seems like it has got to be joint counseling or separation.

I wonder, has separation ever actually worked?

Or is that just soft-landing for what would otherwise be a crash divorce?

Actually talking about “separation” instead of an outright divorce may well be the diplomatic way to achieve that latter without sounding like your are threatening the former.

I imagine that anything is going to be less than jolly.

About the only divorces that ever really work out well is when both partners seriously want out, then they don’t have anything to buck against.

In fact, this has been the secret tactic of some women. When they decided they wanted out they simply became uncooperative and miserable until the guy started suggesting divorce. Then they say, “Oh well, hon, if that’s what you really want I won’t try to tie you down”.

Wow...that's just rough

All I can say is, follow what your heart tells you...

Widowerseeker wrote:
“I am and always have been a firm believer in the phrase until death do us part.”

I believe in keeping vows too. However, there’s usually a lot more to them than just “until death do us part”.

In fact, that’s just the last part of them. What was it that they vowed to DO “until death do us part”

Love and Cherish? Not ignore, take for granted and/or abuse?

So if the first part of the vows are being completely ignored then what's the point in clinging to the last few words of the vows????

It’s all or nothing!

Clinging to only the last few words of the vows whilst ignoring all the rest makes no sense.

I just wanted to thank all of you for listening, it really helps!! We will see how it goes i will keep you all informed on how it goes though!! Agian thank you for being there!!

Just as an update, it is only the beginning and so far so good. I think he has finially realized it is truly over. Which is a good thing, i had just told him it was me, because i didn't want to argue about anything and well it's easier that way. He just said fine. And that was the end so far, which really suprised the hell out of me!!