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Topic: Crimean Crisis
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Mon 03/03/14 10:44 AM
Putin sent a get-well message to former President George W. Bush, saying “there is an American president he gets along with” and it’s not Obama:

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Mon 03/03/14 10:53 AM
stands to reason Russia wants control over the Area where their Black-sea-Fleet is based!
They were always nuts about a Cordon Sanitaire,especially after the one Hitler pulled on them in WWII,when Germany and the USSR had a Common Border with Soviet-Russia in Poland,one of the dumber things Stalin let happen!

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Mon 03/03/14 03:03 PM

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Mon 03/03/14 03:07 PM

Putin sent a get-well message to former President George W. Bush, saying “there is an American president he gets along with” and it’s not Obama:


That's because President Bush kept Putin on a leash and knew he wasn't one to be messed with.

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Mon 03/03/14 06:56 PM


Here is a great little interview on the situation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us2yUn30Xm8

US and Russia clash over Ukraine

You will have to cut and paste because WordPress has an issue with secure links.
thanks Sir. I just checked your profile I don't mean any arm but just a caution because you may receive drons in your neighbourhood soon searching for you. LOL


I'm not worried about drones, there are a few here that know what I know already but most just deny and aren't about to wake up.

The NSA are just laughing their butts off, why would they want to ruin a source of amusement.

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Mon 03/03/14 07:01 PM


This Is The Gas Pipeline Map That Shows Why The Crisis In Ukraine Affects All Of Europe

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-one-economic-reason-russias-invasion-of-crimea-pulls-in-europe-2014-3


Yep, trying to back Russia into a corner. Hey isn't a bear in a corner much more dangerous than a mouse?

And just imagine the results when the IMF gets their hooks into Ukraine.

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Mon 03/03/14 07:04 PM


Putin sent a get-well message to former President George W. Bush, saying “there is an American president he gets along with” and it’s not Obama:


That's because President Bush kept Putin on a leash and knew he wasn't one to be messed with.


Bush kept Putin on a leash, where do you come up with this stuff?

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Tue 03/04/14 03:39 AM
Edited by Unknow on Tue 03/04/14 03:41 AM



Here is a great little interview on the situation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us2yUn30Xm8

US and Russia clash over Ukraine

You will have to cut and paste because WordPress has an issue with secure links.
thanks Sir. I just checked your profile I don't mean any arm but just a caution because you may receive drons in your neighbourhood soon searching for you. LOL


I'm not worried about drones, there are a few here that know what I know already but most just deny and aren't about to wake up.

The NSA are just laughing their butts off, why would they want to ruin a source of amusement.
I think you're one of the most awesome "positive realists" of the friends I have from USA. yeah it's high time they woke up Sir.

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Tue 03/04/14 05:34 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 03/04/14 05:54 AM



Putin sent a get-well message to former President George W. Bush, saying “there is an American president he gets along with” and it’s not Obama:


That's because President Bush kept Putin on a leash and knew he wasn't one to be messed with.


Bush kept Putin on a leash, where do you come up with this stuff?


Putin on a leash?! rofl He's KGB, wrestles bears, and walks around like Iron Man in a country that is supposed to hate him.

I think his fuse is being misinterpreted as a leash in that statement.

Putin was afraid of Cheney and company. Who isn't afraid of someone crazier than they are who can attack a sovereign nation for its resources, torture prisoners, cancel the Constitution ending their peoples rights, spit in NATOs eye and still make them dance, and make their people believe it's necessary.... even after proven it was all based on lies..... and get away with it?

With Obozo in power, Putin is like Godzilla in a doll house!

Putin, like we did, has just sat back and let us bankrupt ourselves in Afghanistan as his predecessor did, bringing his nation to its knees and ending its world power.

Now that we're a joke after 5 years of "fantasy" leadership, bankrupt, cutting our miliary, appointing bankers and lawyers to positions of power instead of statesmen and old soldiers, who's going to stop him from regaining a leadership role in the world.... Obozo evens funds and arms Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood and then turns our own spy apparatus against us instead of our supposed "enemies".

Yep, his (Obozos') leadership is a fantasy.... even the WaPo admits it now.

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Tue 03/04/14 07:10 AM


Putin on a leash?! rofl He's KGB, wrestles bears, and walks around like Iron Man in a country that is supposed to hate him.

