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Topic: ISIS
germanchoclate1981's photo
Tue 02/03/15 08:02 PM


the wars in the middle east have been raging for centuries and from the crusades to today it has been proven that NO outside influence has made a difference. it's their wars and we should have never gotten involved, yet our striving for democracy once again sucked us into a losing situation. just saying,,,


it's about money, control and power, striving for democracy is just a smokescreen...

I wouldn't even acknowledge that as a part of the equation. That's ISIL's claim, that they are the righteous caliphate (kingship) . Obama did not go to congress seeking them to declare war( which is how it must be declared by the US). He inherited both wars from Bush as well as the recession caused by 8 years of war across the Atlantic and years of tax breaks to very wealthy people and corporations like kbr. Look into kbr.
Obama did the best he could to save what companies and bbanks he could, create jobs, healthcare, clean up the BP disaster and end the wars the best he could. ISIL is why Bush never considered pulling out, we all knew the power vacuum was coming we just didn't expect they'd be worse than al-Qaida. 5hit happens, you spray flush and try to move on you don't leave it for the next guy.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 02/03/15 08:04 PM



They (ISIS) have become a very wealthy group...there have been claims they're being funded by wealthy Arabs in the middle east....but it could be Israel itself & the U.S to continue with the chaos on earth


very quickly, too... the wealthy Arabs not involved would be Kuwait and Saudi Arabia... i think the wealth is coming from US and Brits...

Why the hell would we fund any organization that beheads our journalists and contractors?


why else? the people need something/one to fear to get what the people in charge want... have you ever seen a time where there was no fear of something/someone? why is that?

mightymoe's photo
Tue 02/03/15 08:05 PM



the wars in the middle east have been raging for centuries and from the crusades to today it has been proven that NO outside influence has made a difference. it's their wars and we should have never gotten involved, yet our striving for democracy once again sucked us into a losing situation. just saying,,,


it's about money, control and power, striving for democracy is just a smokescreen...

I wouldn't even acknowledge that as a part of the equation. That's ISIL's claim, that they are the righteous caliphate (kingship) . Obama did not go to congress seeking them to declare war( which is how it must be declared by the US). He inherited both wars from Bush as well as the recession caused by 8 years of war across the Atlantic and years of tax breaks to very wealthy people and corporations like kbr. Look into kbr.
Obama did the best he could to save what companies and bbanks he could, create jobs, healthcare, clean up the BP disaster and end the wars the best he could. ISIL is why Bush never considered pulling out, we all knew the power vacuum was coming we just didn't expect they'd be worse than al-Qaida. 5hit happens, you spray flush and try to move on you don't leave it for the next guy.


this isn't about bush, please leave your hatred for him out of the discussion...

germanchoclate1981's photo
Tue 02/03/15 09:14 PM
I was still enlisted in the Bush era and the only schedule his regime had was sending more uniforms over there to die. You want to know why I don't have any friends because they were right back over there dying 13 months after I got back. There is a law to protect soldiers from revolving door deployments but the regime wrote in loopholes to stoploss and keep us in place and going right back over there. Who cares about drones? Drones don't cost 5% what one soldier requires to be in theatre. I have never been a pall bearer to a drone but I have handed flags to a few widdows. Bush never changed his policy on Iraq from the first day we set foot in their sands. Obama ran in 08 on ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and did just that. Are there still some troops in Afghanistan, I'm sure of it but we do not have a combat role nor an force sufficient to fill that role there. Someone has to clean up after 10 years. He announced that clearly in the State of the union address. Get your #s there.
Action and war are completely different. Disaster relief is a military action I also took part in for Katrina. Funerals are military actions if a service member or Veteran is being buried, I've done that too. But as far as the draw down on combat forces or decreasing troop numbers (which is how the regime referred to us) all bush ever said was we have to remain vigilant in the war on terror. Watch any state of the union address he made post 9/11 and see doesn't he use those exact words.
Think about it, when you pull out, do you slow down first? If you don't you may as well leave it in. Bush didn't know what he got us involved in, he didn't have time to slow down or sense enough to pull out.
A war on terror can never be won because terror is everywhere. Thats why Obama campaigned and FULLFILLED his promise to draw down and end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I understand your frustration and share it but don't pin the blame on Obama. Isil is just the next group to come into the vacuum (not into power). I say let them kill eachother. I have seen women and children strapped with explosives and literally picked up pieces of people. That was kind compared to what these bastards do because suicide bombers do so willingly. When you burn someone it takes them a long time to die and knowing that it's coming is even worse. What do you think they bought the gas here because it was under $2.00 a gallon? Unless you paid them...

