Topic: Leaked call raises questions about who was behind sniper att
smart2009's photo
Thu 03/06/14 09:23 AM
Don't read too much into the conversation.
That was the message Wednesday from Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet after a phone call between him and European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton was leaked.
In the recording, which was posted to YouTube and picked up by Russian media, Paet talks about his recent visit to Ukraine. He says a doctor named "Olga" told him opponents of Ukraine's ousted President may have been responsible for deadly sniper fire.
President Viktor Yanukovych fled more than a week ago in the wake of protests in Kiev's Independence Square, where snipers from nearby rooftops killed scores of people.
"(Olga) can say that it is the same handwriting, the same type of bullets, and it's really disturbing that now the new coalition that -- they don't want to investigate what exactly happened. There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition," Paet told Ashton.
She replied: "I think we do want to investigate ... I didn't pick that up. That's interesting. Gosh."
Paet's office released a statement Wednesday that confirmed the authenticity of the recording. It said the call took place on February 26.
"Foreign Minister Paet was giving an overview of what he had heard the previous day in Kiev and expressed concern over the situation on the ground. We reject the claim that Paet was giving an assessment of the opposition's involvement in the violence," the statement read.
"It is extremely regrettable that phone calls are being intercepted," said Paet in the same statement. "The fact that this phone call has been leaked is not a coincidence."
Ashton's office declined to comment on the conversation, saying she does not discuss leaks.
CNN could not immediately reach the Ukrainian government for comment, nor could it confirm the identity of "Olga."
Russia's state-news agency RIA-Novosti said she was Olga Bogomolets, chief coordinator of medical aid at the main protest camp in Independence Square.
CNN has previously talked to Bogomolets. She volunteered last month to treat protesters and accused forces of shooting to kill, saying she had treated 13 people she believed had been targeted by "professional snipers."
"They were shot directly to their hearts, their brain and to their neck," she said. "They didn't give any chance to doctors, for us, to save lives."
The recording is the second such recent leak on Ukraine.
Early last month, a leaked audio recording of a phone call allegedly caught a U.S. diplomat to Europe using profanity to express strong frustrations with inaction and indecision by the European Union in resolving the crisis.
In the conversation, voices closely resembling those of Assistant Secretary for European Affairs Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt discuss a plan to broker a deal between the Ukrainian government and the opposition.
At one point the woman, who sounds like Nuland, can be heard saying "f**k the EU."
The call could not be independently verified, and it was not clear when and where it was recorded.
http://cnnmobile.com/primary/wk_fullarticle?articleId=urn:newsml:CNN.com:20140306:ukraine-leaked-audio-recording:1&category=intleurope#page2

InvictusV's photo
Thu 03/06/14 09:38 AM
This is similar to what happened in Syria..

Assad knew that the only logical way he would be toppled was if he used chemical weapons.

He is a very educated man. He knew this..

So did the al qaeda terrorists..

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened in Ukraine..

It was total chaos.. If the opposition did do this they knew it would oust Yanukovych and since they would take power no one would know the difference..


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 03/06/14 09:47 AM

This is similar to what happened in Syria..

Assad knew that the only logical way he would be toppled was if he used chemical weapons.

He is a very educated man. He knew this..

So did the al qaeda terrorists..

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened in Ukraine..

It was total chaos.. If the opposition did do this they knew it would oust Yanukovych and since they would take power no one would know the difference..




The ballistics reports show that the bullets, which killed both police and protesters, were fired by the same weapons.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 03/06/14 10:03 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 03/06/14 10:08 AM

This is similar to what happened in Syria..

Assad knew that the only logical way he would be toppled was if he used chemical weapons.

He is a very educated man. He knew this..

So did the al qaeda terrorists..

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened in Ukraine..

It was total chaos.. If the opposition did do this they knew it would oust Yanukovych and since they would take power no one would know the difference..



on the other hand,the Opposition knew that he knew that the Opposition knew!

Then we still have Putin,Factor X!
Counter-counter-Punches!
These days things are fought out in Cyberspace as much as on the Ground,which makes for even more Smoke and Mirrors!
Besides,the departed President wasn't exactly what you can call a Clean Sheet of Paper either!
Sort of a Felon,and as corrupt as they come in that Neck of the woods!bigsmile

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 03/06/14 10:31 AM


This is similar to what happened in Syria..

