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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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You can nickle and dime this topic all day but what is so telling is that they had to have let it happen if it happened as described by our honest government. So the result is every american now has to be spied on 24/7? every text, post and phone call? What the hell are we afraid of? ourselves? So, it's all right to quote minutiae when it suits you, but it suddenly becomes irrelevant when debunked. You can dismiss everything that is inconvenient to your story with a handwave, but it doesn't change the fact that truthers have been clogging up message boards with garbage for 12 years and yet nothing has come of their stories. No prima facie case, no evidence, just hysteria and silly tales. I think a better question is, "What are YOU afraid of?" |
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You can nickle and dime this topic all day but what is so telling is that they had to have let it happen if it happened as described by our honest government. So the result is every american now has to be spied on 24/7? every text, post and phone call? What the hell are we afraid of? ourselves? So, it's all right to quote minutiae when it suits you, but it suddenly becomes irrelevant when debunked. You can dismiss everything that is inconvenient to your story with a handwave, but it doesn't change the fact that truthers have been clogging up message boards with garbage for 12 years and yet nothing has come of their stories. No prima facie case, no evidence, just hysteria and silly tales. I think a better question is, "What are YOU afraid of?" |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Wasting my time with an Australian who has no vested interest in this topic as I do being an American. Your simply not worth my energy. So, as I expected, when you don't have a valid answer you always resort to this stultifying tactic in order to justify your opinion. I was waiting for it. Whether American or Australian, it's immaterial, and to make the distinction is a rather dishonest exit strategy for you. Don't you think surveillance increased here after the Bali Bombings? Don't you think it increased in Britain after the London Bombings? In Spain after Madrid? They are all connected to 9/11, and this is a global problem which has little to do with being a US citizen, and it is certainly not confined to the US. Australians and citizens from other nations are dying in Afghanistan and ASIO are monitoring our communications just as the NSA are monitoring yours, so don't give me that jingoistic garbage. Anyway, I'm not really all that interested in your opinion, as I've heard the same things over and over again, but that of those who haven't fallen fully for the truther BS. |
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I think about it a lot. I googled skyscraper fires. There are some bad ones. None of them collapsed the buildings. Not true, there have been partial collapses previously, (one in the Netherlands IIRC) but the factor you have overlooked is that the fires you googled were fought. WTC7 wasn't for 7 hours. Is this a feature of the others you looked at? No. Moreover, have any other skyscraper fires occurred in buildings with a similar design using similar materials? No. Please don't fall for the logic fail so many truthers succumb to, that is, "this has never happened before so it must be a CD". That is just poor logic and reasoning as many things happened for the first time on that day and they aren't given any significance. Now think about this, if a building was damaged on one side by debris or whatever, and did fall. Would it not fall to the weaker side and not come straight down like a controlled demolition. The interior collapsed before the outside shell. This was due to the failure of column 79(?) under the Penthouse and you can see this in the video. The collapse of the interior started under the penthouse on one side and then progressed toward the other with the outside shell following suit soon after. Earlier when someone quoted 6 seconds for the collapse they failed to realise that this merely applied to the exterior and the actual collapse began 8 seconds prior. I suggest you follow the link I posted for you and then you will have a better understanding of the collapse. There is a mountain of work on the subject and you can read more of the scientific details at JREF. If you genuinely seek to understand the subject, I am willing to provide you with the information. However, if you are just another truther troll.... I assume you are referring to the "Biljmer Disaster" El Al Flight 1862 ? I had not looked at that before. From what I see, that crash proves my point. The section of the building hit by the plane was badly damaged, the rest looks structurally sound. Steel buildings don't just disintegrate when they are damaged. If you look at "Demolition Fail Compilation, Best Demolition Failures" on U tube,you may find it interesting. One building in particular was cut off at the bottom, fell on it's side and still retained its shape. Now compare that to "New Frontier Hotel Implosion Las Vegas" I just don't see how a fire could possibly bring down a steel building in the same way a controlled demolition does. |
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The 30-year-old man who interrupted Super Bowl MVP Malcolm Smith's postgame news conference to demand an investigation into 9/11 says he used an old festival credential to get past what was supposed to be air-tight security at MetLife Stadium. http://news.yahoo.com/911-truther-super-bowl-135800473.html;_ylt=A0LEV1jTGvFS.wkA.h5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzN2FuMG1nBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDA3N18x Funny how this issue never goes away, despite the 24/7 propaganda campaign. 
