Topic: Global Warming Fools Should be Charged With Fraud
InvictusV's photo
Sun 09/15/13 07:07 AM
Global warming alarmists like Al Gore have lined their pockets with taxpayers cash and created an environment that has cost people jobs by pushing this man made global warming BS.

I believe that this constitutes fraud.

I also believe that all the money made by these alarmist individuals through their BS companies and their carbon credit scams should be confiscated and they should be charged with crimes against humanity.

Burning up the food supply to create ethanol has devastated third world countries by increasing the cost of corn dramatically.

Forcing an already devastated population such as Haiti to pay more for corn so Al Gore can line his pockets with cash is an abomination.


From:The Cost to Developing Countries of U.S. Corn Ethanol Expansion


Debate continues over the extent of the biofuel impact on food prices. A recent survey by the National Academy of Sciences estimated that globally biofuels expansion accounted for 20-
40% of the price increases seen in 2007-8, when prices began to
rise sharply. There is broad consensus that U.S. ethanol expansion, with its direct consumption of food and feed stocks such as corn and its competition with food and feed crops for land, has been an important contributor to global food price increases. As
we explained in our previous working paper, “The Costs to Mexico of U.S. Ethanol Expansion,” higher corn prices have had a direct impact on the food import bills of developing countries, many of which have become heavily dependent on outside sources of basic food commodities in the last 25 years (Wise 2012).

http://www.ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/wp/12-02WiseGlobalBiofuels.pdf

These people need to be punished and punished severely.


Al Gore said that on Sept. 21, 2007, "scientists reported with unprecedented alarm that the North Polar icecap is, in their words, 'falling off a cliff.' One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week warns that it could happen in as little as seven years, seven years from now."

The former vice president also warned that rising temperatures were “a planetary emergency and a threat to the survival of our civilization.”





http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/wrong-al-gore-predicted-arctic-summer-ice-could-disappear-2013

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324549004579067532485712464.html






InvictusV's photo
Sun 09/15/13 07:20 AM
Dialing Back the Alarm on Climate Change
A forthcoming report points lowers estimates on global warming



Later this month, a long-awaited event that last happened in 2007 will recur. Like a returning comet, it will be taken to portend ominous happenings. I refer to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) "fifth assessment report," part of which will be published on Sept. 27.

There have already been leaks from this 31-page document, which summarizes 1,914 pages of scientific discussion, but thanks to a senior climate scientist, I have had a glimpse of the key prediction at the heart of the document. The big news is that, for the first time since these reports started coming out in 1990, the new one dials back the alarm. It states that the temperature rise we can expect as a result of man-made emissions of carbon dioxide is lower than the IPPC thought in 2007.

Admittedly, the change is small, and because of changing definitions, it is not easy to compare the two reports, but retreat it is. It is significant because it points to the very real possibility that, over the next several generations, the overall effect of climate change will be positive for humankind and the planet.

Yet these latest IPCC estimates of climate sensitivity may still be too high. They don't adequately reflect the latest rash of published papers estimating "equilibrium climate sensitivity" and "transient climate response" on the basis of observations, most of which are pointing to an even milder warming. This was already apparent last year with two papers—by scientists at the University of Illinois and Oslo University in Norway—finding a lower ECS than assumed by the models. Since then, three new papers conclude that ECS is well below the range assumed in the models. The most significant of these, published in Nature Geoscience by a team including 14 lead authors of the forthcoming IPCC scientific report, concluded that "the most likely value of equilibrium climate sensitivity based on the energy budget of the most recent decade is 2.0 degrees Celsius."

Two recent papers (one in the Journal of the American Meteorological Society, the other in the journal Earth System Dynamics) estimate that TCR is probably around 1.65 degrees Celsius. That's uncannily close to the estimate of 1.67 degrees reached in 1938 by Guy Callendar, a British engineer and pioneer student of the greenhouse effect. A Canadian mathematician and blogger named Steve McIntyre has pointed out that Callendar's model does a better job of forecasting the temperature of the world between 1938 and now than do modern models that "hindcast" the same data.

Explaining this failure is now a cottage industry in climate science. At first, it was hoped that an underestimate of sulfate pollution from industry (which can cool the air by reflecting heat back into space) might explain the pause, but the science has gone the other way—reducing its estimate of sulfate cooling. Now a favorite explanation is that the heat is hiding in the deep ocean. Yet the data to support this thesis come from ocean buoys and deal in hundredths of a degree of temperature change, with a measurement error far larger than that. Moreover, ocean heat uptake has been slowing over the past eight years.

