No No No! One little point doesn't make a whole picture.

Relax... !

You've just got to 'point-out' the one little point that isn't compatible among what should be a prerequisite among Christian congregations to the same extent that it currently is in a Mosque for example.

Once more... "What's wrong with women covering their heads during prayer ?"

(1st Corinthians 11: 7-16)

We are using the same scriptures and coming up with two different idea's. I think the covering on a woman is long hair, you seem to think it is a veil or bonnet.
That part really doesn't matter to me. What I think is important is, when people take things out of context religion gets twisted pretty fast.

These verses are not at all speaking of a "veil". It is specifically speaking of her hair covering her head which is shown directly in the context of verses

14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.


And this verse doesn't directly it is sinful or necessarily wrong for a man to have long hair which is shown in the following verse

16But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

These are cultural "customs" not a direct statement from God for it to be as such.

Contentious - causing or likely to cause an argument; controversial

A law directly from God would not include "But if any man seem to be likely to argue about it, it's ok. It would state it plainly for it to be either way.

Okay, but how often is it the assumption that a woman has short hair or is bald just because she's wearing a head covering ?

Isn't it the vainglorious act of displaying the extravagant hair the potential distraction ?

(It Would Help Prevent Split-Ends And Fly-Away Hair Too)

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Perhaps Cheechako and CowboyGH both need to read what is just before these verses.

(1st Corinthians 11: 4-6)

Nothing here implying extravagant hair is somehow sufficient as the head covering for prayer.

Who ever said anything about a "head covering" as in a hat, thing you have on your head in your display pic, or other? Says for her head to be covered, and it shows it's context when it also references the man in which it specifically states hair. They are talking about the SAME thing. It's saying a woman should have long hair and not to cut it short, have her head "covered" by her hair.

Did You actually read the previous mentioned scriptures ?

Yes sir, did you?

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Why would it be talking about hats, veils, ect then out of the blue speak of a woman to be "shorn or shaven" if it wasn't head hair in reference in the first place?

Again, this is CUSTOMS of that culture, not instruction specifically from God. As for it states "if a woman not be covered, let her also be.." BUT IF it be a shame for a woman... ect ect...

Jewish customs my friend, customs. Not laws.

You're forgetting this letter is addressed to Gentiles in Corinth Greece.

This is not specifically a Jewish custom.

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You've gotta be reading a paraphrased Bible again... Your quotes are really messed-up.

Ok, it may not be a "Jewish" custom or whatever custom it is doesn't matter. All I'm stating, is that's a cultural custom.. not an instruction from God. No where in the scriptures does it say that a woman should have their head covered when praying. At least not in the NT as that's what we're referencing... "Christians". This specific verse(s) say "if this" "if that"... there is no where it states something of such as "woman shall have her head covered when praying" and no more talk on it as a direct instruction for it to be.... these verses say again "if a woman this" "if a woman that"

We are told to obey man's law as well, believe this is where this specific information would lay for again it says -

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

"But if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven"... Saying if it's a shame for the woman to be shaved then she should wear a veil over her head to hide her shaven head.

The "but if" in the instruction shows plainly it's a custom and not a direct law from God.

With this logic One would think that a man would have to shave his head for as often as he needs to pray.

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If I were You, CowboyGH... I'd get some other translations of these verses other than the paraphrased verses You're presently trying to make sense with.

1 Corinthians 11

4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

Seems like you're correct Sheik :)

These verse are not referring to specifically just any ole day. They are speaking of when preaching, prophesying, praying ect.

That's why it says if the woman is shaven for her to cover her head. But again, just cultural regulations.

When I was a kid there were lots of women who wore a head-square in church and these women were usually viewed as more serious minded, but toward the end these older women passed-on and very few ever took-up the same resolve.

Not sure, I know Jews do. So it's possible that's an old testament law to cover their head. Which technically "Christians" wouldn't follow, as that covenant is finished.

Here's a thought...

How often have You ever seen a painting or religious Icon of The Virgin Mary without a cloth of some sort on her head ?

(Not That I'm Advocating Icons In Worship)

Annunciation, 1914, John William Waterhouse
Annunciation, 1898, Henry Ossawa Tanner
Annunciation, 1434, Jan Van Eyck
Annunciation, John Collier
Annunciation, 1855 Dante Gabriel Rossetti
Annunciation, 1879, Edward Burne-Jones
Annunciation, Fra Angelica, circa 1433
Annunciation, 1452, Petrus Christus

Well, that covers about the last half of the millennium among religious icons of Mary.

why fancy covering and makeup?.....

WoW!!! Amazing discussion you have here. Very beautiful! What will all these help with salvation for the others? What it help others people who searching for love and grace of GOD? Is the VEIL that safe us of sin? Why you all don't dress completely like God says in the time of MOSES? Absolon hair,Samson hair!!! Are they short? We are living in a new old world. Destroying earth. And you people are still talking about things who doesn't help with nothing. I saw some of yours are here about or more than 3 years. And still argued about those things. hmm!! WoW!! Unbelievable. Every dressing represent who you are now. Whatever I have as dress I must preach the gospel. God bless you all.

Why the rant, Mich1113 ?


Merely, one subject among many.

What shall we pick-n-chose among Your loving words about what is needed for salvation... ?

Absalom's long hair... ?

Long enough to get tangled in the bough of a tree as he rode by it and hung himself ?