Topic: Vaccine for Ebola?
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Thu 10/16/14 10:17 AM


Ebola is not like aids, it mutates, and has done so many times.

At each outbreak former vaccines have only shown to slow the new mutation.

I saw a special at a friends house, on one of the science or discovery channels, saying that once it reaches the animal kingdom vaccines become useless due to mutation, and Africa is hardest hit because of their dependance on feral foods and shared water sources.

It also said that Ebola was created and/or tested at Ft Dietrich, along with AIDS, after WW2, and tested on prisoners, twins, brothers and sisters, to test the effects. The Japanese had been working with chemical agents for decades and after the war their scientists were brought to Dietrich to continue testing for the USA, just as German scientists where.... the creators of our rocket program.

Timothy Leary didn't create LSD. He was a subject of tests also performed there under the MK Ultra mind control program. One of the scientists was given the drug, unknown to him, by an associate of the program, becoming extremely paranoid and had to be committed the remainder of his life.

They found younger people, like Leary and McArthur (two young science majors from Berkley), enjoyed the conscience/mind altering effects. Leary obviously did bigsmile

A false belief that our govt would never do such a thing to it's citizens, or other nations, has been disproven in unsealed govt documents so many times, that anyone believing that myth is the real CTer!



Ebola has reached the "Animal Kingdom"!
It actually came from there,like HIV!
Stop listening to Mercola and the rest of the other Snakeoil-Salesmen for once!laugh
BTW,HIV does also mutate,it's the nature of those Virii to do that!
Evolution in Action!
BTW,LSD was synthesized in Switzerland by Albert Hofmann,with the aim to be used as a possible Treatment for Alcoholism among others!

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Thu 10/16/14 10:48 AM


A plain clothes man standing near hazmat suited workers transferring the second Dallas health care worker diagnosed with Ebola to a plane at Dallas Love Field had everyone asking, "Why?"

Their answer.......Does this make sense to you

"His role is to oversee the process of transport including on the tarmac," Randy Davis, vice president at Phoenix Air, told NBC News. "Part of our protocol is to have 1 person NOT in a bio-Hazard suit. "

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Plain-Clothes-Man-Perplexes-Viewers-279357962.html

If he is "safe" why is everyone else in hazmat gear? And then he even boards the plane?

I've just watched this and I have to say something is not quite right here. Either that guy is very brave or just plain stupid. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few days he has Ebola too, or am I missing something, strange

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Thu 10/16/14 10:58 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 10/16/14 11:00 AM



Ebola is not like aids, it mutates, and has done so many times.

At each outbreak former vaccines have only shown to slow the new mutation.

I saw a special at a friends house, on one of the science or discovery channels, saying that once it reaches the animal kingdom vaccines become useless due to mutation, and Africa is hardest hit because of their dependance on feral foods and shared water sources.

It also said that Ebola was created and/or tested at Ft Dietrich, along with AIDS, after WW2, and tested on prisoners, twins, brothers and sisters, to test the effects. The Japanese had been working with chemical agents for decades and after the war their scientists were brought to Dietrich to continue testing for the USA, just as German scientists where.... the creators of our rocket program.

Timothy Leary didn't create LSD. He was a subject of tests also performed there under the MK Ultra mind control program. One of the scientists was given the drug, unknown to him, by an associate of the program, becoming extremely paranoid and had to be committed the remainder of his life.

They found younger people, like Leary and McArthur (two young science majors from Berkley), enjoyed the conscience/mind altering effects. Leary obviously did bigsmile

A false belief that our govt would never do such a thing to it's citizens, or other nations, has been disproven in unsealed govt documents so many times, that anyone believing that myth is the real CTer!



Ebola has reached the "Animal Kingdom"!
It actually came from there,like HIV!
Stop listening to Mercola and the rest of the other Snakeoil-Salesmen for once!laugh
BTW,HIV does also mutate,it's the nature of those Virii to do that!
Evolution in Action!
BTW,LSD was synthesized in Switzerland by Albert Hofmann,with the aim to be used as a possible Treatment for Alcoholism among others!