I think his fuse is being misinterpreted as a leash in that statement.

Putin was afraid of Cheney and company. Who isn't afraid of someone crazier than they are who can attack a sovereign nation for its resources, torture prisoners, cancel the Constitution ending their peoples rights, spit in NATOs eye and still make them dance, and make their people believe it's necessary.... even after proven it was all based on lies..... and get away with it?

With Obozo in power, Putin is like Godzilla in a doll house!

Putin, like we did, has just sat back and let us bankrupt ourselves in Afghanistan as his predecessor did, bringing his nation to its knees and ending its world power.

Now that we're a joke after 5 years of "fantasy" leadership, bankrupt, cutting our miliary, appointing bankers and lawyers to positions of power instead of statesmen and old soldiers, who's going to stop him from regaining a leadership role in the world.... Obozo evens funds and arms Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood and then turns our own spy apparatus against us instead of our supposed "enemies".

Yep, his (Obozos') leadership is a fantasy.... even the WaPo admits it now.


And on the opposing team we have....


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Tue 03/04/14 01:55 PM

As I said before, Putins no fool!

It seems he may have caught the IMF/World Bank and their NATO puppets with their pants down and their a$$es exposed, while they were playing the US, EU and the UN like a fiddle!

Read for yourself and see what you think.....

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/04/crimea-river/

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Tue 03/04/14 02:59 PM


As I said before, Putins no fool!

It seems he may have caught the IMF/World Bank and their NATO puppets with their pants down and their a$$es exposed, while they were playing the US, EU and the UN like a fiddle!

Read for yourself and see what you think.....

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/04/crimea-river/


Pretty much follows right in order what I have been posting, follow the money and you find the truth.

The interesting part though was the Turks, the same thing as Syria and the chemical weapons following Benghazi. There should also be a Saudi connection there somewhere.

And of course everything is orchestrated by the banker from the US and Britain.

But the article from earlier where Putin says he doesn't care about the sanctions. He doesn't and has some slick stuff up his sleeve. The people of the world may win this yet.

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Tue 03/04/14 07:24 PM
G7 leaders to boycott G8 Summit in Sochi.

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Tue 03/04/14 07:29 PM

G7 leaders to boycott G8 Summit in Sochi.


So that leaves one leader and 7 lap dogs.

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Tue 03/04/14 08:11 PM
Edited by smart2009 on Tue 03/04/14 09:00 PM
Don't stop Putin as he makes mistakes in Crimea.
http://m.dailystar.com.lb/Opinion/Columnist/2014/Mar-04/249137-dont-stop-putin-as-he-makes-mistakes-in-crimea.ashx
Napoleon is said to have cautioned during an 1805 battle: “When the enemy is making a false movement, we must take good care not to interrupt him.” The citation is also sometimes rendered as “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
Vladimir Putin made a mistake invading Crimea, escalating a crisis for Russia that has been brewing for many months. It might have been beneficial if U.S. President Barack Obama dissuaded him from this error. But Putin’s move into Crimea seems to spring from a deeper misjudgment about the reversibility of the process that led to the breakup of Soviet Union in 1991. The further Russia wades into this revanchist strategy, the worse its troubles will become.
The Russian leader’s nostalgia for the past was on display at the Sochi Olympics. As David Remnick wrote last week in The New Yorker, Putin regards the fall of the Soviet Union as a “tragic error,” and the Olympics celebrated his vision that a strong Russia is back. That attitude led Putin to what Secretary of State John Kerry Sunday described as a “brazen act of aggression” and a “violation of [Russia’s] international obligations.”
Kerry called on Putin to “undo this act of aggression.” The Russian leader would save himself immense grief by following Kerry’s advice, but that seems unlikely. His mistake in Sevastopol may lead to others elsewhere, though hopefully Putin will avoid reckless actions. But the more Putin seeks to assert Russia’s strength, the more he will actually underline its weakness.
Perhaps inevitably, given Washington’s political monomania, the big subject over the weekend wasn’t Putin’s criminal attack on Crimea, but whether Obama had encouraged it by being insufficiently muscular. There are many criticisms to be made of Obama’s foreign policy, especially in Syria, but the notion that Putin’s attack is somehow America’s fault is perverse.
For two months, Washington has prodded the European Union to take the crisis more seriously. I’m told U.S. intelligence showed Putin was impatient with pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych and wanted him to crack down more on protesters in Maidan Square. Putin’s distaste for Yanukovych has been obvious since the Ukrainian leader fled the capital a week ago.
What Putin misunderstands most is that the center of gravity for the former Soviet Union has shifted West. Former Soviet satellites such as Poland and the Czech Republic are prosperous members of the EU. The nations that made up what was once Yugoslavia have survived their bloody breakup, and most have emerged as strong democracies. Ukraine was set to join this movement toward the European Union last November when Yanukovych suddenly suspended trade and financial talks with the EU and accepted what amounted to a $15 billion bribe from Putin to stay in Russia’s camp. To the tens of thousands of courageous Ukrainians who braved the cold and police brutality to protest, Yanukovych’s submission to Moscow looked like an attempt to reverse history.
The opportunity for Putin is almost precisely opposite his atavistic vision of restoration. It is only by moving West, toward Europe, that Russia itself can reverse its demographic and political trap. Year by year, the Russian political system becomes more of a corrupt Oriental despotism – with Moscow closer to Almaty than Berlin. The alternative is for Ukraine to encourage Russia to move with it toward the West.
As former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski explained in a 2008 book, “If Ukraine moves to the West, first to the EU, eventually maybe to NATO, the probability that Russia will move toward Europe is far greater. ... Russians will eventually say, ‘Our future will be safest, our control over the Far East territories will be most assured ... if there is a kind of Atlantic community that stretches from Lisbon to Vladivostok.’”
Putin’s Russia may well make more mistakes: We may see a cascading chain of error that brings Russian troops deeper into Ukraine and sets the stage for civil war. Those are the kind of miscalculations that lead to catastrophic consequences, and Obama would be wise to deter Russian aggression without specifying too clearly what the U.S. ladder of escalation might be.
But Americans and Europeans should agree that this is a story about Putin’s violation of the international order. I’d be happy if we could interrupt Russia’s mistakes, but so far, Putin insists on doing the wrong thing.