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I think about it a lot. I googled skyscraper fires. There are some bad ones. None of them collapsed the buildings. Not true, there have been partial collapses previously, (one in the Netherlands IIRC) but the factor you have overlooked is that the fires you googled were fought. WTC7 wasn't for 7 hours. Is this a feature of the others you looked at? No. Moreover, have any other skyscraper fires occurred in buildings with a similar design using similar materials? No. Please don't fall for the logic fail so many truthers succumb to, that is, "this has never happened before so it must be a CD". That is just poor logic and reasoning as many things happened for the first time on that day and they aren't given any significance. Now think about this, if a building was damaged on one side by debris or whatever, and did fall. Would it not fall to the weaker side and not come straight down like a controlled demolition. The interior collapsed before the outside shell. This was due to the failure of column 79(?) under the Penthouse and you can see this in the video. The collapse of the interior started under the penthouse on one side and then progressed toward the other with the outside shell following suit soon after. Earlier when someone quoted 6 seconds for the collapse they failed to realise that this merely applied to the exterior and the actual collapse began 8 seconds prior. I suggest you follow the link I posted for you and then you will have a better understanding of the collapse. There is a mountain of work on the subject and you can read more of the scientific details at JREF. If you genuinely seek to understand the subject, I am willing to provide you with the information. However, if you are just another truther troll.... I assume you are referring to the "Biljmer Disaster" El Al Flight 1862 ? I had not looked at that before. From what I see, that crash proves my point. The section of the building hit by the plane was badly damaged, the rest looks structurally sound. Steel buildings don't just disintegrate when they are damaged. If you look at "Demolition Fail Compilation, Best Demolition Failures" on U tube,you may find it interesting. One building in particular was cut off at the bottom, fell on it's side and still retained its shape. Now compare that to "New Frontier Hotel Implosion Las Vegas" I just don't see how a fire could possibly bring down a steel building in the same way a controlled demolition does. He already has the information and it has been posted here before. He just brings this crap up because he can't understand the science. Just look and the "steel melts at 3000F" garbage. Steel supporting loads doesn't get the chance to turn liquid before being unable to support significant weight. About 800 to 1,000F would bring down most buildings. The fire was about 1,800F. |
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I think about it a lot. I googled skyscraper fires. There are some bad ones. None of them collapsed the buildings. Not true, there have been partial collapses previously, (one in the Netherlands IIRC) but the factor you have overlooked is that the fires you googled were fought. WTC7 wasn't for 7 hours. Is this a feature of the others you looked at? No. Moreover, have any other skyscraper fires occurred in buildings with a similar design using similar materials? No. Please don't fall for the logic fail so many truthers succumb to, that is, "this has never happened before so it must be a CD". That is just poor logic and reasoning as many things happened for the first time on that day and they aren't given any significance. Now think about this, if a building was damaged on one side by debris or whatever, and did fall. Would it not fall to the weaker side and not come straight down like a controlled demolition. The interior collapsed before the outside shell. This was due to the failure of column 79(?) under the Penthouse and you can see this in the video. The collapse of the interior started under the penthouse on one side and then progressed toward the other with the outside shell following suit soon after. Earlier when someone quoted 6 seconds for the collapse they failed to realise that this merely applied to the exterior and the actual collapse began 8 seconds prior. I suggest you follow the link I posted for you and then you will have a better understanding of the collapse. There is a mountain of work on the subject and you can read more of the scientific details at JREF. If you genuinely seek to understand the subject, I am willing to provide you with