HIV adapts to the body's chemistry, not really mutates, where ebola actually mutates with each adaptation creating a new strain. A lot of the hype is just that, hype, but ebola IS a deadly virus with little hope of ever fully eradicating it for that reason. It keeps mutating.

Albert Hofmann, born in Cyprus, joined the pharmaceutical-chemical department of Sandoz Laboratories, located in Basel as a co-worker with professor Arthur Stoll, founder and director of the pharmaceutical department.[3] He began studying the medicinal plant squill and the fungus ergot as part of a program to purify and synthesize active constituents for use as pharmaceuticals. His main contribution was to elucidate the chemical structure of the common nucleus of Scilla glycosides (an active principle of Mediterranean Squill).[3] While researching lysergic acid derivatives, Hofmann first synthesized LSD on November 16, 1938.[1] The main intention of the synthesis was to obtain a respiratory and circulatory stimulant (an analeptic). It was set aside for five years, until April 16, 1943,[4] when Hofmann decided to take a second look at it. While re-synthesizing LSD, he accidentally absorbed a small amount of the drug through his fingertips and discovered its powerful effects.

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The common disinformation on AIDS that Strecker fought was the claim that AIDS origin came from a green monkey biting a black man’s backside in Africa. Strecker and a number of virologists pointed out that the AIDS virus doesn’t appear naturally in any animal. Plus, it would have been impossible to reach the point of millions infected from a single episode. More likely, they said, if the virus had come from green monkeys, it would have surfaced with the Pygmies, who are closer to them, and use them as a food source. Ironically, Pygmies contracted AIDS later on when they had intercourse with prostitutes in cities, where the AIDS virus first appeared, not in the jungle.

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The US holds the patent on the Ebola and AIDS viruses

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Thu 10/16/14 01:17 PM

Canadian researchers may have developed a vaccine against Ebola.

Ebola Vaccine

Still needs testing but looks very promising so far.


Oh, such an outstanding prospectus:


Kobinger said the scientists who are developing the vaccine do not yet fully understand the vaccine's precise mechanism, but there are a number of hypotheses they are studying.


Gives one such great confidence, doesn't it? But no problem, look at the testing:


Health Minister Rona Ambrose said that 20 vials of the vaccine will be tested on 40 healthy volunteers at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in Maryland.


Ah, now a war on Ebola, hope the causality rate is lower than the bombs, but then what does our illustrious leaders care. Wonder if all this testing will trigger another mutation to increase the chances of mass genocide?

Isn't modern medicine just marvelous?

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Thu 10/16/14 01:25 PM

Oddly, the Canadian vaccine is being tested on Americans.


Not just Americans but at a government military facility, something to do with the Army. First we send the Marines in harms way, but what the heck they are just cannon fodder anyway. And now they increase the ante by sending in the Army. Wonder what is in store for the Air Force and Navy?

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Thu 10/16/14 01:46 PM


Never let a crisis go to waste

Big Pharma lobbyists will see EVERYONE gets a dose, just like the insurance companies handled our healthcare problems and the war machine (CIA) makes sure we have plenty of enemies that need killing

We have the best politicians money can buy and a TV watching, programmed public to keep them in office!


Yes, and when there is a shortage of crisis, just start a few. Isn't it something that Patrick Henry warned of the dangers to the people of the acceptance of the constitution. But not only Patrick Henry, as he was just the conspiracy theorist of his day, but then what of the farewell speech of Washington?

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Thu 10/16/14 01:57 PM



Never let a crisis go to waste

Big Pharma lobbyists will see EVERYONE gets a dose, just like the insurance companies handled our healthcare problems and the war machine (CIA) makes sure we have plenty of enemies that need killing

We have the best politicians money can buy and a TV watching, programmed public to keep them in office!





So when little is understood, then instead of developing knowledge, just show ignorance and declare a statement is a conspiracy theory. This seems to be the methodology used by many that understand little.

It is the battle cry of those too lazy and too ignorant to develop an anti-thesis to the thesis proposed. It is the cry of those opposed to having to think for themselves.

Once upon a time there was an incident in the Gulf of Tonkin, a conspiracy theory of it's time, result:


The U.S. suffered over 47,000 killed in action plus another 11,000 noncombat deaths; over 150,000 were wounded and 10,000 missing.