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Wed 03/05/14 07:41 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Wed 03/05/14 08:37 AM

If a foreign power, noted for its aggressions, wanted to put a missile system in Mexico, but 1st arranged a coup taking power from it's govt, and installing one of their puppets as interum ruler, then giving them a BILLION dollars as a bribe, would we send troops?

Putin did.

Think "Bay of Pigs" in reverse..... and Putin playing the part of Kennedy this go-round

Putin may not be a "nice" guy, but he is the leader of his country, he DID confer with his parliment, and they too considered it a reasonable threat.

It might be time to remember a little history....and consider the future!

Saddam outed the bankers
Ghadaffi outed the bankers
Iran outed the bankers
N Korea outed the bankers
Cuba outed the bankers
Putin outed the bankers

Seems the S American countries that do the same, meet the same fate, as well as the African nations whose new puppets then allow NATO influence and the IMF in..... worsening the poverty of the people they claim to want to help, yet corporations flourish

The Taliban cut off the flow of heroine from Afghanistan....the US CIA cash cow for "Black OPs" and a big chunck of the Pakistan (our friends?) economy. Russia wanted it, we made sure they didn't get it. When we then tried to take it, those we "trained, armed, and funded (Bin Laden and the CIAs Al Qaeda)" turned against us as well.

The BRICs nations..... are they our enemies..... or the bankers enemies?

Do we attack Iceland or Greenland next?

Does anyone TRULY not see the real agenda here and who is playing puppet master behind these manipulations?

All the AIPAC puppets are out in force, beating the war drums....McShame, Graham and the whole lot of them.... with the corporate media pouring fuel on the fire!

As much as I hate to admit it, despite his own illegal and unconstitutional agenda, Obozo is doing the right thing, even if for the wrong reasons, or in the wrong way, but he has made us (America) and himself irrelevant to the equation at this point, and Putin knows that too!

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Wed 03/05/14 07:57 AM
I find the above article to have a distinctive slant towards the west and leaves out substantial facts, i.e....

Skullduggery in Ukraine

"Is Putin Crimea Coup Reaction to a Nulandized Kiev Government that Might have Intended to Evict the Russian Black Sea Fleet?"


It would be disingenuous for the Obama administration to claim that it has not intervened in Ukraine.