Assad knew that the only logical way he would be toppled was if he used chemical weapons.

He is a very educated man. He knew this..

So did the al qaeda terrorists..

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened in Ukraine..

It was total chaos.. If the opposition did do this they knew it would oust Yanukovych and since they would take power no one would know the difference..



on the other hand,the Opposition knew that he knew that the Opposition knew!

Then we still have Putin,Factor X!
Counter-counter-Punches!
These days things are fought out in Cyberspace as much as on the Ground,which makes for even more Smoke and Mirrors!
Besides,the departed President wasn't exactly what you can call a Clean Sheet of Paper either!
Sort of a Felon,and as corrupt as they come in that Neck of the woods!bigsmile


Just another reason for us to mind our own business.

If our allies need us, we are better off prepared than scattered around the globe wasting resources and money

InvictusV's photo
Thu 03/06/14 10:55 AM


This is similar to what happened in Syria..

Assad knew that the only logical way he would be toppled was if he used chemical weapons.

He is a very educated man. He knew this..

So did the al qaeda terrorists..

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened in Ukraine..

It was total chaos.. If the opposition did do this they knew it would oust Yanukovych and since they would take power no one would know the difference..



on the other hand,the Opposition knew that he knew that the Opposition knew!

Then we still have Putin,Factor X!
Counter-counter-Punches!
These days things are fought out in Cyberspace as much as on the Ground,which makes for even more Smoke and Mirrors!
Besides,the departed President wasn't exactly what you can call a Clean Sheet of Paper either!
Sort of a Felon,and as corrupt as they come in that Neck of the woods!bigsmile



as in gi joe.... "knowing is half the battle"

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 03/06/14 11:06 AM



This is similar to what happened in Syria..

Assad knew that the only logical way he would be toppled was if he used chemical weapons.

He is a very educated man. He knew this..

So did the al qaeda terrorists..

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened in Ukraine..

It was total chaos.. If the opposition did do this they knew it would oust Yanukovych and since they would take power no one would know the difference..



on the other hand,the Opposition knew that he knew that the Opposition knew!

Then we still have Putin,Factor X!
Counter-counter-Punches!
These days things are fought out in Cyberspace as much as on the Ground,which makes for even more Smoke and Mirrors!
Besides,the departed President wasn't exactly what you can call a Clean Sheet of Paper either!
Sort of a Felon,and as corrupt as they come in that Neck of the woods!bigsmile



as in gi joe.... "knowing is half the battle"
bigsmile definitely!

smart2009's photo
Thu 03/06/14 12:08 PM



This is similar to what happened in Syria..

Assad knew that the only logical way he would be toppled was if he used chemical weapons.

He is a very educated man. He knew this..

So did the al qaeda terrorists..

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened in Ukraine..

It was total chaos.. If the opposition did do this they knew it would oust Yanukovych and since they would take power no one would know the difference..



on the other hand,the Opposition knew that he knew that the Opposition knew!

Then we still have Putin,Factor X!
Counter-counter-Punches!
These days things are fought out in Cyberspace as much as on the Ground,which makes for even more Smoke and Mirrors!
Besides,the departed President wasn't exactly what you can call a Clean Sheet of Paper either!
Sort of a Felon,and as corrupt as they come in that Neck of the woods!bigsmile


Just another reason for us to mind our own business.

If our allies need us, we are better off prepared than scattered around the globe wasting resources and money

The House Energyand Commerce Committee is giving its blessing to a bill being introduced Thursday by Rep. Cory Gardner, R-Colo., who is running for Senate.
Gardner said his bill to expedite natural gas exports "serves our national securityinterests as an aggressive Russian regime looks to expand power in former Soviet Union countries. By acting to speed up export approvals, we can help our allies in the region and across the globe while creating jobs and economic opportunity here in Colorado."
It comes as Republicans and centrist Democrats in both the House and the Senate are amplifying calls to speed natural gas export approvals to give Ukraine relief from Russia. Gazprom, Russia's state-owned energy firm, supplies most of the Ukraine's energy, and Russian President Vladimir Putin wields his natural gas supplies as a diplomatic stick in Central and Eastern Europe.
The Ukraine situation has proven a talking point for Republicans and centrist Democrats who are displeased with the pace of Energy Department approvals for natural gas exports to nations that lack a free-trade agreement with the U.S. The DOE must find such exports in the public interest — it has green-lighted six projects, with 24 pending.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/ukraine-a-talking-point-for-both-backers-and-detractors-of-natural-gas-exports/article/2545225
http://www.eenews.net/stories/1059995636

no photo
Thu 03/06/14 12:33 PM

This is similar to what happened in Syria..