And all based on a conspiracy. But since this incident, things have gotten so much more transparent and little do they care, the dumbing down of the populace has been so effective.

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Thu 10/16/14 02:08 PM


we created the virus, we have the vaccine,,,

that Virus,and similar ones have been around for ages,regardless of what you hear spouting out of the CTs!laugh


Sure they have, seriously, but not as you suggest. And isn't it somehow funny how most of the most deadly strains have something to do with monkeys and Africa?

Or is it easier to just accept and not ask questions? After all those that support conspiracy theories are just a bunch of fruitcakes, aren't they. Or is it just the opposite where those that just accept are the fruitcakes that are too lazy or ignorant to question things?

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Thu 10/16/14 02:16 PM



we created the virus, we have the vaccine,,,

Oops, Msharmony, you let the secret out, that too on a public forum. The Force will be calling on you shortly!


lol,, those in the medical field for decades keep a abreast of these things

I happen to be in close connection with a doctor and scholar,,,,worked in HIV for years and now about to work in Ebola(not me,, the scholar),.,,, I trust that person and their knowledge,,,,,,,,


Really and what medical field would that be? Big Pharma? Big Pharma supported medical education?

HIV, wow, monkeys and Africa, seem familiar? And just what is trust? And if one has no knowledge of their own, just what good is a trust of the knowledge of another?

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Thu 10/16/14 02:21 PM



we created the virus, we have the vaccine,,,

that Virus,and similar ones have been around for ages,regardless of what you hear spouting out of the CTs!laugh


Sure they have, seriously, but not as you suggest. And isn't it somehow funny how most of the most deadly strains have something to do with monkeys and Africa?

Or is it easier to just accept and not ask questions? After all those that support conspiracy theories are just a bunch of fruitcakes, aren't they. Or is it just the opposite where those that just accept are the fruitcakes that are too lazy or ignorant to question things?

yep,the one leftover from last Christmas that no one wanted!laugh

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Thu 10/16/14 02:27 PM


Ebola is not like aids, it mutates, and has done so many times.

At each outbreak former vaccines have only shown to slow the new mutation.

I saw a special at a friends house, on one of the science or discovery channels, saying that once it reaches the animal kingdom vaccines become useless due to mutation, and Africa is hardest hit because of their dependance on feral foods and shared water sources.

It also said that Ebola was created and/or tested at Ft Dietrich, along with AIDS, after WW2, and tested on prisoners, twins, brothers and sisters, to test the effects. The Japanese had been working with chemical agents for decades and after the war their scientists were brought to Dietrich to continue testing for the USA, just as German scientists where.... the creators of our rocket program.

Timothy Leary didn't create LSD. He was a subject of tests also performed there under the MK Ultra mind control program. One of the scientists was given the drug, unknown to him, by an associate of the program, becoming extremely paranoid and had to be committed the remainder of his life.

They found younger people, like Leary and McArthur (two young science majors from Berkley), enjoyed the conscience/mind altering effects. Leary obviously did bigsmile

A false belief that our govt would never do such a thing to it's citizens, or other nations, has been disproven in unsealed govt documents so many times, that anyone believing that myth is the real CTer!




This is very true, have you ever looked at Lyme disease. Has to do with a conspiracy theory:

PLUM ISLAND & LYME DISEASE

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Thu 10/16/14 02:36 PM


Found this looking for a link to the program I watched....

It's a long article so I'm not going to attempt to clean up all the punctuations and added BS markings I usually do to make it easier to read

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Funny isn't it at the level the elitist will stoop to proclaim their elite status.

But even more remarkable is the level to which the ignorant will rise to not have to gain knowledge.

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Thu 10/16/14 02:47 PM




we created the virus, we have the vaccine,,,

that Virus,and similar ones have been around for ages,regardless of what you hear spouting out of the CTs!laugh


Sure they have, seriously, but not as you suggest. And isn't it somehow funny how most of the most deadly strains have something to do with monkeys and Africa?

