Okk.. free will..hmm. now again I appreciate your insights..
. I am a nerd when it comes to the good book..lol.. so where was Noah's free will. when God commanded him to build the ark.. where was Moses free will.. when God commanded him.
to free his people... and if they had the free will to say yes or no..
. how many other doors did he knock on.. so to speak.. before he came across these two. sympathetic to his cause soles... and how come you never hear about the one that said no thank you...to.him... just a thought..

He had free will was in obeying God. He didn't HAVE to build the Ark or save anybody. He could have gone on his marry little way if he would have wanted to.

And not sure you're going to get at it like this, but a lot have in the past so I'm going to say it now before you or anyone else comment about it. Just because there's a "punishment" or some form of negative effect from disobedience to God does not negate your free will. You still have the choice to obey or not regardless of the outcomes of either choice.

no1phD said,


Because that's what "god" means, referring to the word thereof.

god -
- person or thing of supreme value
- a powerful ruler

And in turn the reason we specifically call God, "God". Because he is the ruler of us, thus why we obey or are punished. Just as if you don't obey the say government and their laws, you are punished. But they are on different levels, so the level of punishment would also be different. Not comparing them in anyway, just using a worldly example of the word in itself.

Exactly, God may have told him to build the Ark. But nevertheless he still was the one to do the action thereof, he chose to build it. Doesn't matter if he was told to or not, he still had the choice to obey or not, thus free will.

Free will in itself is also another reason bad things happen to good people. Either the good person will make a bad choice using their free will that has a negative outcome. Or someone uses their free will to bring troubles on another or do something "bad" to another.

I thought they were the same. I am glad u read the scripture. But show me the context that the 2 are the same.

"God" Eg., the Father and Jesus aren't the same. Or am I misunderstanding what you are referring to. No where in any of these quotes in this refers to "2 being the same".

I am glad u r seeing this. so after Yahshua was Baptized He did then hear his Father who he Obeyed to the letter of the law?

I would pay attention to the Hearts of these Main Prophets. They were willing to give their life for their friend.

Would you make the question more clear please, because there is no law God the Father has to obey, they are his laws.

But if you are talking about Jesus, then yes he obeyed them to a T, he obeyed every bit of the law one bit and did not fault in one way or other.

I'm assuming you're referring to the following

Matthew 3
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Yes and Heaven and Earth is still here.

Matt 5:17-20

"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
NKJV


18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled

Just like this is future Prophecy. it has not been fulfilled and it is Law Yahshua kept.

Zech 14:16-17

And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
NKJV

Yahweh (ieue) means Jesus (actually the hebrew messianic leader, but for christians, Jesus). Yahweh-elohim (ieue aleim) means God and it's not anything anthropomorphic, it's something completely different.

If you imagine God as an omnipotent spiritual being much like an invisible person sitting above the clouds making decisions about people and causing earthquakes and lightning, that's greco-roman paganism and not hebrew in origin.

Most pentacostals worship Zeus, not El. And when you say Yahweh, you're talking about Jesus, not God which most people without a theology degree or one in ancient linguistics wouldn't have much of a clue what it even means.

There was a reason the primary early christian church only allowed monastic scholars access to religious texts, when pentacostalism happened nobody ever bothered to look up and research scriptures anymore, they just read them aloud in fairy tale versions and inserted pagan interpretations of them all. It's completely lost all meaning, and christian dogma has replaced the religion with greco-roman mythology by any other name. With some viking terms thrown in, of all things.