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Topic: addictions Opinions...
mysticalview21's photo
Tue 04/14/15 07:38 PM
Edited by mysticalview21 on Tue 04/14/15 07:43 PM
why do you think some people can beat addictions and some do not have the will power to ...

I get some just don't want to ... I get some have tried and then fall off the wagon as they say ... I get some that almost die and then decide to not go back to the addiction ...

I have heard people have to hit rock bottom and still do not stop the addiction ...
I thought a long time ago...

I read everyone has some sort of addiction an its like a hereditary gene... do you believe that is true ... do you believe everyone has the will power to end the addiction ... being our mind is a very powerful source and we should be able to... and we know addictions can be very harmful ... and if we really loved our self we could stop that addiction ... or we love the addiction and just believe it makes us happy... so why not continue... what ever the out come ...


what is your opinion...

bastet126's photo
Tue 04/14/15 07:53 PM
addiction requires treatment, which many do not often seek
those that do seek are often confined to financial limitations,
which, generally speaking, don't begin to touch on the
rehabilitation that is necessary. i don't think addiction can
be treated simply by stopping because the addiction itself,
i.e alcoholic, is just the means by which they cope, the
cause is usually, much deeper.

Ladywind7's photo
Tue 04/14/15 08:02 PM
Each addict is different. Continued therapy and support once they have stopped is essential. Self medicating is a false comfort that deadens what may be too painful to face.
www.soberrecovery.com is an excellent site/forum to gain more info. They also have a forum for family and friends of addicts and alcoholics.
flowerforyou

no1phD's photo
Tue 04/14/15 08:13 PM
firstly yes I believe we all have the willpower.. to quit anything...


.. and we are all addicted... To something! the problem is.. you do not know what it is! until you come across it... but by then it is too late..

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JustScribbles's photo
Tue 04/14/15 08:41 PM
Edited by JustScribbles on Tue 04/14/15 08:43 PM

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JustScribbles's photo
Tue 04/14/15 08:43 PM
I don't know if there's a genetic cause for addiction. There is experimental evidence that suggests there is, but I don't know of any conclusive determination.

I do believe that one has to facilitate addiction; that happens through a process of 'learned helplessness.' Someone chooses to take the first step toward it. "I am not happy, but when I _____ it doesn't seem so bad."

It then becomes cyclic, feel bad/abuse, until there comes a point when the abuse becomes the reason for feeling. Not feeling good or bad, just feeling anything.

The only successful 'cures' I've ever seen were faith based. Note the lower-case 'f'. It doesn't necessarily need to be spiritual faith, although for those who choose to follow that path, it's as effective as any other.

It could just as easily be faith in oneself; there are numerous examples of cold-turkey decisions which are successful.

It could be faith in a program in which others like the addicted provide support and advice; think AA, NA and the like.

It could be faith in the efficacy of professional treatment.

Or, combinations of any/all of the above.

Every successful 'cure' of which I'm aware came down to restoring lost faith in something coupled with the re-building of self-esteem. "I don't need ___ in order to feel good. I can be happy without a crutch. I'm better than that."




Awatersign's photo
Tue 04/14/15 09:25 PM

why do you think some people can beat addictions and some do not have the will power to ...

I get some just don't want to ... I get some have tried and then fall off the wagon as they say ... I get some that almost die and then decide to not go back to the addiction ...

I have heard people have to hit rock bottom and still do not stop the addiction ...
I thought a long time ago...

I read everyone has some sort of addiction an its like a hereditary gene... do you believe that is true ... do you believe everyone has the will power to end the addiction ... being our mind is a very powerful source and we should be able to... and we know addictions can be very harmful ... and if we really loved our self we could stop that addiction ... or we love the addiction and just believe it makes us happy... so why not continue... what ever the out come ...


what is your opinion...
I gata be honest,I feel this is one of the more constructive topics,with that being said,sometimes we often associate addiction with drugs,but alot of us know it goes way beyond that,everyone have the power to quit whatever it is,first you need to recognize that it's an addiction,and then YOU gata want to quit,not for nobody else,but for yourself,some people have quit and never looked back,some are still battling,and then some has just given up,here's the thing,when it seems THAT difficult,praying is always a good thing,and just like anything in life,your only true failure,is when you stop trying!!!

no photo
Tue 04/14/15 10:06 PM
Addiction is a very complicated issue and yes we all have them.
It is just that some are more socially acceptable and not as destructive.