Or is it easier to just accept and not ask questions? After all those that support conspiracy theories are just a bunch of fruitcakes, aren't they. Or is it just the opposite where those that just accept are the fruitcakes that are too lazy or ignorant to question things?

yep,the one leftover from last Christmas that no one wanted!laugh


So I would venture to say by your reply that questions are not a strong point and therefore the answer becomes obvious, if not from the thoughts of others it will not manifest in the individuals thoughts.

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Thu 10/16/14 03:08 PM

Funny isn't it at the level the elitist will stoop to proclaim their elite status.

But even more remarkable is the level to which the ignorant will rise to not have to gain knowledge.


Whenever a person uses ad hominem to accuse others of being ignorant, that is when I press ...


Conrad_73's photo
Thu 10/16/14 03:49 PM




Ebola is not like aids, it mutates, and has done so many times.

At each outbreak former vaccines have only shown to slow the new mutation.

I saw a special at a friends house, on one of the science or discovery channels, saying that once it reaches the animal kingdom vaccines become useless due to mutation, and Africa is hardest hit because of their dependance on feral foods and shared water sources.

It also said that Ebola was created and/or tested at Ft Dietrich, along with AIDS, after WW2, and tested on prisoners, twins, brothers and sisters, to test the effects. The Japanese had been working with chemical agents for decades and after the war their scientists were brought to Dietrich to continue testing for the USA, just as German scientists where.... the creators of our rocket program.

Timothy Leary didn't create LSD. He was a subject of tests also performed there under the MK Ultra mind control program. One of the scientists was given the drug, unknown to him, by an associate of the program, becoming extremely paranoid and had to be committed the remainder of his life.

They found younger people, like Leary and McArthur (two young science majors from Berkley), enjoyed the conscience/mind altering effects. Leary obviously did bigsmile

A false belief that our govt would never do such a thing to it's citizens, or other nations, has been disproven in unsealed govt documents so many times, that anyone believing that myth is the real CTer!



Ebola has reached the "Animal Kingdom"!
It actually came from there,like HIV!
Stop listening to Mercola and the rest of the other Snakeoil-Salesmen for once!laugh
BTW,HIV does also mutate,it's the nature of those Virii to do that!
Evolution in Action!
BTW,LSD was synthesized in Switzerland by Albert Hofmann,with the aim to be used as a possible Treatment for Alcoholism among others!


HIV adapts to the body's chemistry, not really mutates, where ebola actually mutates with each adaptation creating a new strain. A lot of the hype is just that, hype, but ebola IS a deadly virus with little hope of ever fully eradicating it for that reason. It keeps mutating.

Albert Hofmann, born in Cyprus, joined the pharmaceutical-chemical department of Sandoz Laboratories, located in Basel as a co-worker with professor Arthur Stoll, founder and director of the pharmaceutical department.[3] He began studying the medicinal plant squill and the fungus ergot as part of a program to purify and synthesize active constituents for use as pharmaceuticals. His main contribution was to elucidate the chemical structure of the common nucleus of Scilla glycosides (an active principle of Mediterranean Squill).[3] While researching lysergic acid derivatives, Hofmann first synthesized LSD on November 16, 1938.[1] The main intention of the synthesis was to obtain a respiratory and circulatory stimulant (an analeptic). It was set aside for five years, until April 16, 1943,[4] when Hofmann decided to take a second look at it. While re-synthesizing LSD, he accidentally absorbed a small amount of the drug through his fingertips and discovered its powerful effects.

********************

The common disinformation on AIDS that Strecker fought was the claim that AIDS origin came from a green monkey biting a black man’s backside in Africa. Strecker and a number of virologists pointed out that the AIDS virus doesn’t appear naturally in any animal. Plus, it would have been impossible to reach the point of millions infected from a single episode. More likely, they said, if the virus had come from green monkeys, it would have surfaced with the Pygmies, who are closer to them, and use them as a food source. Ironically, Pygmies contracted AIDS later on when they had intercourse with prostitutes in cities, where the AIDS virus first appeared, not in the jungle.

*********************

The US holds the patent on the Ebola and AIDS viruses

I think you might want to do some more reading on the mutating of the HIV-Virus!

