ok, good answer... so if god knows whats in our hearts, and we have free will, right and wrong are actually meaningless? if we believe we are doing a good thing and sin, would there be a need for forgiveness? would hitler be forgiven if he really thought what he did was the "right" thing?

As God is righteous, his instructions for us are righteous. There's your right and wrong. But God knows we will "stumble" and he offers grace. I can't personally tell you what he would see as intentional and or a "stumble" or what he would justifie or not, for I am not God.

it's just an interpretation of what we believe, everyone sees god differently... "be like me or die" seems to be a main cause of wars/unrest...

It's not a be like me or die, for no one could be like Jesus. We are all filthy rags in comparison. It is only through the grace of God we will be saved.


2 Corinthians 12:9

9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Jesus already took our punishment, he already died and went to hell for us. If we accept him and accept his gift, we are dead. We are dead waiting for our resurrection.

there's billions of people that don't believe in jesus, are you right or are they?

Jesus also said that a Man and a Woman can become Husband and Wife and they shall become one as well.

Are we to assume a Husband and a Wife are the same Entity and same one Being and Soul?

If for example, Cowboy GH has a son who does everything You ask him to do, and he understands everything You request of him to do... Is not Your son one with You?

He's still a different Entity and Being and Soul than Yourself, but he's just like You with regards his behaviour.

It still wouldn't make Your son, You though... Would it?

Your reference from Deuteronomy regarding Jehovah being the God of other would-be gods, and Lord of other lords is as pertinent as somebody emphasizing that this is the best You can get.

In essence, the Almighty God answers to no-one else, including any other would-be gods.

Jesus was modest enough never to make such a claim, on his part.

Now, with regards the original question...

While God can forgive all sin, nobody can be made exempt from the repercussion of their sin.

Charitable acts are still good restitution for former wrong deeds and are the hallmark of true remorse.

I do agree with SheikOfLaBroquerie on this one. Jehovah God is God and Jesus is by no means God. No wonder he once said, "non is righteous but only He (God) who sent me."
Jesus referred himself as god to mean that he was executing God's will and therefore that does no make him to be God. He even went on to say, "No one knows the day (when he will be sent back to fetch his home) not even the angels in Heaven but only God himself.
Matthew 24:36
“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."

Not quite the same. The words translated into this are in reference to their wills, their thoughts, their desires, their love, ect. Yes they are two separate entities, but yeah that is the meaning of that verse.

HOLD IT COWBOY GH...!

You just said, "'They are two separate entities'"...

But, THAT isn't the Trinity Doctrine!

The Trinity Doctrine dictates that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are Non-divisible... Co-equal... Co-eternal... One-In-Being-With-The-Other... ALL, All-knowing... God-From-God... Three Persona In One Entity.

Please refer to; Three Catholic Creeds

Go to Your Search-Engine, please.

And remember... The word 'Catholic' in this case just means Universal and isn't meant to specifically imply the Catholic Church.

The 'name' Catholic Church doesn't start for more than another 7 hundred years from the time of these Creeds being hammered-out.

Just like people in general have been being baptized for more than a 16 hundred years before there was a Baptist Church in 'name.'

Excellent Points, Nero 2083...

You have dually noted that Jesus gives glory to an Entity greater than himself.

Nothing 'Co-Equal' and 'Non-Divisible' in that !

1. I'm not catholic
2. Never referenced the "Trinity Doctrine".
3. They have to be separate persons as the father said "This is my son in whom I'm well pleased". If they ere one entity, that would have been technically a lie.

Don't know of this "Trinity Doctrine" you speak of, the only "doctrine" that I read is the Holy Bible. Outside of that it's potential for errors of some sorts, not saying they are there for sure. Just has a possibility of it.

Yes he always speaks of his father as greater then him..


John 14:28

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


But again his father is never menteioned to being our God. The scriptures only ever speak of Jesus as our God. From verses of Jesus saying he is our God, to "Do not tempt the Lord THY GOD" eg., YOUR God.

But Cowboy GH, You said Jesus and his (Metaphorical) Father are 'one.'

Now, You've changed what You believe in? What's happened to, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost?

(Supposedly, All The Same 'One' God)

Could it be that YOU don't actually believe in the Trinity, Yourself?

( Welcome To The Club! )

Didn't change anything, sorry for the misunderstanding and please cross reference the following information if you wish.

But when Jesus said "The Father and I are one" it's in reference to their wills, desires, mindsets, and such. It does not mean one entity. As show in many verses from Jesus referring to his father in third party to while Jesus was on the cross the Father says "This is my son in whom I'm well pleased". If they were both one entity, that last statement from the Father would be a lie. And also Jesus would not have said such things as -


John 5:30

30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


Again if they were one entity, the above statement would then be a lie. As there would be no separation in wills if they were one entity.

Cowboy GH, I just need You to review the last three lines, once more.

I know 'You're' not a Roman Catholic.

I'm not anything in this context. I'm not Christian, I'm not Catholic, I'm not baptist, ect. I'm a man created by the grace of God and am here to worship and praise God, call that what you wish.

Cowboy GH...

Humility is the beginning of wisdom.

I'm not trying to trap You... It's about coming to an accurate understanding or a commonly misunderstood teaching.

Trap me in what? lol. Just here having an enlightened discussion. But please do cross reference my previous statements on the meaning of "The Father and I are one". And look through the scriptures even in how it's worded, shows them to be two separate entities. Jesus doesn't say or do one thing that infers them to be one entity.