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Topic: I think Joe Louis was the best.
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Wed 01/22/14 06:33 PM


I don't pay much attention to the lightweights, Sweetestgirl. I just looked him up on youtube and saw that he was a southpaw and right away I lost interest. I'll tell you a lightweight that did catch my attention a while back and that was Marco Barrerra. He's the only lightweight that I enjoy watching. You can tell by his eyes that he wants to really hurt someone. Hahahah! Yeah I liked him instantly.
Look up a Scottish boxer called Ken Buchanan, Red? He ended up going back to being a Joiner ( Carpenter, to Americans ) after he hung up his gloves and worked with us on the same building site, in Glasgow, a few years back. Couldn't believe an ex World champ, was working alongside me! My brother knows Ricky Burns, the current WBO Lightweight champ, very well, as he only stays a mile from my house. See him all the time, around town. Barrera, was a good Boxer, but I miss watching Oscar de la Hoya and Joe Calzaghe. The Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank, fights from the 90's were classics you should look up on Youtube, if you haven't saw them already?


delahoya was a good so was camacho. I don't think sugar ray will remember him fondly tho...lol gotta watch out those southpaws will help you to the floor. Ima southpaw and I'd like to know why is that a problemo??? (punch punch kick kick):wink: laugh camacho was very famous in the US back in the day.

I didn;t know that the scots had so many good fighters but then it was the Irish that brought bare knuckle to the US :)

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Wed 01/22/14 07:02 PM



I don't pay much attention to the lightweights, Sweetestgirl. I just looked him up on youtube and saw that he was a southpaw and right away I lost interest. I'll tell you a lightweight that did catch my attention a while back and that was Marco Barrerra. He's the only lightweight that I enjoy watching. You can tell by his eyes that he wants to really hurt someone. Hahahah! Yeah I liked him instantly.
Look up a Scottish boxer called Ken Buchanan, Red? He ended up going back to being a Joiner ( Carpenter, to Americans ) after he hung up his gloves and worked with us on the same building site, in Glasgow, a few years back. Couldn't believe an ex World champ, was working alongside me! My brother knows Ricky Burns, the current WBO Lightweight champ, very well, as he only stays a mile from my house. See him all the time, around town. Barrera, was a good Boxer, but I miss watching Oscar de la Hoya and Joe Calzaghe. The Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank, fights from the 90's were classics you should look up on Youtube, if you haven't saw them already?


delahoya was a good so was camacho. I don't think sugar ray will remember him fondly tho...lol gotta watch out those southpaws will help you to the floor. Ima southpaw and I'd like to know why is that a problemo??? (punch punch kick kick):wink: laugh camacho was very famous in the US back in the day.

I didn;t know that the scots had so many good fighters but then it was the Irish that brought bare knuckle to the US :)
Yeah, a southpaw can catch you cold, I know that Sweetest. My Grandad, taught me how to counter a southpaw, was to change style and play him at his own game? He taught me this when I was 11 and Boxing at schoolboy level. Won me a fair few fights also! My Grandad used to be a Boxer, way back in the 1920's and 30's, then he was a cut man, in the corner, for a few Scottish Boxers, including Benny Lynch, who was a World Flyweight champion in the 30's. My Grandad just loved being around the gym in any capacity, as Boxing was a true passion of his! He would tell me about all the old time fighters also. His favourites were Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali.