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Thu 10/16/14 05:20 PM


Funny isn't it at the level the elitist will stoop to proclaim their elite status.

But even more remarkable is the level to which the ignorant will rise to not have to gain knowledge.


Whenever a person uses ad hominem to accuse others of being ignorant, that is when I press ...




Still haven't figured out the meaning of that term, ad hominem, I see.

But it is not necessary for me to proclaim one as ignorant when in reality all one need to do is to provide statements and watch what is claimed.

Additionally, ignorance is not something that needs to be pushed upon someone, it is a voluntary action or in reality a voluntary inaction claimed by so many. In fact it became a major factor in the 2012 elections with Romney's infamous remark about the 47%.

But what I really find remarkable is the image and the stark reality of it being a complete falsehood.

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Thu 10/16/14 09:12 PM
Edited by InvictusV on Thu 10/16/14 09:11 PM




Never let a crisis go to waste

Big Pharma lobbyists will see EVERYONE gets a dose, just like the insurance companies handled our healthcare problems and the war machine (CIA) makes sure we have plenty of enemies that need killing

We have the best politicians money can buy and a TV watching, programmed public to keep them in office!





So when little is understood, then instead of developing knowledge, just show ignorance and declare a statement is a conspiracy theory. This seems to be the methodology used by many that understand little.

It is the battle cry of those too lazy and too ignorant to develop an anti-thesis to the thesis proposed. It is the cry of those opposed to having to think for themselves.

Once upon a time there was an incident in the Gulf of Tonkin, a conspiracy theory of it's time, result:


The U.S. suffered over 47,000 killed in action plus another 11,000 noncombat deaths; over 150,000 were wounded and 10,000 missing.


And all based on a conspiracy. But since this incident, things have gotten so much more transparent and little do they care, the dumbing down of the populace has been so effective.



I find it is actually the conspiracy theorist that is ignorant and lazy.

None of the modern conspiracies you espouse are of your own detection.

You simply regurgitate someone else's theory. Defend the theory in the face of all logic.

That is tough to manage..

Now more importantly..

I must know...

Was your sabbatical due to you rowing your kayak to Diego Garcia and demanding the CIA release MH 370?

Did you then attempt to fly it to Russia when the CIA shot it down over Ukraine and you parachuted out before it hit the ground, landing in your hero Putin's arms?






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Thu 10/16/14 09:22 PM
InvictusV,

It is better to ignore another person than to make a personal attack.

If you believe that a person cannot be reasoned with, then just ignore that person. Don't read what the person posts. Keep scrolling down instead.

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Thu 10/16/14 09:25 PM

InvictusV,

It is better to ignore another person than to make a personal attack.

If you believe that a person cannot be reasoned with, then just ignore that person. Don't read what the person posts. Keep scrolling down instead.


I appreciate your advice.

However, I feel those types need to be exposed for the frauds they are.


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Fri 10/17/14 06:36 AM

I find it is actually the conspiracy theorist that is ignorant and lazy.

None of the modern conspiracies you espouse are of your own detection.

You simply regurgitate someone else's theory. Defend the theory in the face of all logic.

That is tough to manage..

Now more importantly..

I must know...

Was your sabbatical due to you rowing your kayak to Diego Garcia and demanding the CIA release MH 370?

Did you then attempt to fly it to Russia when the CIA shot it down over Ukraine and you parachuted out before it hit the ground, landing in your hero Putin's arms?


Well you see that is one of the differences between us, you find but only god knows where. So then can it really be something found or is it just conjecture?

But it is humorous at how you deem conspiracies are theories in one thought and then confirmed as conspiracies in the next. So which is it? Which way does the wind blow?

As to the rest of the conspiracy statement, just a purely illogical statement.

And just how does my "sabbatical" become something important to you? The only thing really important from my perspective is that I have chosen to devote some of my time to the here and now on this forum. But do rest assured that my time over the past months has been very fruitful and allowed me to obtain the accomplishment of a very important goal of mine.

But for your peace of mind, I still find Putin's actions more in line with freedom than that of this countries current or even future supposed "leaders". Of course, I use the term "leaders" from your perspective as I'm not a statist and know better.