the information. However, if you are just another truther troll.... I assume you are referring to the "Biljmer Disaster" El Al Flight 1862 ? I had not looked at that before. From what I see, that crash proves my point. The section of the building hit by the plane was badly damaged, the rest looks structurally sound. Steel buildings don't just disintegrate when they are damaged. If you look at "Demolition Fail Compilation, Best Demolition Failures" on U tube,you may find it interesting. One building in particular was cut off at the bottom, fell on it's side and still retained its shape. Now compare that to "New Frontier Hotel Implosion Las Vegas" I just don't see how a fire could possibly bring down a steel building in the same way a controlled demolition does. He already has the information and it has been posted here before. He just brings this crap up because he can't understand the science. Just look and the "steel melts at 3000F" garbage. Steel supporting loads doesn't get the chance to turn liquid before being unable to support significant weight. About 800 to 1,000F would bring down most buildings. The fire was about 1,800F. We can argue to **** and tats all day but what matters most is how they used the 911 event to build a global police state. What we have now is nothing that resembles freedom yet we drag a hundred yard flag onto a football field and sing that song as if we still do live in a democracy. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Sat 02/08/14 09:23 PM
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That's absurd as we all know steel will soften and bend prior to failure we saw no such sagging or bending everything failed simultaneously. Again, that is not completely accurate. One can clearly see the inward bow of the outer shell of WTC1 & 2 when one examines the pictures. At the impact point, the floors sagged and pulled the outer supports inwards until failure point of the truss joints had reached. I've already explained the collapse mechanism of WTC 7 and it's not difficult to understand if one examines the evidence. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Sat 02/08/14 09:19 PM
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I assume you are referring to the "Biljmer Disaster" El Al Flight 1862 ? I had not looked at that before. From what I see, that crash proves my point. The section of the building hit by the plane was badly damaged, the rest looks structurally sound. Steel buildings don't just disintegrate when they are damaged. No, I am not referring to that incident and nor did the WTC's 'just disintegrate'. In addition, the building struck by EA1862 was in no way of similar construction, so this is a red herring. AE911T garbage doesn't wash with me as I know the subject and can spot all their silly rhetoric. If you look at "Demolition Fail Compilation, Best Demolition Failures" on U tube,you may find it interesting. One building in particular was cut off at the bottom, fell on it's side and still retained its shape. Now compare that to "New Frontier Hotel Implosion Las Vegas" I just don't see how a fire could possibly bring down a steel building in the same way a controlled demolition does. Sorry, most truther videos on Boobtoob are partisan garbage (actually, most stuff on boobtoob is for idiots). Your personal incredulity is built upon a lack of understanding of the physics which explain the forces at play. Just read the link I posted for you. Otherwise, you are just wasting my time with truther nonsense. |
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That's absurd as we all know steel will soften and bend prior to failure we saw no such sagging or bending everything failed simultaneously. Again, that is not completely accurate. One can clearly see the inward bow of the outer shell of WTC1 & 2 when one examines the pictures. At the impact point, the floors sagged and pulled the outer supports inwards until failure point of the truss joints had reached. I've already explained the collapse mechanism of WTC 7 and it's not difficult to understand if one examines the evidence. but they won't, because they are to fixated on their own little world where the evil American empire, led by the brilliance of GW Bush and Cheney created, plotted and implicated the 9-11 fiasco, and kept it covered up for 12 years now... only the conspiracy theorists know the truth, without any supporting evidence... |
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actually it was Jaws who did it!
More later as it develops! |
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aw,heck,here it is!