Assad knew that the only logical way he would be toppled was if he used chemical weapons.

He is a very educated man. He knew this..

So did the al qaeda terrorists..

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened in Ukraine..

It was total chaos.. If the opposition did do this they knew it would oust Yanukovych and since they would take power no one would know the difference..




IF wouldn't exactly be the operative word here. Odumbo and his oligarchy have gotten very sloppy and leave trails all over the place. And to think it only cost the US taxpayers $5 billion to buy the Ukraine government.

And to think that Russia would have the same power to snoop as NSA, ridiculous.

no photo
Thu 03/06/14 12:57 PM

The ballistics reports show that the bullets, which killed both police and protesters, were fired by the same weapons.


As so rightfully portrayed by Paul Craig Roberts with a link to RT and the Ashton and Paet...


The entire story that the presstitutes have told about the Ukraine is a propaganda production. The presstitutes told us that the deposed president, Viktor Yanukovych, ordered snipers to shoot protesters. On the basis of these false reports, Washington’s stooges, who comprise the existing non-government in Kiev, have issued arrest orders for Yanukovych and intend for him to be tried in an international court. In an intercepted telephone call between EU foreign affairs minister Catherine Ashton and Etonian foreign affairs minister Urmas Paet who had just returned from Kiev, Paet reports: "There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition." Paet goes on to report that "all the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and then people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides . . . and it’s really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don’t want to investigate what exactly happened." Ashton, absorbed with EU plans to guide reforms in Ukraine and to prepare the way for the IMF to gain control over economic policy, was not particularly pleased to hear Paet's report that the killings were an orchestrated provocation. You can listen to the conversation between Paet and Ashton here: http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/

What has happened in Ukraine is that Washington plotted against and overthrew an elected legitimate government and then lost control to neo-nazis who are threatening the large Russian population in southern and eastern Ukraine, provinces that formerly were part of Russia. These threatened Russians have appealed for Russia's help, and just like the Russians in South Ossetia, they will receive Russia's help.

The Obama regime and its presstitutes will continue to lie about everything.

Propaganda Rules the News

no photo
Thu 03/06/14 01:07 PM


This is similar to what happened in Syria..

Assad knew that the only logical way he would be toppled was if he used chemical weapons.

He is a very educated man. He knew this..

So did the al qaeda terrorists..

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened in Ukraine..

It was total chaos.. If the opposition did do this they knew it would oust Yanukovych and since they would take power no one would know the difference..



on the other hand,the Opposition knew that he knew that the Opposition knew!

Then we still have Putin,Factor X!
Counter-counter-Punches!
These days things are fought out in Cyberspace as much as on the Ground,which makes for even more Smoke and Mirrors!
Besides,the departed President wasn't exactly what you can call a Clean Sheet of Paper either!
Sort of a Felon,and as corrupt as they come in that Neck of the woods!bigsmile


Sir I respectfully submit that your perceived extreme prejudice is clouding your vision of exactly what is going on here. Not that anybody is claiming to be a boy scout, but in this case he is not at fault.

This is but another case of the US regime taking down another elected government to meet their agenda. This US government is not representative of the American people but of the corporate banking world trying to achieve world dominance at the price of our glorious republic.

The problem in the US is the vast amount of the population that sucks at the governments teets and are just too stupid to thing about anything not hand fed them by government and the mass media, both being owned by the bankers, specifically the Federal Reserve.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 03/06/14 01:08 PM



This is similar to what happened in Syria..

Assad knew that the only logical way he would be toppled was if he used chemical weapons.

He is a very educated man. He knew this..

So did the al qaeda terrorists..

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened in Ukraine..

It was total chaos.. If the opposition did do this they knew it would oust Yanukovych and since they would take power no one would know the difference..



on the other hand,the Opposition knew that he knew that the Opposition knew!

Then we still have Putin,Factor X!
Counter-counter-Punches!
These days things are fought out in Cyberspace as much as on the Ground,which makes for even more Smoke and Mirrors!
Besides,the departed President wasn't exactly what you can call a Clean Sheet of Paper either!
Sort of a Felon,and as corrupt as they come in that Neck of the woods!bigsmile


Sir I respectfully submit that your perceived extreme prejudice is clouding your vision of exactly what is going on here. Not that anybody is claiming to be a boy scout, but in this case he is not at fault.