germanchoclate1981's photo
Tue 02/03/15 09:20 PM
Don't imply a wagging dog that Obama put to rest.

germanchoclate1981's photo
Tue 02/03/15 09:33 PM
Democracy wasn't the smokescreen, weapons of mass destruction was the smokescreen and the result was not coming back with Iraqi oil and binladen still at large when Obama took office. Fact.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 02/03/15 09:35 PM

I was still enlisted in the Bush era and the only schedule his regime had was sending more uniforms over there to die. You want to know why I don't have any friends because they were right back over there dying 13 months after I got back. There is a law to protect soldiers from revolving door deployments but the regime wrote in loopholes to stoploss and keep us in place and going right back over there. Who cares about drones? Drones don't cost 5% what one soldier requires to be in theatre. I have never been a pall bearer to a drone but I have handed flags to a few widdows. Bush never changed his policy on Iraq from the first day we set foot in their sands. Obama ran in 08 on ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and did just that. Are there still some troops in Afghanistan, I'm sure of it but we do not have a combat role nor an force sufficient to fill that role there. Someone has to clean up after 10 years. He announced that clearly in the State of the union address. Get your #s there.
Action and war are completely different. Disaster relief is a military action I also took part in for Katrina. Funerals are military actions if a service member or Veteran is being buried, I've done that too. But as far as the draw down on combat forces or decreasing troop numbers (which is how the regime referred to us) all bush ever said was we have to remain vigilant in the war on terror. Watch any state of the union address he made post 9/11 and see doesn't he use those exact words.
Think about it, when you pull out, do you slow down first? If you don't you may as well leave it in. Bush didn't know what he got us involved in, he didn't have time to slow down or sense enough to pull out.
A war on terror can never be won because terror is everywhere. Thats why Obama campaigned and FULLFILLED his promise to draw down and end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I understand your frustration and share it but don't pin the blame on Obama. Isil is just the next group to come into the vacuum (not into power). I say let them kill eachother. I have seen women and children strapped with explosives and literally picked up pieces of people. That was kind compared to what these bastards do because suicide bombers do so willingly. When you burn someone it takes them a long time to die and knowing that it's coming is even worse. What do you think they bought the gas here because it was under $2.00 a gallon? Unless you paid them...


"don't pin the blame on obama"... let's see now... your quick enough to blame bush for everything, but yet you say this... you seem to think because less troops are dying, the wars or actions are ok or non existent now? just because we aren't sending you or others to kill people doesn't mean that less people are getting killed, they just use machines to do it now... while i thank you and have every respect for your service duties, please don't think the killing has stopped, or even slowed down very much.

have you really noticed any change since obarry came into office? i have not...

you being in the military, then you know that if you make a mistake, your officers get the blame as well... why does that not apply to the "commander in chief"? a person who has never served in any military or really even know anything about the military and it's customs... a person who has replaced more high ranking officers than any other president...

blame is not the right word for me, obarry is just a self serving entitlist, someone who is incapable of speaking the truth about anything...

mightymoe's photo
Tue 02/03/15 09:37 PM

Democracy wasn't the smokescreen, weapons of mass destruction was the smokescreen and the result was not coming back with Iraqi oil and binladen still at large when Obama took office. Fact.



ok, i see your hatred of someone that is long since out of the picture makes you blind..

i'm gunna stop replying to you now, your just to far off topic and from reality...

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