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Topic: man made god.
NickMcGuire's photo
Wed 01/22/14 05:37 AM
Vanaheim, I could beg to differ, opposing what you have written.

To everyone, one can agree on a real understanding: people have used religions for wrong at times. But, please note that religion can have a link to gaining wisdom which might typically be forgotten by some. With reciting verses about Love, forgiveness and compassion for those in need, people can gain an insight regarding what is important in life and what one's calling might be. We can gain an understanding which is typically "forgotten" in the modern world.

As imperfect beings, we are capable of forgetting about love and mercy, for our desires often times might oppose or contradict.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 01/22/14 06:26 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 01/22/14 07:01 AM

so,we are despicable little Weasels who are so depraved and imperfect that we have to apologize to some "Superior-Being" every second of our miserable Life for even being alive and taking up Oxygen?
Is that it?
That Man isn't worthy of living?That he must crawl on his Belly in the dirt instead of being upright on his two feet as Man ought to be!
Religion and it's Mysticism have stolen Man's Dignity,stolen his Soul!sick mad

mightymoe's photo
Wed 01/22/14 10:11 AM
in a sense, man did create god/gods, but in our own minds out of fear and ignorance....

vanaheim's photo
Thu 01/23/14 02:39 AM
Edited by vanaheim on Thu 01/23/14 02:45 AM

Vanaheim, I could beg to differ, opposing what you have written.

To everyone, one can agree on a real understanding: people have used religions for wrong at times. But, please note that religion can have a link to gaining wisdom which might typically be forgotten by some. With reciting verses about Love, forgiveness and compassion for those in need, people can gain an insight regarding what is important in life and what one's calling might be. We can gain an understanding which is typically "forgotten" in the modern world.

As imperfect beings, we are capable of forgetting about love and mercy, for our desires often times might oppose or contradict.


When you say 'beg to differ' I presume you mean that you refer to the published bibles as primary source documentation.
They are not. The publishers will tell you this.
The scriptural artefacts, the pieces of script dating to 500BCE and 100CE and things like that, those are the primary source documents.
And a direct translation of those is just not what is written in published bibles of any denomination. You have to pretty much do a full scale personal theological research project to get it, but it's there to get and quite an unfalsifiable part of the archaeological record.

It's what theological qualifications are about basically.

An honourable personal code, whatever you want to call it, beit religious or any other rationale, I fully agree with, support and am impressed by as a person.

no photo
Thu 01/23/14 04:16 AM

I wouldn't say religion is a waste of time. I think religion can be a good thing. Basically I think religion when used the right way can give you guidelines to live a better life. Religion is supposed to teach you love and health. But people twist it to be war filled and hateful. While I am not a religious person. I have little hate for any religion. It's more about the people who abuse those religions than the religions.

no photo
Thu 01/23/14 04:21 AM


I wouldn't say religion is a waste of time. I think religion can be a good thing. Basically I think religion when used the right way can give you guidelines to live a better life. Religion is supposed to teach you love and health. But people twist it to be war filled and hateful. While I am not a religious person. I have little hate for any religion. It's more about the people who abuse those religions than the religions.



You got it! A good way to live, twisted by people trying to control the masses. The end product doesn't look anything like the original.

Sequa's photo
Thu 01/23/14 05:30 AM

Published bibles and in particular old testament versions are grossly mistranslated to the point of propagandized political agenda.

Goliath was a foreign nobleman, not a giant.
The serpent in the garden of eden was childish wont of mankind, not an independent being.
Ashe (pronounced 'eve') is a feminine aspect not a person.
Adm (pronounced 'adam') means literally "humankind" and was not a person.
The hebrew term for the "soul" actually means to breathe. The "immortal divine soul" was in fact invented by Plato, the New Testament authors were each unquestionably Greek educated (expensive private schooling for Romans). Platoism was extremely popular at this time, the "scientific truths" held by Catholicism (eg, the divine unchanging heavens, the superior place of man among other species, etc.), these were simply everyday beliefs of the time and included into proto-Christianity due to proximity.
The word devil never existed before the 12th century.
The Greek word for demon actually means angel.
I could go on forever.