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Wed 01/22/14 07:20 PM




I don't pay much attention to the lightweights, Sweetestgirl. I just looked him up on youtube and saw that he was a southpaw and right away I lost interest. I'll tell you a lightweight that did catch my attention a while back and that was Marco Barrerra. He's the only lightweight that I enjoy watching. You can tell by his eyes that he wants to really hurt someone. Hahahah! Yeah I liked him instantly.
Look up a Scottish boxer called Ken Buchanan, Red? He ended up going back to being a Joiner ( Carpenter, to Americans ) after he hung up his gloves and worked with us on the same building site, in Glasgow, a few years back. Couldn't believe an ex World champ, was working alongside me! My brother knows Ricky Burns, the current WBO Lightweight champ, very well, as he only stays a mile from my house. See him all the time, around town. Barrera, was a good Boxer, but I miss watching Oscar de la Hoya and Joe Calzaghe. The Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank, fights from the 90's were classics you should look up on Youtube, if you haven't saw them already?


delahoya was a good so was camacho. I don't think sugar ray will remember him fondly tho...lol gotta watch out those southpaws will help you to the floor. Ima southpaw and I'd like to know why is that a problemo??? (punch punch kick kick):wink: laugh camacho was very famous in the US back in the day.

I didn;t know that the scots had so many good fighters but then it was the Irish that brought bare knuckle to the US :)
Yeah, a southpaw can catch you cold, I know that Sweetest. My Grandad, taught me how to counter a southpaw, was to change style and play him at his own game? He taught me this when I was 11 and Boxing at schoolboy level. Won me a fair few fights also! My Grandad used to be a Boxer, way back in the 1920's and 30's, then he was a cut man, in the corner, for a few Scottish Boxers, including Benny Lynch, who was a World Flyweight champion in the 30's. My Grandad just loved being around the gym in any capacity, as Boxing was a true passion of his! He would tell me about all the old time fighters also. His favourites were Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali.


Ah, so he liked the Americans then! Good man :) IDK if being left handed is an advantage in the absence of pure talent, probably not. Take your grandad's advice. As a lefty, I 'd say surprise with the ability to go to the left & use the left has been an advantage in any sport I've played, but in the absence of athletic talent it wouldn't mean much. Righties will watch how a southpaw moves after they have us figured out but they still get caught by surprise now & then anticipating the right. Batters will crowd the plate...but that's American baseball

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Wed 01/22/14 08:36 PM
Edited by willing2 on Wed 01/22/14 08:43 PM
I knew him as Cassius Clay.

I never called him by that adopted Muslim name.

He was a fine athlete.

His big mistake was showing off that he could take shots to the head.

His favorite bud was Howard Cosel(sp)

I don't think Clay would have had ad much publicity time without Cosel.

George looks still fit. I know, I'll wouldn't take him on.

Seems like not long after Clay retired boxers came and went like a flash in the pan.

None today look like the have the heart or endurance to make the long haul.

I know we're talking pros here but, my dad fought Golden Gloves in the Air Force. He was Welterweight class.
He held national title for three years.
He managed a boxing club in Washington State for years.

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Thu 01/23/14 12:16 PM
I've never seen a southpaw throw a decent left cross. And they tend to look awkward. Mind you Michael Moorer was pretty slick. But none of them have that big left cross. It's all right jabs and right hooks with them. Their left is mainly just a decoy.

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Thu 01/30/14 12:37 AM
Like some of you are saying, you almost need to look at the era and how the sport has advanced and changed, but also some would say has softened as compared to 15 rounds days. Also the days of many fights in a career vs fewer and of course how one generation builds on the last form and style wise.

as far as fighters go

Think we also need to look at Roy Jones Junior (in prime) and Floyd Mayweather Jr. As Tyson did for a shorter time, these two cleaned their competitive plates. Remember how Roy had to hunt for fighters to even come close. Floyd's doing the same thing. Both of these guys with unhuman like speed. And I do know Tyson and Ali burnt out but for big guys to throw their kind of speed is pretty impressive.

All in all though, I think there's also a lot to be said for one fighter making their competitive counterpart great. Those fights where the normal raised themselves to the extraordinary. Times when the fight became bigger than the fighters themselves and it seemed like it was beyond human possibility. This is what would cloud my vision for who was the best of the best.

It only takes the fight of your life to make you the very best for that moment. And in that moment can anyone beat you?

What a sport. I would have to say it's my favorite by a huge margin.

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