The most plausible explanation of the pause is simply that climate sensitivity was overestimated in the models because of faulty assumptions about net amplification through water-vapor feedback. This will be a topic of heated debate at the political session to rewrite the report in Stockholm, starting on Sept. 23, at which issues other than the actual science of climate change will be at stake.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324549004579067532485712464.html

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 09/15/13 07:47 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 09/15/13 07:55 AM

Global warming alarmists like Al Gore have lined their pockets with taxpayers cash and created an environment that has cost people jobs by pushing this man made global warming BS.

I believe that this constitutes fraud.

I also believe that all the money made by these alarmist individuals through their BS companies and their carbon credit scams should be confiscated and they should be charged with crimes against humanity.

Burning up the food supply to create ethanol has devastated third world countries by increasing the cost of corn dramatically.

Forcing an already devastated population such as Haiti to pay more for corn so Al Gore can line his pockets with cash is an abomination.


From:The Cost to Developing Countries of U.S. Corn Ethanol Expansion


Debate continues over the extent of the biofuel impact on food prices. A recent survey by the National Academy of Sciences estimated that globally biofuels expansion accounted for 20-
40% of the price increases seen in 2007-8, when prices began to
rise sharply. There is broad consensus that U.S. ethanol expansion, with its direct consumption of food and feed stocks such as corn and its competition with food and feed crops for land, has been an important contributor to global food price increases. As
we explained in our previous working paper, “The Costs to Mexico of U.S. Ethanol Expansion,” higher corn prices have had a direct impact on the food import bills of developing countries, many of which have become heavily dependent on outside sources of basic food commodities in the last 25 years (Wise 2012).

http://www.ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/wp/12-02WiseGlobalBiofuels.pdf

These people need to be punished and punished severely.


Al Gore said that on Sept. 21, 2007, "scientists reported with unprecedented alarm that the North Polar icecap is, in their words, 'falling off a cliff.' One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week warns that it could happen in as little as seven years, seven years from now."

The former vice president also warned that rising temperatures were “a planetary emergency and a threat to the survival of our civilization.”





http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/wrong-al-gore-predicted-arctic-summer-ice-could-disappear-2013

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324549004579067532485712464.html






the Stinker and his Cronies made Billions,while the Arctic Icecover grew by Leaps and Bounds!

Global warming alarmists, Al Gore, we need to talk.

Well, this is awkward. A leaked report by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says that the world is not warming but is actually cooling, and will continue to get colder until the middle of the century.

You remember the IPCC, right? It’s the group whose 2007 report on global warming said that snow would disappear from everywhere but the highest mountains, icebergs would melt causing sea levels to rise, deserts would spread, people would die in heat waves and pretty much the earth was going to end if we didn’t immediately destroy our carbon-fueled economy with job-killing government regulations.

Well, that’s not happening. In fact, the Arctic ice caps have grown by 60 percent since 2012.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/09/arctic_ice_cap_grows_by_60_in_one_year.html



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html

A chilly Arctic summer has left nearly a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 60 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.

JennaDee's photo
Sun 09/15/13 08:03 AM
I think that Global Warming is a Natural real threat. It has happened before, it will happen again. We are already seeing signs of another ice age which I am glad I wont be around for. On the other hand I dont believe we need to be speeding up the process and that we should all take care and do what we can to reduce our carbon monoxide emissions. We are evolved enough, and have enough technology, that this planet should be thriving.

JennaDee's photo
Sun 09/15/13 08:04 AM
But the burning of food... that pisses me off. I will look into this, I never knew of such accusations!

wilygenero122's photo
Sun 09/15/13 08:40 AM
irrespective of the race we represent or were we come from, global warming affects us all. i think we should all come together and tackle this phenomenon

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 09/15/13 08:41 AM

irrespective of the race we represent or were we come from, global warming affects us all. i think we should all come together and tackle this phenomenon
good luck in tackling the Sun!laugh

metalwing's photo
Sun 09/15/13 09:14 AM
Global warming is real. The hype put to the problem by idiots like Al Gore has done more to hurt any real solution than help.

The world is about to lose all of it's glaciers which are the buffers for the most of the world's fresh water. No irrigation means no food.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/12/1112-melting-glaciers-mean-double-trouble-for-water-supplies/

About one third of the world's coral reefs are already dead. The increase in carbon dioxide is also increasing the PH of the water which is killing sea life faster than it can adapt by natural selection.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/climate-change/jan-june13/pledge_06-04.html

The oceans are also dying from the combined effects of overfishing and global warming. Large fish levels have dropped 90% since 1950 and are still dropping fast.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0515_030515_fishdecline.html

Rising sea levels are in the process of causing enormous damage that could cost trillions.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/11/23/climate.report.wwf.allianz/

The oil companies have done a tremendous job by spreading disinformation about global warming. I know and understand the science. I have visited the glaciers and coral reefs. I have seen the people who study the problem but do not necessarily work on solutions.