Jaws did WTC From Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia “Really?” ~ Osama bin Laden on learning that Jaws did WTC “Really?” ~ Jews on learning that Jaws did WTC “We're gonna need a bigger tower.” ~ Roy Scheider on learning that Jaws did WTC Oh sure, you believe every word of what the media tells you. You happily take what you're being spooned at face value. And why not? Why ever think for yourself? Everyone knows that a bunch of Muslims hijacked some planes and flew them into the World Trade Center[1]. Everyone knows there's proof because of what the government says. Just like everyone knows there was proof of Vietnam, RIGHT?! Jeez, you people are so brainwashed... Well, I'm gonna tell you the truth, okay. The absolute, indisputable FACT of the matter. And that truth is that the real attacker is much closer, and much, much realer than any gang of innocent Muslims. Yes my friends, the REAL threat came from America's borders. America's oceanic boarders (specifically those off the coast of Amity Island, technically). A homegrown menace that has been hated for years, and ruined so many lives. Now, as the government lies to us about those tragic events of 7/11, I have only one question for you: can your heart stand the shocking truth? The truth that Jaws did WTC!?[2] How Could Jaws, A Fictional Character from A Steven Spielberg Film, Possibly Have Anything to Do with WTC? Um HELLO?! Did you know that Jaws is involved in over half of all whole grain-related transactions between the United States of America and Great Britain? Were you aware that the tackle company which set out to hunt down Jaws "mysteriously" went out of business after filing bankruptcy? Jaws-related profits have decreased threefold since the World Trade Center became active, moron. And are you aware that since the first bomb attack (by the FBI in 1991), whole grain transactions increased tenfold (making it a sevenfold net gain)? Yeah, I thought so. Jaws did WTC! Um...What? Can you think of any creature more resourceful, more indestructible, or more incredibly handsome than Jaws? No, of course you can't. Jaws is the most powerful thing to hit oceans since deep-sea nuke testing! How could you be so blind as to think that he wouldn't do WTC?! Jaws was being funded by a slush fund forged with Universal dude!! The theme park ride in Universal Studios was established as a legitimate front for money laundering!! All of this information is available on the internet, where many many facts are posted every single day; maybe you've heard of it? JAWS DID WTC! You Honestly Believe that a Large Mechanical Shark Flew Planes into the World Trade Center. This is What You're Telling Me? If you weren't such a sheep never digging beneath the surface, you'd believe it too! People like you make me sick man, just doing your little jobs in your little cubicles, listening to your little 93.4 The Lite FM, drinking little frappacinos in your little SUVs! So sheltered, its pathetic. Do you even know about the massacres in Sri Lanka? How like, the Sikhs are killing hundreds of Israelis over there?! Jaws was also behind the bombing of the SS Cole and the sinking of the Lusitania! THERE IS SO MUCH PROOF! All you have to do is read it man, it's all out there. Jaws was also the secret weapon of the Russians before forging his own plans for international terror; why do you think we lost the Bay of Pigs?! The biggest part of the whole thing is the fact that Jaws is of course related to the Bush family. Oh Here We Go... He went to Yale with George Bush Sr.! They were part of that Skull and Bones society together; they took a blood oath!! I have the transcript, and I'm going to read you the whole thing right now!! Cquote1 As a member of this solemn, dignified, and above all else, completely secret society of fraternal brothers, I do so swear upon the bones and skulls which adorn this room to faithfully, willingly and completely do WTC. I shall do WTC no matter what obstacles may stand before me. I shall do WTC no matter how perilous my enemies may be, no matter how long and hard the winding road may seem. I shall fulfill my obligations to our brotherhood by devoting my life to peace, civility and justice. And doing WTC. Cquote2 YOU SEE! The two were in bed from the beginning. Look up the Bush families stock records and you know what you'll find?? COFFEE! And what does coffee's net price directly affect? WHOLE GRAIN SALES! God, I can't believe how incredibly stupid the people in this country are! JAWS DID WTC!! Alright One More Time. A Shark. A Mechanical, Fictional Shark is Not Only Responsible for the WTC Attacks, But is Also in Bed with the Bush Family? Exactly. As plain as the nose on your lazy, sheepish American face. If You'll Excuse Me, I Think I'm Going to Bang My Head Against Some Concrete... YOU WILL RUE THE DAY YOU DENIED THE TRUTH!! FINE! You continue to deny the truth! The epic, sickening truth about that bastard shark who killed millions of your countrymen! You bury your head in the sand while cold hard FACT is paraded before your very eyes!! And on that day of reckoning, when the god that I don't believe in rains judgment down upon this dumb *** planet, I shall stand fearless! FEARLESS! For I had the courage to stand up! To not be silenced by lies! To bestow the words of righteousness upon any and all who would listen. From Wal-mart to the common passer-by, I made the truth known!! JAWS! DID! W! T! C!!!!!!!! http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jaws_did_WTC |
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If you can't debate the topic without personal attacks toward members...move on.
