lol, his daddy didn't finish the job, so of course he wanted to...Saddam needed to be taken out... your trying to connect the dots that aren't even there...

It has been extensively documented that the White House decided to invade Iraq before 9/11:

Former CIA director George Tenet said that the White House wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, and inserted “crap” in its justifications for invading Iraq. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill – who sat on the National Security Council – also says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. Top British officials say that the U.S. discussed Iraq regime change even before Bush took office. And in 2000, Cheney said a Bush administration might “have to take military action to forcibly remove Saddam from power.” And see this.

Cheney made Iraqi’s oil fields a national security priority before 9/11. And the Sunday Herald reported: “Five months before September 11, the US advocated using force against Iraq … to secure control of its oil.” (remember that Alan Greenspan, John McCain, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, a high-level National Security Council officer and others all say that the Iraq war was really about oil.)

Indeed, neoconservatives planned regime change in Iraq – and throughout the Middle East and North Africa – 20 years ago.

George W. Bush, John McCain, Sarah Palin, a high-level National Security Council officer, Alan Greenspan and others all say that the Iraq war was really about oil.

But war is sold just like soda or toothpaste … and so a false justification needs to be concocted.

The government tried to falsely blame the anthrax attacks on Iraq as a justification for war:

When Congress was originally asked to pass the Patriot Act in late 2001, the anthrax attacks which occurred only weeks earlier were falsely blamed on spooky Arabs as a way to scare Congress members into approving the bill. Specifically:

The FBI was actually told to blame Anthrax scare on Al Qaeda by White House officials

High-level government insiders pointed towards Iraq as the source of the anthrax, even though there was absolutely no reason to think that the anthrax had come from Iraq

And:

George Bush throughout 2002 routinely featured “anthrax” as one of Saddam’s scary weapons.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, President Bush and VP Cheney all falsely linked Iraq with 9/11 … and the entire torture program was aimed at establishing such a false linkage.

A new book by NBC News and Newsweek investigative reporter Michael Isikoff adds details, including a memo written by Rumsfeld in November 2001 – a year and a quarter before the start of the Iraq war – asking how to start a war against Iraq, and suggesting as one potential “justification” for war:

i still fail to get your point here... of course they were going to war, they didn't finish the job the first time... what are you so mad about? why all this mess about a 15 year old war? they were going to invade Iraq, regardless of 9-11... your making up all these dots that are not there... you don't know what was false or not, your just reading the CT sites and agreeing with it...


look at it this way: Saddam was gassing his own people, getting ready to start major wars in the mid-east, trying to control ALL the oil from the mid east... there was no way the free world was going to let Saddam control all the oil, thats why just about every nation participated in it in some way or another... stay off the CT sites, they are not helping you...

not trying to get into an argument moe. people disagree, and thats ok.

i'm just saying, if your so worried about lies, try focusing on our currant dictator... he's lied more that both bushes put together... plus, the bushes don't matter anymore, their lies can't really hurt you now...9-11 doesn't matter anymore, its over and done with, like the bushes...there's nothing anyone is going to prove one way or another about it, so i would try and focus on the currant/future problems...

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i agree 90% with what you said. but to me 9/11 does matter because the whole story stinks to high heaven, IMO. and i agree obama is worse than bush, or at the very minimum, just as bad. i feel obama is worse though because he continued what bush started, and has became progressively worse than bush. obama has so many scandals that you cant even keep track of of them and its just became normal to everyone. but thats a subject for another thread. as far as the TSA goes, they should be dismantled as they serve no legitimate purpose as shown by previous demonstrations. they allow terrorists to work for them, and fail to detect people who would normally be a threat to traveling. IMO that proves they arent effective and not needed.

the TSA has it's main function... people know it's there, so they don't try to get away with things as much... like putting a cop in a store, the robberies go way down with the cop just being seen... but the only thing the TSA has done for me is keep me from flying now... there's no way i will buy a plane ticket for anything as long as they are around...

i hear ya, i also dont like having to go through those x-ray chamber things.

And despite the fact that I'M the one that cited that specific example as something that doesn't work, you still think it's necessary to state this?

"Miserably"? Alright.

BUT !!

Completely?
Perhaps not.

Simply knowing they're there, may have discouraged 09/11/01 style skyjack terror.

We don't know if the TSA discouraged anyone.

What we DO know is; there has not been any 09/11/01 style skyjackings in TSA's jurisdiction since the TSA took station.

There's clearly room for improvement, and even privatization.
But abandoning airline security would probably be unwise.

If you take a test and get 5% correct what would you call that? You almost passed?

I know a little about security and I can say that a 95% failure rate is miserably atrocious by any measureable standard.

TSA presence may have kept people away, but they sure as hell won't be worried now knowing how god awful they are at finding anything that can actually bring down a plane..

There needs to be security at airports. There needs not be government run unionized mall cops parading as FBI agents.

in their defense, they do no how to take the fingernail clippers and water bottles away...

They can get new jobs working at target as loss prevention officers..