Topic: In 3 weeks, nearly half of Kazakhstan's antelopes dead.
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Sun 05/31/15 07:55 AM
Why have 121000 antelopes in Kazakhstan suddenly dropped dead?
Christian Science Monitor - ‎25 minutes ago‎

Just three weeks ago, there were thought to be about 300,000 saiga roaming the Kazakh steppes. Now, nearly 121,000 carcasses have been discovered.

Natural pathogen?
Terrorist activity?

Much of the U.S. chicken and egg production is currently affected by what's been called the worst disease outbreak (bird flu) of its kind in U.S. history.

Please, please, PLEASE pardon the pun, but should we expect foul play in either of these cases?

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Sun 05/31/15 08:01 AM

Why have 121000 antelopes in Kazakhstan suddenly dropped dead?
Christian Science Monitor - ‎25 minutes ago‎

Just three weeks ago, there were thought to be about 300,000 saiga roaming the Kazakh steppes. Now, nearly 121,000 carcasses have been discovered.

Natural pathogen?
Terrorist activity?

Much of the U.S. chicken and egg production is currently affected by what's been called the worst disease outbreak (bird flu) of its kind in U.S. history.

Please, please, PLEASE pardon the pun, but should we expect foul play in either of these cases?


Hhumm , Yes ,I find this very disturbing... looking into it. Please post any updates.

Btw... are they missing/ disappearing or are there corpses?

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Sun 05/31/15 08:07 AM

The brief article says:
121,000 carcasses have been discovered.

I gather Kazakhstan doesn't have research facilities like our Centers for Disease Control.
Perhaps we can help out.

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Sun 05/31/15 08:14 AM


Why have 121000 antelopes in Kazakhstan suddenly dropped dead?
Christian Science Monitor - ‎25 minutes ago‎

Just three weeks ago, there were thought to be about 300,000 saiga roaming the Kazakh steppes. Now, nearly 121,000 carcasses have been discovered.

Natural pathogen?
Terrorist activity?

Much of the U.S. chicken and egg production is currently affected by what's been called the worst disease outbreak (bird flu) of its kind in U.S. history.

Please, please, PLEASE pardon the pun, but should we expect foul play in either of these cases?


Hhumm , Yes ,I find this very disturbing... looking into it. Please post any updates.

Btw... are they missing/ disappearing or are there corpses?

I'm aware of the bird flu epidemic. Killing mostly reproductive females/ egg layers. I find THAT very odd too. spock

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Sun 05/31/15 08:35 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Sun 05/31/15 08:36 AM
LTme ,I found at least 8 articles on this, apparently this has been happening the entire month of MAY & in at least 3 counties. So far, adding them up... over 190,000 antelope, & 2 species. * also happening in South America *



Google - Dead Antelope Europe.


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Sun 05/31/15 08:40 AM
"I find THAT very odd too." S2

But the bird flu is nothing new.
- The disease is well known to scientists.
- They know what we have to do to get rid of it.
- We're in the midst of doing that (and are running out of places to put the corpses).

The 121k saiga die-off is here-to-fore unexplained.
And three weeks suggests to me, it's either a massive terrorist effort (unlikely), or a very contagious and fast-acting pathogen.

Matter of fact:
It's not uncommon to rate toxins by "LD:50".
It simply means; how much of a dose is needed to kill half (50%) of the population.

It seems we may already be there at the Kazakh steppes.

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Sun 05/31/15 08:42 AM
PS
Alarming indeed S2.

I hope our CDC gets in on it.

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Sun 05/31/15 08:52 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Sun 05/31/15 08:55 AM

PS
Alarming indeed S2.

I hope our CDC gets in on it.


Read the WHO organization before the CDC, IMO. Just keep in mind that NOT all countries are required to report to the WHO.

Now, if you want a scare, read how OUR military accidentally (? spock ) delivered AMTRAX samples to the wrong states.
Take a guess, which ones ? * Hint*
2-3 are Code RED on the maps already.... months ago.

frustrated


* what Coming to a Walmart near you * God forbid. scared


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Sun 05/31/15 09:09 AM
I'm not an expert on it S2.
But I thought WHO was rather more a U.N. related agency that was heavier on bureaucracy and standards than on lab work.
But I'm not sure.

Yes.
The anthrax problem was well publicized here.
I'm not to worried about it.

I don't know, but gather the anthrax at issue isn't weaponized.
Jam a long-spout funnel down someone's trachea and dump a bucket of this anthrax material down there, it might sicken them.

But I gather just splashing it around a shopping center might not harm anyone.
These were lab-samples, not weapons per se.

