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Topic: is reality a singular truth?
Sequa's photo
Tue 02/11/14 02:15 AM
This philosophical question is grounded in science.
Young demonstrated with a light and two slits that light was a wave.
Einstein wrote a paper on the photoelectric effect that demonstrated that light was particle. From science we move to philosophy. Both conclusions were proved scientifically correct.

Is the real universe a fixed and singular thing? If so we can be right and wrong about it, or something in between. Quantum mechanics suggests a similarity to mysticism. It depends on us, our thought and interaction.

It there one absolute and fixed truth about reality? Science says otherwise. It depends on you and your interaction. I doubt that reality is some fixed singularity "out there". There is no singular truth, it depends on you.

metalwing's photo
Tue 02/11/14 06:44 AM
Science has proven that there is one fixed overwhelming truth that transcends all science, nature, and opinion.

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no photo
Tue 02/11/14 12:38 PM
The fact that say a simple shadow wasn't hard edged alluded to the possibility that light was a wave, I think, was the favored early opinion..or have I remembered it all wrongly... well I am very forgetful at times :)

The double slit experiment has significantly advanced into what men of science call a jolly good debate where the swill brandy ad talk pants, and loony slipper wearers, such as my self,call a bloody nightmare.

Infact the double slit has been discussed on every forum i was ever on. ever will be on and all that time traveling malarkey (hypothesized in the new experiments)

I don't understand it. No-one currently does. You will find the current version supports its either or, or both a particle (or packet on quanta if you prefer em terms) and wave.

Which makes your question difficult..Incidentally science proves nowt; a bit like the double slit experiment

I just side with Einstein on that one cause he was brainy

The universe - again no-one can explain it, it may be one:
expansion and contraction of near infinity (as infinity doth no exists)
It may be one of a great many with many observers...so to spake and options which are sometimes, all times or no times right or wrong
Mysticisms and witchery who can say: one can argue quantum entanglement, or our current understanding is sadly lacking and we have no true reference point..dpesite what men of science or religion claim

vanaheim's photo
Wed 02/12/14 12:28 AM
Edited by vanaheim on Wed 02/12/14 12:37 AM
Yes I agree, nicely articulated thoughts too by the way,

I believe the 'quasi-mysticism' you romanticised maybe related to practicable japanese philosophies/religions to have filtered through martial arts and naturopathy circles since the 1930s, like mahayana-buddhism (shugenja), esoteric study traditions (ryuha), these cultural aspects filter across within karate dojos and arts venues, ecclectic subcultures of people start to spread their word around, next thing wiccans are talking about tibetan mikkyo and have no idea they are and it's kinda interesting.

Point I was making, sorry about that. I rant.

What you probably recognized was some of the pragmatism in this kind of approach, which is reminiscent of the old wizard in the Karate Kid, with wise words and a heavy stick when he needs that. It's pragmatic, being in the moment, mind/body/spirit as one, that you see the most and are as you indeed are.

It is a kind of quasi-mysticism, the classical wise old master way of looking at the world. It's not a bad skill to have in your toolbox.



edited to save double-posting, remember to absolutely regard all (your) hypotheses as falsifiable, a thing to be practised in thought, word and deed so as to become routine with all new thoughts. Keeps feet on the ground, biggest danger with big minds ;)
sure might sound weird to say but it's true, genuine maturity is proportionate with humility, it's the biggest tell on how much you can really cope with before losing the plot.
You seem pretty polite though, I'm sure not a concern.

thatdomguy's photo
Sat 02/15/14 08:05 PM
Truth is a "point of view", simply put. Beauty is in the eye...Non-tangible things like truth, beauty, right or wrong, are moral creations derived from personal experience.

mightymoe's photo
Sat 02/15/14 08:14 PM

This philosophical question is grounded in science.
Young demonstrated with a light and two slits that light was a wave.
Einstein wrote a paper on the photoelectric effect that demonstrated that light was particle. From science we move to philosophy. Both conclusions were proved scientifically correct.

Is the real universe a fixed and singular thing? If so we can be right and wrong about it, or something in between. Quantum mechanics suggests a similarity to mysticism. It depends on us, our thought and interaction.