Most parables are designed specifically to deal with hebrew systems of law and socially based government. The people themselves didn't believe in omnipotent superbeings, that's just not what is written in hebrew scriptures. It's mistranslated and intentionally misleading to represent very rudimentary medicinal guides and community welfare systems as a Lord of the Rings adventure.
It's just not what it says in the primary source documents.


what are the primary source documents for the old testament?
How would we know they are primary?

mightymoe's photo
Fri 01/24/14 09:24 AM

Vanaheim, I could beg to differ, opposing what you have written.

To everyone, one can agree on a real understanding: people have used religions for wrong at times. But, please note that religion can have a link to gaining wisdom which might typically be forgotten by some. With reciting verses about Love, forgiveness and compassion for those in need, people can gain an insight regarding what is important in life and what one's calling might be. We can gain an understanding which is typically "forgotten" in the modern world.

As imperfect beings, we are capable of forgetting about love and mercy, for our desires often times might oppose or contradict.


people should be opening science books in place of the bible sometimes... the bible is a great fantasy fable, but science is very real...

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 01/24/14 09:34 AM


Published bibles and in particular old testament versions are grossly mistranslated to the point of propagandized political agenda.

Goliath was a foreign nobleman, not a giant.
The serpent in the garden of eden was childish wont of mankind, not an independent being.
Ashe (pronounced 'eve') is a feminine aspect not a person.
Adm (pronounced 'adam') means literally "humankind" and was not a person.
The hebrew term for the "soul" actually means to breathe. The "immortal divine soul" was in fact invented by Plato, the New Testament authors were each unquestionably Greek educated (expensive private schooling for Romans). Platoism was extremely popular at this time, the "scientific truths" held by Catholicism (eg, the divine unchanging heavens, the superior place of man among other species, etc.), these were simply everyday beliefs of the time and included into proto-Christianity due to proximity.
The word devil never existed before the 12th century.
The Greek word for demon actually means angel.
I could go on forever.

Most parables are designed specifically to deal with hebrew systems of law and socially based government. The people themselves didn't believe in omnipotent superbeings, that's just not what is written in hebrew scriptures. It's mistranslated and intentionally misleading to represent very rudimentary medicinal guides and community welfare systems as a Lord of the Rings adventure.
It's just not what it says in the primary source documents.


what are the primary source documents for the old testament?
How would we know they are primary?



quite possibly Claytablets with Cuneiform Writing on them!

Sequa's photo
Fri 01/24/14 12:28 PM



Published bibles and in particular old testament versions are grossly mistranslated to the point of propagandized political agenda.

Goliath was a foreign nobleman, not a giant.
The serpent in the garden of eden was childish wont of mankind, not an independent being.
Ashe (pronounced 'eve') is a feminine aspect not a person.
Adm (pronounced 'adam') means literally "humankind" and was not a person.
The hebrew term for the "soul" actually means to breathe. The "immortal divine soul" was in fact invented by Plato, the New Testament authors were each unquestionably Greek educated (expensive private schooling for Romans). Platoism was extremely popular at this time, the "scientific truths" held by Catholicism (eg, the divine unchanging heavens, the superior place of man among other species, etc.), these were simply everyday beliefs of the time and included into proto-Christianity due to proximity.
The word devil never existed before the 12th century.
The Greek word for demon actually means angel.
I could go on forever.

Most parables are designed specifically to deal with hebrew systems of law and socially based government. The people themselves didn't believe in omnipotent superbeings, that's just not what is written in hebrew scriptures. It's mistranslated and intentionally misleading to represent very rudimentary medicinal guides and community welfare systems as a Lord of the Rings adventure.
It's just not what it says in the primary source documents.


what are the primary source documents for the old testament?
How would we know they are primary?



quite possibly Claytablets with Cuneiform Writing on them!

so primary would be far older than hebrew culture?

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