I was watching a documentary about the so called White Power Movement and I gotta say I didn't realize it was as bad as it is.

These idiots are getting away with inciting violence against minorities by hiding behind Freedom of speech. Should the music by record companies like Resistance be made illegal? After listening to some of the music, I honestly think so.

I remember back in the day the controversy of Rap music but it was not endorsing or encouraging hate crimes. Even some former members of Resistance bands have stepped away from the White Power Movement and are admitting they not only hoped at the time to inspire a race war but to motivate younger impressionable people to go out and commit these crimes. Most recently the Gaede twins of Prussian Blue and George Burdi of RAHOWA have admitted as such and renounced their past.

What do you think? I think it should be made illegal. Especially after listening to some of it on youtube.


This one below is not as blatant as the others, but I think it more dangerous as these two girls don't project the violent skinhead image which makes it all the more dangerous for impressionable young people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0N8cEV_Rjg

A song praising Hitler in a soft rock ballad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AYgRMBI7P8

Just disgusting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDp1nXGd3B0

The difference between an exchange of ideas and an exchange of blows is self-evident. The line of demarcation between freedom of speech and freedom of action is established by the ban on the initiation of physical force.

The Cashing-In: The Student Rebellion
Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 258

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/free_speech.html

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/freedom.html

Hitler was cool

You can't take away a person's right to be an a-hole.

To do so would be the same as placing society on a 40% grade made of ice (a very slippery slope). The language police already has started doing this, and slowly but surely they are chipping away at free speech.

True freedom of speech means that one is allowed to say things that others don't find agreeable, and sometimes it is a good thing. For example, in the 1800's people thought that women were crazy when the started to say they should have the right to vote. I'm sure there were a group of men out there that thought Susan B. Anthony was a full on (insert expletive here).

The only true enemy of "hate speech" is education. The enlightened mind can see through a veil of hatred, and look past prejudice. Eventually the voice of reason becomes louder than the voice of bigotry and drowns it out with rational conversation, but it takes time and a lot of it.

I know nothing of the "White Power" movement or any of their music, but how can anything be worse than the rap songs that urge killing police, raping, etc.? Are you saying that one is worse than the other or that they both should be banned?

What if I told you freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. In other words, people agree with it until they themselves get offended. Very complex world we live in.

Only problem with hi,he was a complete AzzHole!
And a murderous one at that!

His mustache alone, was a crime against humanity!!!

This hitter talk makes me fuhrerious.

Get thee to a punnery

Now TB, he has a right to free speach without being punnished.

Listen to the third song down on the video links I provided....

Rap is more of a form of expression on the day to day life of what goes on, with the exceptions of some songs like Cop Killer that got banned. These songs promote and support violence against minorities.

Even if that speech was intended to cause harm on another?

Good thing you didn't watch the videos I posted lol

Good thing you didn't watch the videos I posted lol

Direct harm (i.e. yelling "fire" in a crowded area) is already somewhat illegal, but there are many forms of bigotry and hatred that we already give public platforms. Some of those platforms are hardily endorsed by either side of the political spectrum. I'm sure you've heard some TV or radio personality say something along those lines and have said to yourself "that is such B.S.." I know I have.

Yes, maybe, probably....The first thing you have to do is figure out exact meaning..."The Confounding of Language"...I think it was first started by god himself ...Some of the worst, most detrimental hate speeches I ever heard came, not from musicians and artists, from politicians....EDIT ALERT...and preachers!....

I suppose it's a matter of the laws in each nation and how far they go with hate crime legislation. I know that in U.S. it is illegal to be / have been a member of NDSAP (can be refused entry or if found to have lied during immigration process be stripped of American citizenship and deported)

Germany goes further and has addressed Neo-Nazi music in the courts.

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German Court Sends Singer to Prison for Neo-Nazi Lyrics
December 23, 2003|Jeffrey Fleishman | Times Staff Writer

BERLIN — In the first case of its kind in Germany, a right-wing rock band was deemed a criminal organization and its lead singer was sentenced Monday to more than three years in prison for lyrics that venerate Nazism and incite racial hatred.

A Berlin criminal court sentenced 38-year-old Michael Regener to 40 months in prison after a six-month trial that tested the boundaries of free expression in a nation with strict laws against hate speech. The court ruled that Regener's band, Landser, is a threat to the country's Jews and millions of African and Muslim immigrants.

The band's bass player, Andre Moericke, and its drummer, Christian Wenndorff, were each sentenced to nearly two years' probation and ordered to perform 90 hours of community service. Founded in 1992 as the Final Solution, the band has been a favorite of neo-Nazis worldwide and a troubling voice of intolerance.

"This is the first time that a band has been found to be a criminal organization," said prosecutor Joachim Lampe.

The band members refer to themselves as "terrorists with electric guitars." Their lyrics are more intellectual than those of most bands of their ilk, but their agenda is just as blunt. "Let's get the enemy, bombs on Israel," go the words of one song. Another tune laments: "In the old days, Africa was wonderful/Now our white brothers stand with their backs against the wall."

Enacted after the Holocaust, this country's antidiscrimination laws are among the most stringent in the world. They forced Landser -- an old German word for foot soldier that was used during World War II -- to produce four of its albums outside the country. The recordings were advertised on the Internet and shipped by mail order to evade German authorities.

The band quickly became a symbol for far-right radicals, and its songs praised skinheads for a series of arsons and murders against Germany's immigrant communities in the late 1990s. Testifying at Landser's trial, Thorsten Heise, a prominent neo-Nazi, told the court that Regener's lyrics are "radical, a little bit more thoughtful, ironic and full of humor."


http://articles.latimes.com/2003/dec/23/world/fg-hate23


This very question was also subject of an article:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/30/should-neo-nazis-be-allowed-free-speech.html


Perhaps also making it more noticeable now

European neo-Nazis move to US for free speech

Just how many rights are we willing to, or can we, "reason" away before we have none left to give?

Closest I could find to something inciting violence was an abortion issue that went before US courts.

With the increase of activity in cyberspace, individuals can distribute questionable speech throughout the U.S. and the world. In Planned Parenthood of the Columbia/Willamette Inc. v. American Coalition of Life Activists, 290 F.3d 1058 (9th Cir. 2002), a federal appeals court ruled that an anti-abortion web site was not protected by the First Amendment. The web site posted photos, names, addresses, and other information pertaining to Abortion providers, their family members, and others who were perceived as supporting abortion rights. Although neither the site nor the posters made explicit threats against the abortion providers, violence at clinics that provided abortions had followed poster distribution in the past. Planned Parenthood sued the group under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 1994 (FACE), 18 U.S.C. � 248, and other laws. The trial judge instructed the jury that if the defendants' statements were "true threats," the First Amendment would not protect them. The jury awarded the plaintiff a multimillion-dollar verdict. The Ninth Circuit stated that a jury could conclude that the postings constituted a true threat under FACE, which removed any First Amendment protection for the defendants.


IF the songs of a band were to be quoted during an attack or otherwise proven to be / deemed to be the cause of violence the courts could presumably put a limit or restriction on them.