Warnings will be sent after this post for those that continue. Kim |
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In order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy. You only have to know two things. One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs. It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/09/11/the-11th-anniversary-911-paul-craig-roberts/ Wow, congratulations. What a well presented argument. |
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I am more interested in the pentagon site myself. I am sure we could trade photo bucket dumps all day long or argue about how steel bends before it breaks or any number of petty details. I have never been more certain of any debated topic that 911 was an inside job and was used to usher in the patriot act and destroy our democracy if we ever had one. A minor detail that I haven't seen mentioned here, why were all those government papers stored in Building 7. Pretty expensive real estate for a paper storage facility. Do you think that perhaps there was something know by somebody that would solve many problems? |
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I am more interested in the pentagon site myself. I am sure we could trade photo bucket dumps all day long or argue about how steel bends before it breaks or any number of petty details. I have never been more certain of any debated topic that 911 was an inside job and was used to usher in the patriot act and destroy our democracy if we ever had one. what about the pentagon site? There are several pictures of the plane debris and there are thousands of eyewitnesses that saw the plane flying over the beltway.. OH those bankrupting wars killing hundreds of thousands of people unfunded and unsupported by the vast majority of americans. Well news flash. the criminals have turned a fine dollar on all this and we americans have paid the price. What type of world could we have built without all this waste and suffering? Another fine point, but what about the supposed confiscated tapes from private sources near the pentagon? |
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I am more interested in the pentagon site myself. I am sure we could trade photo bucket dumps all day long or argue about how steel bends before it breaks or any number of petty details. I have never been more certain of any debated topic that 911 was an inside job and was used to usher in the patriot act and destroy our democracy if we ever had one. what about the pentagon site? There are several pictures of the plane debris and there are thousands of eyewitnesses that saw the plane flying over the beltway.. OH those bankrupting wars killing hundreds of thousands of people unfunded and unsupported by the vast majority of americans. Well news flash. the criminals have turned a fine dollar on all this and we americans have paid the price. What type of world could we have built without all this waste and suffering? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories Here,read something factual,instead of those same old Troofersites,that regurgitate the same old tired Garbage! Really do need to check your sources better. Wiki while good for some background research to establish a base is seldom reliable as a quotable source and this is no exception. I mean right up front they state they are an anti-conspiracy article designed to rebut all conspiracy theories. |
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I am more interested in the pentagon site myself. I am sure we could trade photo bucket dumps all day long or argue about how steel bends before it breaks or any number of petty details. I have never been more certain of any debated topic that 911 was an inside job and was used to usher in the patriot act and destroy our democracy if we ever had one. what about the pentagon site? There are several pictures of the plane debris and there are thousands of eyewitnesses that saw the plane flying over the beltway.. OH those bankrupting wars killing hundreds of thousands of people unfunded and unsupported by the vast majority of americans. Well news flash. the criminals have turned a fine dollar on all this and we americans have paid the price. What type of world could we have built without all this waste and suffering? Another fine point, but what about the supposed confiscated tapes from private sources near the pentagon? what about them? |
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I am more interested in the pentagon site myself. I am sure we could trade photo bucket dumps all day long or argue about how steel bends before it breaks or any number of petty details. I have never been more certain of any debated topic that 911 was an inside job and was used to usher in the patriot act and destroy our democracy if we ever had one. what about the pentagon site? There are several pictures of the plane debris and there are thousands of eyewitnesses that saw the plane flying over the beltway.. OH those bankrupting wars killing hundreds of thousands of people unfunded and unsupported by the vast majority of americans. Well news flash. the criminals have turned a fine dollar on all this and we americans have paid the price. What type of world could we have built without all this waste and suffering? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories Here,read something factual,instead of those same old Troofersites,that regurgitate the same old tired Garbage! Really do need to check your sources better. Wiki while good for some background research to establish a base is seldom reliable as a quotable source and this is no exception. I mean right up front they state they are an anti-conspiracy article designed to rebut all conspiracy theories. I know exactly what RationalWiki is! And they are right about most,if not all Conspiracy-Theories! But we could always change to the James Randi-Site,but hardly worthwhile just to debunk a few ludicrous Conspiracy-Theories! We have been trough a dozen Thread with OP,and shot him down everytime,yet he constantly comes back for more,and all he brings is those same debunked "Theories"! |
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