It there one absolute and fixed truth about reality? Science says otherwise. It depends on you and your interaction. I doubt that reality is some fixed singularity "out there". There is no singular truth, it depends on you.


then it's your singular truth...

mightymoe's photo
Sat 02/15/14 08:17 PM

Truth is a "point of view", simply put. Beauty is in the eye...Non-tangible things like truth, beauty, right or wrong, are moral creations derived from personal experience.


truth can be both... the others are moral creations only...

if a tornado is heading towards you, thats a truth, there is a tornado... saying obama is a fool is only the truth for those who believe it...

no photo
Thu 02/20/14 10:10 PM
The absence of fear is not always a sign of bravery.
Yes I know...not very profound. I just thought it was a cool convo and I did not want to be left out -:)

no1phD's photo
Thu 02/20/14 10:30 PM
fine point of a Singler reality..lol

. did not want to be left out.D...

and what's this bit about no one can know the universe... phooey.. if that was the case we would not be here... talk..
about a..singularity.

vanaheim's photo
Fri 02/21/14 11:59 PM

The absence of fear is not always a sign of bravery.
Yes I know...not very profound. I just thought it was a cool convo and I did not want to be left out -:)


shugenja lore might suggest fear is merely a thought left without expression.

paranoia, now that's usually associated with guilt. I believe the intent of "no fear" as a positive social statement is really "no paranoia" but the articulation is dumbed down for pop-culture.

rmortonthatsme's photo
Sat 02/22/14 06:34 PM


Truth is a "point of view", simply put. Beauty is in the eye...Non-tangible things like truth, beauty, right or wrong, are moral creations derived from personal experience.


truth can be both... the others are moral creations only...

if a tornado is heading towards you, thats a truth, there is a tornado... saying obama is a fool is only the truth for those who believe it...


I tend to disagree, but only in the wording. If you replace the word "truth" with the word "fact" then I would agree. Truth isnt specific enough, for one can have a personal truth that others may not necessarily see.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 02/23/14 12:09 AM



Truth is a "point of view", simply put. Beauty is in the eye...Non-tangible things like truth, beauty, right or wrong, are moral creations derived from personal experience.


truth can be both... the others are moral creations only...

if a tornado is heading towards you, thats a truth, there is a tornado... saying obama is a fool is only the truth for those who believe it...


I tend to disagree, but only in the wording. If you replace the word "truth" with the word "fact" then I would agree. Truth isnt specific enough, for one can have a personal truth that others may not necessarily see.


yea, i think i just said that... truth is truth, your personal truth can be different from mine, and can be the same for everyone...

vanaheim's photo
Sun 02/23/14 01:01 AM
Throw in quantum entanglement for two completely different, identical truths.


yes, it hurt my brain just thinking it.

indignus's photo
Sun 02/23/14 02:31 AM
Edited by indignus on Sun 02/23/14 02:31 AM
I don't think we know enough about existence to answer that question.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 02/23/14 01:56 PM

Throw in quantum entanglement for two completely different, identical truths.


yes, it hurt my brain just thinking it.


laugh

mightymoe's photo
Sun 02/23/14 01:58 PM

I don't think we know enough about existence to answer that question.

we learn more everyday, because we do exsist

vanaheim's photo
Wed 02/26/14 11:48 PM
I'm way of the reservation with this, just random nonscience, but theoretically we should be like microcosms for the way the universe works shouldn't we?

Which does sound reminiscent of Plato, which is actually where 3rd century christianity adopted it from (it's not in hebrew scripture).
The divine spark of mankind, the immortal soul.
In hebrew the term mistranslated for christian bibles actually means to breathe, and is in scripture as the law about declaring a medical death, it has nothing to do with afterlives or divine immortal spirits or anything like that but there you go.

Fracus16's photo
Thu 02/27/14 12:12 AM
I loved philosophy in college. No wrong answer.

How about reality is perception, no question. That is singular. And billions of people on this planet means what?

Both, no question about it.

Now, to add another dimension to reality.
We hardly ever tap into bout subconscious. Only when we dream and other rare incidents unless you're a meditating guru. What is if all this "reality" while we're awake is really a dream. And our true self, our spirit, soul whatever you want to call it, is the reality of our subconscious? There are many out there that believe this. That true self and reality lie in the subconscious.

I need small chronic break. Be back soon.

Yo jazz, light one up and lets step outside by the dogs!!!!

Fracus16's photo
Thu 02/27/14 01:17 AM
And thanks sequa!!! Good one

no1phD's photo
Thu 02/27/14 01:21 AM
. so that was your subconscious texting...wow...lol.jk.. and I'll take a pull off of that.. by the dogs you say.lol

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