AND
While that scandal may bet much bigger before it gets smaller; they're on it. I believe they'll tune it up now.

Back to the Kazakh steppes:
The bird flu (the strain at issue here) reportedly does not sicken humans; so the risk is to our livestock, and our food supply; not ourselves and our neighbors.

BUT !!

This other deal; if it's a bio-pathogen, might it transfer from there to domestic livestock?
Or perhaps even to us?
On Monday we're fine.
3 weeks later, we're dead?

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Sun 05/31/15 09:52 AM
Here is another article on it....

"" The sudden deaths of tens of thousands of
endangered antelopes in Kazakhstan over the
past two weeks have left scientists
scrambling for answers and conservationists
worried about the animal's future.
More than 120,000 rare saiga antelopes —
more than a third of the total global
population — have been wiped out in a
devastating blow that the United Nations
Environment Programme has called
"catastrophic".
Scientists are struggling to put their finger on
the exact nature of the disease that has felled
entire herds, but say findings point towards
an infectious disease caused by various
bacteria.
Kazakhstan's prime minister Karim Massimov
has set up a working group including
international experts to establish reasons for
the deaths and oversee disinfection of lands
in the three regions where the saiga died.
UN experts said the mass deaths come down
to "a combination of biological and
environmental factors".
Any infections have likely been exacerbated
by recent rains that have made the antelopes
less able to cope with diseases.
"Unseasonal wetness may have been
something that lowered their immunity to
infection but until we do more analysis we
will not know anything for sure," Steffen
Zuther of the Altyn Dala Conservation
Initiative said.
The rate of the deaths has staggered those
who have studied the species.
"A 100 per cent mortality for the herds
affected is extraordinary," professor Richard
Kock from the Royal Veterinary College in
London said.
"We are dealing with creatures that have
fairly low resilience."
Numbers could take a decade to
recover
The sudden spate of deaths has come as an
upset to conservationists, who had hailed the
prosperity of saiga antelopes herds as a
conservation success.
Before the first reports of mass deaths in
mid-May, saiga numbers in Kazakhstan had
exploded from an estimated 20,000 in 2003
to the more than 250,000.
In 1993, there were more than 1 million saiga
antelopes, mostly concentrated in the steppe
land of Kazakhstan, neighbouring Russia and
Mongolia.
The susceptibility of the population since
then has raised extinction fears and the saiga
is listed as critically endangered by the
International Union for Conservation of
Nature (IUCN).
Scientists have estimated that it will take a
decade for the antelope numbers to recover
from the recent deaths.
Herds that have not yet been struck down are
thought to be safe for the moment, but
scientists are hoping the beasts can avoid
the threat of even more potent diseases, such
as the morbillivirus, an epidemic of which
swept across neighbouring China last year.""
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-30/mass-deaths-antelopes-kazakhstan-stir-conservation-fears/6509162

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Sun 05/31/15 10:25 AM

I'm not an expert on it S2.
But I thought WHO was rather more a U.N. related agency that was heavier on bureaucracy and standards than on lab work.
But I'm not sure.

Yes.
The anthrax problem was well publicized here.
I'm not to worried about it.

I don't know, but gather the anthrax at issue isn't weaponized.
Jam a long-spout funnel down someone's trachea and dump a bucket of this anthrax material down there, it might sicken them.

But I gather just splashing it around a shopping center might not harm anyone.
These were lab-samples, not weapons per se.

AND
While that scandal may bet much bigger before it gets smaller; they're on it. I believe they'll tune it up now.

Back to the Kazakh steppes:
The bird flu (the strain at issue here) reportedly does not sicken humans; so the risk is to our livestock, and our food supply; not ourselves and our neighbors.

BUT !!

This other deal; if it's a bio-pathogen, might it transfer from there to domestic livestock?
Or perhaps even to us?
On Monday we're fine.
3 weeks later, we're dead?

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I'm sorry... I just realized you don't know my semi warped sense of humor yet. I joke ' that all things lead back to Walmart' ( Tunnels, JadeHelm... Muslims shooters..) pick a topic or a Conspiracy theory
laugh

The bird flu..- reportedly has not passed to live stock & is not a threat to humans. I agree. But 'reportedly' is the key word.
But chicken , turkeys, ducks are livestock. * as far as food*

Amtrax: kills livestock

Antelope : a grazing animal, even that can be eaten ( Kosher as Venison )


We are in big trouble, IMO
Land & sea / water & air .. creatures.


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Sun 05/31/15 10:40 AM
" all things lead back to Walmart " S2

Everybody knows that already.

I just don't want to be a vegetarian.



Mmmmm yummy!!