The full extent of US meddling is unclear, but US support for the pro-EU political movement, verbally, through the implementation of sanctions, and through the extensive network of US-affiliated regime-change NGOs such as CANVAS, was unambiguous.

The Obama administration apparently gave a free hand to Victoria Nuland, assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs. Why Ms. Nuland occupies a position of influence in the Democratic Obama administration is something of a puzzle; prior to her elevation to assistant secretary she had served in a rather modest capacity as a State Department spokesperson. However, she is married to Robert Kagan, a well-known neo-conservative and co-founder of PNAC, whose writings President Obama professes to admire.

In any case, Nuland was on the ground in Ukraine during the upheaval, talking up the demonstrations and famously visiting the Maidan protesters in December to distribute bread and biscuits in a photo op. She also made the famous "F**k the EU" remark in a telephone strategy session with the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt.


But what is really fishy about this whole affair, new elections were on the horizon, so what's the story there....


What amazes me is the widespread desire to turn this rather sordid escapade into a "good vs. evil" "US vs. Russia" cage match. It began even before the Crimea crisis with disregard for the fact that the protesters, instead of standing up against tyranny, were simply trying to overturn an election whose results they didn't particularly like. It continued with the uncritical valorizing of the protesters in Maidan, who relied on some unsavory neo-Nazi extreme right Ukraine chauvinists to serve as shock troops in violent attacks upon the police.

Before the coup it was openly acknowledged that the purpose of the Euromaidan movement was to repudiate Yanyukovich’s decision to reject an EU agreement and bring Ukraine into the Russia-led Customs Union-and the unrest was justified on grounds that, once Ukraine entered into the Customs Union, its pro-Russia/anti-EU orientation would be irrevocable.

But after the coup, despite the fact that the new government relies on a slate of fantastically rich oligarchs both at the national and local level to sustain its rule, Western commentators immediately spun the coup as a popular uprising against a kleptocratic regime.

I can only imagine that the purpose was to deny Russia a basis for claiming that its interests in a rather important bordering state had been trampled on by an anti-Russia putsch, and that it had a legitimate interest in interfering.

But the proper riposte to corrupt officialdom is to vote the bastards out, not overthrow them. Whenever I hear the "klepper" defense, I am immediately suspicious of the advocate employing it.


And the claim the Russia become more and more corrupt day by day. Perhaps one should really examine the true nature of the powers...


In passing, I would like to address one of the hoariest canards of the Ukraine crisis: that Russian would recapitulate its actions of 2008, when it invaded Georgia. This assertion has been made by Reuters, AP, and I think quite a few others.

The facts-internationally recognized facts, I should say-was that Georgia used the occasion of the Beijing Olympics to launch a carefully planned invasion to recapture the breakaway province of South Ossetia-which was at the time autonomous under a truce agreement negotiated by Russia, Georgia, and the Ossetians in Sochi in 1993. The Georgians massed 12,000+ troops against 1000 Russian peacekeepers and a few hundred Ossetian militia. Georgia had apparently not anticipated a Russian intervention, and its forces were completely routed when the Russians indeed counterattacked.

Hopefully, the Georgia parallel will stand up in one regard: that the Russians promptly withdrew from Georgian territory after their objectives were met. And they did not annex South Ossetia; they allowed it to declare independence instead.


Is this not what is being asked by Crimea? After all they have not traditionally been a part of Ukraine until 1954. And Crimea is an autonomous area in the Ukraine.

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Wed 03/05/14 09:45 AM
Turkey gives US Navy ship authorization to cross Bosphorus.
http://m.digitaljournal.com/news/politics/turkey-gives-us-navy-ship-authorization-to-cross-bosphorus/article/374516
A mere day after Turkish F-16s were scrambled to intercept a Russian surveillance plane near its air space, Turkey has given a US warship permission to cross its Bosphorus Strait into the Black Sea.
Turkey's Hurriyet Daily Newssays its sources have not given the name of the US warship. They have however said it is not the nuclear powered aircraft carrier U.S.S.George H.W. Bushas has been suggested.The 1936 ...
As reported here yesterdayTurkey -- a member of the NATO military alliance -- had scrambled eight of its F-16 Fighting Falcon jet fighters to intercept a Russian surveillance plane which was flying along its Black Sea frontier.
This latest deployment of at least one US Navy ship into the Black Sea comes amidst fears that the standoff between the western power bloc and the Russian Federation over the Ukrainian Crimean Peninsula could become more militarized and therefore more dangerous.
This writer pointed out last Septemberbefore the present crisis in the Crimea that Russian warships were crossing the strait very frequently throughout 2013.