The sources above can duplicated with many other credible sources.

Anti global warming critics almost always use singular events to try to prove global consequences. It doesn't work that way. Ice sheets vary year by year but the TREND is what counts. Hotter temps cause unstable air and greater arctic air flows with create LOWER temperatures in some areas for some periods. But again, it is the overall TRENDS that matter. The normal cycles of the Pacific Ocean are causing some delay in global warming at the moment.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/03/global-warming-pacific-ocean-puzzle-piece

"These results are broadly consistent with several other important recent papers investigating the role of the oceans in global warming. For example, the model used in this study finds that the overall heating of the planet has not slowed when the warming of the oceans are taken into account, as studies led by John Abraham, myself, and several others have also concluded."

The big problem with global warming is that climatic conditions change but human populations do not relocate. The breadbasket of the US is moving north leaving drought behind. The best farmland in the US is being covered with subdivisions. (I live on some of it.)

When the fish are gone, we will need more farmland to make up for it. The water won't be there for the crops. Etc, etc., etc.

InvictusV's photo
Sun 09/15/13 02:56 PM

Global warming is real. The hype put to the problem by idiots like Al Gore has done more to hurt any real solution than help.

The world is about to lose all of it's glaciers which are the buffers for the most of the world's fresh water. No irrigation means no food.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/12/1112-melting-glaciers-mean-double-trouble-for-water-supplies/

About one third of the world's coral reefs are already dead. The increase in carbon dioxide is also increasing the PH of the water which is killing sea life faster than it can adapt by natural selection.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/climate-change/jan-june13/pledge_06-04.html

The oceans are also dying from the combined effects of overfishing and global warming. Large fish levels have dropped 90% since 1950 and are still dropping fast.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0515_030515_fishdecline.html

Rising sea levels are in the process of causing enormous damage that could cost trillions.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/11/23/climate.report.wwf.allianz/

The oil companies have done a tremendous job by spreading disinformation about global warming. I know and understand the science. I have visited the glaciers and coral reefs. I have seen the people who study the problem but do not necessarily work on solutions.

The sources above can duplicated with many other credible sources.

Anti global warming critics almost always use singular events to try to prove global consequences. It doesn't work that way. Ice sheets vary year by year but the TREND is what counts. Hotter temps cause unstable air and greater arctic air flows with create LOWER temperatures in some areas for some periods. But again, it is the overall TRENDS that matter. The normal cycles of the Pacific Ocean are causing some delay in global warming at the moment.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/03/global-warming-pacific-ocean-puzzle-piece

"These results are broadly consistent with several other important recent papers investigating the role of the oceans in global warming. For example, the model used in this study finds that the overall heating of the planet has not slowed when the warming of the oceans are taken into account, as studies led by John Abraham, myself, and several others have also concluded."

The big problem with global warming is that climatic conditions change but human populations do not relocate. The breadbasket of the US is moving north leaving drought behind. The best farmland in the US is being covered with subdivisions. (I live on some of it.)

When the fish are gone, we will need more farmland to make up for it. The water won't be there for the crops. Etc, etc., etc.


There is no doubt that since the last major ice age the earth has warmed.

That is pretty obvious since as far south as Manhattan was covered by an ice sheet 22,000 years ago.

New York City marks the southernmost boundary of an ice sheet that mantled much of North America. The Laurentide ice sheet advanced and retreated over a period of 60,000 years. The last advance reached maximum 22,000 years ago, extending from southeastern Alberta across what are now the Great Lakes to the east coast. Two lobes surged down the Connecticut and Hudson river valleys, sculpting the land and depositing the moraines and outwash that would become Long Island. Sea water was locked up in ice, lowering the sea level by 350 feet compared to today; from Cape Cod southward, the coastal plain jutted out 50 to 100 miles further than the present-day shoreline, almost to the edge of the continental shelf. The Hudson River sluiced through a deep gorge that cut through the plain and emptied into the Atlantic.

Glaciers literally created Long Island, and carved out the landscape we know today as the New York City region. Moraines, lakes and ponds, kettle holes, peat bogs, meltwater streams and valleys – all are relics of glacial topography. Between the receding ice front and terminal moraines, glacial meltwater formed huge lakes. By 12,000 years ago, the rising sea breached the morainal dams at several points, including the Verrazano Narrows. Hudson Lake released its waters to flow into the present-day channel of the Hudson River – a channel that had been established 120 million years earlier, when the continents split apart and the Palisades were exposed. The channel carved by the glacial Hudson River was drowned and is now an underwater canyon known to fisherman for its rich abundance of deep-water fish like tuna.

http://www.newyorknature.net/IceAge.html

As stated above, when the ice began to melt sea levels rose dramatically.