The ability to quit sometimes depends on when you started the behaviour ie: starting to smoke in your teens will cause your brain to be hard wired to the addiction and will be much much more difficult to break than if you begin to smoke in your late 20's.

People who are born into a cycle of drug or alcohol abuse can become hopelessly addicted and these people are the most difficult to treat sometimes the best that can be done is to help them manage the addiction.

There is a very interesting book written by Dr Gabor Mate called "In The Realms of Hungry Ghosts". In it he discusses his own addictions and his work with the chronically addicted people on Vancouver's East side. It is an informative, fascinating read.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Wed 04/15/15 04:46 AM

Addictions are difficult. That is certainly the first thing for both the addicted person AND the friends and onlookers to recognize and respect.

From what I've seen, the reason why some people seem to "need to hit rock bottom" is that they are only completely convinced in every corner of their being that they DO have to stop whatever it is, until they do.

That's the key. Whether you call it acceptance of the fact that you ARE addicted, or call it running out of alternatives, or "will power," it boils down to the same thing. The person with the addiction, whatever it is, has to remember and stay on track at every single moment, and in every single circumstance, that what they desire to do or to imbibe, is a bad idea.

Because it is hard work, non stop hard work.

uche9aa's photo
Wed 04/15/15 04:54 AM
"The way of a man is not in himself,its not in man to direct his path" Behind every addiction is a spirit or demon.No,you CANT stop obeying the evil master within.The victim needs spiritual help

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 04/15/15 04:59 AM

"The way of a man is not in himself,its not in man to direct his path" Behind every addiction is a spirit or demon.No,you CANT stop obeying the evil master within.The victim needs spiritual help

Man Oh Man,let the Exorcism begin!slaphead

smartwithsparks's photo
Wed 04/15/15 08:40 AM
excuses...plain and simple...

no photo
Wed 04/15/15 08:45 AM
Often one addiction is traded for another.

Some people are also addicted to love.

2469nascar's photo
Wed 04/15/15 10:05 AM
my doc told me one time he has never seen someone that has ben injured as much as i have,,said ive have moor broken bones, more surgary then ten ppl, with that said ive been on every pain med there is,,from patches to pills, after just a few months anybody will be hook, dont care who you are, its tuff. trust me,,it can take a few weeks to a year to truely detox off of methadone witch is used for long term pain now..it takes support from family and friends to get thru detox after being on it long term.....

2469nascar's photo
Wed 04/15/15 10:16 AM

excuses...plain and simple...
so sad,, but glad you have never been injured to the point that you have to be on long term pain meds,

no photo
Wed 04/15/15 11:20 AM


excuses...plain and simple...
so sad,, but glad you have never been injured to the point that you have to be on long term pain meds,

Yes, I have.

Pain meds are a joke. Nothing kills the pain except sleep. You have to ignore it. Morphine based crap will kill you.

no photo
Wed 04/15/15 11:58 AM
If you can sleep through the pain, without pain meds, your not in pain, simple as.

Even with pain meds, sleep is tough, sometimes impossible!!

no photo
Wed 04/15/15 02:30 PM
Edited by tealbreeze on Wed 04/15/15 02:32 PM

If you can sleep through the pain, without pain meds, your not in pain, simple as.

Even with pain meds, sleep is tough, sometimes impossible!!


You don't have long term trauma, unless you have an IV drip of crap.


After a while you learn to deal with the pain. Yes, it wakes me up.


Scottland peeps prolly have no clue of the pharmaceutical push over here to keep America doped and addicted.

2469nascar's photo
Wed 04/15/15 03:23 PM
sleep thru it huh,,thats even funnyer,,so iam laying in host bed with a broken feemer hip and jaw and i should just sleep it off,your klling me girl,,and now you no something the docls dont huh? WOW how interesting..tell some one that been in a bad car crash,,hey just sleep it off, having your hole left side crushed and in pain is all in you head,,sure your not on pain meds yourself? not trying o be an a hole but yor sooooo off on this one..JMHO

Annierooroo's photo
Wed 04/15/15 03:37 PM
Edited by Annierooroo on Wed 04/15/15 03:39 PM
I haven't had an addiction to drugs, drink or smoke. Wow reading what you have written shows you guys have been through some hard stuff.
My :heart: goes out to you all.
If I was to think about it mine would be my job. Sometimes I forget to eat because I'm to busy working. I have to be careful not to over to it or I will hit the wall and crash.

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