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Wed 03/05/14 10:01 AM

I find the above article to have a distinctive slant towards the west and leaves out substantial facts, i.e....

Skullduggery in Ukraine

"Is Putin Crimea Coup Reaction to a Nulandized Kiev Government that Might have Intended to Evict the Russian Black Sea Fleet?"


It would be disingenuous for the Obama administration to claim that it has not intervened in Ukraine.

The full extent of US meddling is unclear, but US support for the pro-EU political movement, verbally, through the implementation of sanctions, and through the extensive network of US-affiliated regime-change NGOs such as CANVAS, was unambiguous.

The Obama administration apparently gave a free hand to Victoria Nuland, assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs. Why Ms. Nuland occupies a position of influence in the Democratic Obama administration is something of a puzzle; prior to her elevation to assistant secretary she had served in a rather modest capacity as a State Department spokesperson. However, she is married to Robert Kagan, a well-known neo-conservative and co-founder of PNAC, whose writings President Obama professes to admire.

In any case, Nuland was on the ground in Ukraine during the upheaval, talking up the demonstrations and famously visiting the Maidan protesters in December to distribute bread and biscuits in a photo op. She also made the famous "F**k the EU" remark in a telephone strategy session with the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt.


But what is really fishy about this whole affair, new elections were on the horizon, so what's the story there....


What amazes me is the widespread desire to turn this rather sordid escapade into a "good vs. evil" "US vs. Russia" cage match. It began even before the Crimea crisis with disregard for the fact that the protesters, instead of standing up against tyranny, were simply trying to overturn an election whose results they didn't particularly like. It continued with the uncritical valorizing of the protesters in Maidan, who relied on some unsavory neo-Nazi extreme right Ukraine chauvinists to serve as shock troops in violent attacks upon the police.

Before the coup it was openly acknowledged that the purpose of the Euromaidan movement was to repudiate Yanyukovich’s decision to reject an EU agreement and bring Ukraine into the Russia-led Customs Union-and the unrest was justified on grounds that, once Ukraine entered into the Customs Union, its pro-Russia/anti-EU orientation would be irrevocable.

But after the coup, despite the fact that the new government relies on a slate of fantastically rich oligarchs both at the national and local level to sustain its rule, Western commentators immediately spun the coup as a popular uprising against a kleptocratic regime.

I can only imagine that the purpose was to deny Russia a basis for claiming that its interests in a rather important bordering state had been trampled on by an anti-Russia putsch, and that it had a legitimate interest in interfering.

But the proper riposte to corrupt officialdom is to vote the bastards out, not overthrow them. Whenever I hear the "klepper" defense, I am immediately suspicious of the advocate employing it.


And the claim the Russia become more and more corrupt day by day. Perhaps one should really examine the true nature of the powers...


In passing, I would like to address one of the hoariest canards of the Ukraine crisis: that Russian would recapitulate its actions of 2008, when it invaded Georgia. This assertion has been made by Reuters, AP, and I think quite a few others.

The facts-internationally recognized facts, I should say-was that Georgia used the occasion of the Beijing Olympics to launch a carefully planned invasion to recapture the breakaway province of South Ossetia-which was at the time autonomous under a truce agreement negotiated by Russia, Georgia, and the Ossetians in Sochi in 1993. The Georgians massed 12,000+ troops against 1000 Russian peacekeepers and a few hundred Ossetian militia. Georgia had apparently not anticipated a Russian intervention, and its forces were completely routed when the Russians indeed counterattacked.

Hopefully, the Georgia parallel will stand up in one regard: that the Russians promptly withdrew from Georgian territory after their objectives were met. And they did not annex South Ossetia; they allowed it to declare independence instead.


Is this not what is being asked by Crimea? After all they have not traditionally been a part of Ukraine until 1954. And Crimea is an autonomous area in the Ukraine.


Old Nikita screwed up when he gifted Crimea to Ukraine,which was a Soviet-Republic at that time,within the Framework of the USSR,but in '90 came the Big Dump,and Ukraine with Crimea became independent!laugh

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