rude comments we were getting... now multiply it by 10. It was horrible... so then while I was outside, the jerk-off started back up on my wife called her some very colorful metaphors and the asst mgr wasn't doing a thing about it. So, I told her to leave the groceries and come wait with me outside.
Once the officer arrived, we met him at the door and let him take the oldest away to talk with him. Then he came back and talked to me. Fortunately, my son doesn't lie and our stories were similar. I was within my rights to open-handedly spank my son. I was also fortunate that the true only witness to the scene was a personal friend of the officer saying he was the only one on the isle during the spanking. So, once the officer talked to the subject that called, he found that the guy was actually on drugs and was drunk. I was released without incident and the poor bastage that made the call was booked into jail.
I later wrote a note to the Regional office of Wal-mart regarding the improper actions of the asst mgr. When we when back to the store about a month later, the asst mgr was fired the day after my incident.
Ok, to the parents out there... I don't spank hard and I haven't needed to do so in years. It was a moment much needed so my son knows who is in charge and knows I won't tolerate his type of action.
Anyway, it was great satisfaction knowing that the two that tried to crumble me, got crumbled themselves.

I think the parents needed to take control of their child but sometimes its hard... sorry you had to experience the incident!

Here's the deal, when I was a child, if you pulled something like that...then you got your a$$ tore up, right then and there. This swing to "nice love" will not work. society proves that. Now you have kids on ritlin and what have you...simply because they were not taught manners by their parents, the old saying "spare the rod spoil the child" applies here. Think about this, you never saw children in the sixties and seventies on mind/mood altering drugs, and thats exactly where this kid is headed. I was never blessed with kids, but i was raised in a good home, with good parents. I'm 47, i do not hold any grudge for any spanking i ever received. I'm thankful for it. They are not doing the child a favor by catering to his tantrums. They are in fact turning their back on their responsibilities as adults. One thing further...you don't have to beat a child, you spank them, you be firm, and they learn...simple concept...worked for years.

Mark... very well stated!! I agree with you.

Is anybody else a John Rosemond fan?

Wize,
Sorry YOU had to go through that. i think your actions/reactions were well done.

im surprised the parents didnt themselves just leave the restauraunt (with the kid)

Thanks LuckyMe.

I learned two big things from it... 1) I know my parental rights in WA, and 2) if you raise your kids right, they'll be honest, disciplined, and loving towards eachother and others. they were brought into this world without a say, and it is our job as parents to raise then to respect everyone.

I am blessed to have two wonderful young men. My ex and I still raise them together (joint custody) so they constantly have two parents around them. I think its unfortuante for the single parents, but kudos for them because its a big responsibilty doing it solo!!

Oh... how I love to ramble... lol

21 years ago i spanked my son's ass in a dennys i didnt get arrested i got applauded and my son never acted up again americans need to take their children back from the government

I hear that Beachdog!!

Soooo true!!! My guys know not to piss me off and I don't even smack em any more. Now, it's respect.

my children will never plan a school shooting

Ramble on all you want wize, some people out there need to read it. What is taught at an early age, is the foundation for self discipline. Too many people do not take the time to instill this in their children. This is the reason for the decline in morals in this country, and I suppose maybe other countries as well. There are other factors, divorce plays a big part in it. Once again, here is a trickle down effect of morals. in the late seventies/early eighties, divorce became a common practice. The lack of shall we say sticktoitiveness. It's all about "me" the "me" generation. What people need to realize, is the examples set are very closely followed by young people. Single parents, simply cannot be there 24/7. Now, this is not to say that someone should stay in an abusive relationship. But it does define, one of the reasons for decline in morals and values. And in this particular instance, is not the fault of the single parent, because at this point, they are also a victim of circumstance. Sad but true.

Agreed, Mark!

You have great insight!