This is but another case of the US regime taking down another elected government to meet their agenda. This US government is not representative of the American people but of the corporate banking world trying to achieve world dominance at the price of our glorious republic.

The problem in the US is the vast amount of the population that sucks at the governments teets and are just too stupid to thing about anything not hand fed them by government and the mass media, both being owned by the bankers, specifically the Federal Reserve.

I couldn't care what you submit!
He is a Crook,and so is his whole Gang,including your Hero Putin!laugh

smart2009's photo
Thu 03/06/14 01:08 PM
Edited by smart2009 on Thu 03/06/14 01:21 PM
Ukraine Kiev Protest : Sniper Fires On Cops | Raw ... - YouTube.
( 18 ) Ukraine Martyrs: Kiev , Snipers shooting at unarmed ... - YouTube
Paet:"All the evidence shows that people who were killed by snipers from both sides, policemen and people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides. ... Some photos that showed it is the same handwriting, the same type of bullets, and it is really disturbing that now the new coalition they don't want to investigate what exactly happened.So there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition."

no photo
Thu 03/06/14 01:10 PM

Just another reason for us to mind our own business.

If our allies need us, we are better off prepared than scattered around the globe wasting resources and money


It would probably be much better if we just put in an order for condoms that even exceeds that of the bullets ordered and just start screwing our allies. Need the condoms to keep from catching the diseases our allies seem to be carrying.

no photo
Thu 03/06/14 01:13 PM


I couldn't care what you submit!
He is a Crook,and so is his whole Gang,including your Hero Putin!laugh


I would say that pretty much proves the point.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 03/06/14 01:15 PM



I couldn't care what you submit!
He is a Crook,and so is his whole Gang,including your Hero Putin!laugh


I would say that pretty much proves the point.

Yep,if you want to lose your Shirt,do Business with Putin and his Oligarchs!
Consider yourself lucky if your Shirt is the only thing you lose!

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Thu 03/06/14 01:35 PM


The House Energyand Commerce Committee is giving its blessing to a bill being introduced Thursday by Rep. Cory Gardner, R-Colo., who is running for Senate.
Gardner said his bill to expedite natural gas exports "serves our national securityinterests as an aggressive Russian regime looks to expand power in former Soviet Union countries. By acting to speed up export approvals, we can help our allies in the region and across the globe while creating jobs and economic opportunity here in Colorado."
It comes as Republicans and centrist Democrats in both the House and the Senate are amplifying calls to speed natural gas export approvals to give Ukraine relief from Russia. Gazprom, Russia's state-owned energy firm, supplies most of the Ukraine's energy, and Russian President Vladimir Putin wields his natural gas supplies as a diplomatic stick in Central and Eastern Europe.
The Ukraine situation has proven a talking point for Republicans and centrist Democrats who are displeased with the pace of Energy Department approvals for natural gas exports to nations that lack a free-trade agreement with the U.S. The DOE must find such exports in the public interest — it has green-lighted six projects, with 24 pending.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/ukraine-a-talking-point-for-both-backers-and-detractors-of-natural-gas-exports/article/2545225
http://www.eenews.net/stories/1059995636


Oh yes, that is what the US people need, destroy our environment to provide for idiots we could care less about so we can punish Russia. So just whom is being punished?

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Storage for the waste water can take place either on site, in an injection well, or in open air ponds in the surrounding areas. Transport of the waste poses a contamination risk outside the actual well location. Air pollution also extends beyond the immediate drilling site and transportation route, since a by-product of natural gas drilling is methane gas, one of the worst greenhouse gas pollutants contributing to climate change.


And we all know our government is here to serve and protect, but just whom?

Natural gas plays a key role in our nation's clean energy future.


EPA is working with states and other key stakeholders to help ensure that natural gas extraction does not come at the expense of public health and the environment. The Agency's focus and obligations under the law are to provide oversight, guidance and, where appropriate, rulemaking that achieve the best possible protections for the air, water and land where Americans live, work and play. The Agency is investing in improving our scientific understanding of hydraulic fracturing, providing regulatory clarity with respect to existing laws, and using existing authorities where appropriate to enhance health and environmental safeguards.