No one knows the technology that will exist 20 years or 50 years from now.

The lack of water due to drought is certainly and issue, but since the sea water level is supposed to rise then the obvious solution is desalination.

Marin desalination plant edges closer to construction.

A desalination plant to deliver cleansed drinking water from San Rafael Bay to homes in Marin County moved a step closer to construction Wednesday when the state Supreme Court rejected a challenge by environmental advocates.

The San Rafael plant would provide at least 5 million gallons of water per day to residents of the Marin Municipal Water District.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Marin-desalination-plant-edges-closer-to-4807013.php

Not to mention with less ice and a more hospitable climate further north, that opens up untapped fertile land for farming.

The bottom line for me is that climate change is cyclical and it is determined by the activity of the sun not carbon dioxide coming from human sources.

There were ice ages before man, there were warming periods before industrialization. The ice sheet that helped form the features of New England began melting and receding without any human influence.

To attempt to separate the Al Gore alarmist wing from this debate is not going to happen. He and the criminal scientists that put their name on anthropogenic global warming to make money through books, lectures and movies will always be a part of this.











boredinaz06's photo
Sun 09/15/13 04:04 PM



Only idiots drink the kool aid of mega corporations who want people to believe its a lie. Those photos posted above have been floatin around the internet for years while in reality to polar ice melts earlier in the year and is freezing later which is why there is an urgency for polar bears, but yall know more than scientists because Forbes Beck said so.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 09/15/13 05:41 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sun 09/15/13 05:45 PM

Corporations produce by products to provide what people desire, the Sun nobody can control.

What gov't does is restrict the population so the corporations have a free hand to pollute and destroy with very little regard or penalty for their actions.

Corporate bottled water companies turn once pristine lakes and streams into mudholes for profit, destroy whole communities economies. No water for irrigation or business means no jobs after they have sucked the area dry then moved on.

FLOW: For Love of Water .....the documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni9KIymAxSs

Others pollute, contaminate, destroy for profit. Does anyone know there are 5 gigantic floating garbage patches (basiclly) made of plastic toxic waste adrift in the oceans?

The North Pacific one is twice the size of Texas!

http://www.ecolife.com/recycling/plastic/pacific-plastic-island-garbage-patch.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qT-rOXB6NI

InvictusV's photo
Sun 09/15/13 06:03 PM




Only idiots drink the kool aid of mega corporations who want people to believe its a lie. Those photos posted above have been floatin around the internet for years while in reality to polar ice melts earlier in the year and is freezing later which is why there is an urgency for polar bears, but yall know more than scientists because Forbes Beck said so.



yeah.. mega corporations.. they have a remote control that adjusts the solar activity.










mightymoe's photo
Sun 09/15/13 06:15 PM

irrespective of the race we represent or were we come from, global warming affects us all. i think we should all come together and tackle this phenomenon


when you have some actual proof that global warming is something that is real, then we can talk

mightymoe's photo
Sun 09/15/13 06:17 PM




Only idiots drink the kool aid of mega corporations who want people to believe its a lie. Those photos posted above have been floatin around the internet for years while in reality to polar ice melts earlier in the year and is freezing later which is why there is an urgency for polar bears, but yall know more than scientists because Forbes Beck said so.


lol...who's drinking what kool-aid?

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Mon 09/16/13 10:04 PM




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html

A chilly Arctic summer has left nearly a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 60 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.


Be careful of that one Conrad, the Daily Mail misrepresented the original NASA release and others have continued to put it about.

metalwing's photo
Tue 09/17/13 03:57 AM


Global warming is real. The hype put to the problem by idiots like Al Gore has done more to hurt any real solution than help.

The world is about to lose all of it's glaciers which are the buffers for the most of the world's fresh water. No irrigation means no food.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/12/1112-melting-glaciers-mean-double-trouble-for-water-supplies/

About one third of the world's coral reefs are already dead. The increase in carbon dioxide is also increasing the PH of the water which is killing sea life faster than it can adapt by natural selection.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/climate-change/jan-june13/pledge_06-04.html

The oceans are also dying from the combined effects of overfishing and global warming. Large fish levels have dropped 90% since 1950 and are still dropping fast.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0515_030515_fishdecline.html

Rising sea levels are in the process of causing enormous damage that could cost trillions.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/11/23/climate.report.wwf.allianz/

The oil companies have done a tremendous job by spreading disinformation about global warming. I know and understand the science. I have visited the glaciers and coral reefs. I have seen the people who study the problem but do not necessarily work on solutions.

The sources above can duplicated with many other credible sources.

Anti global warming critics almost always use singular events to try to prove global consequences. It doesn't work that way. Ice sheets vary year by year but the TREND is what counts. Hotter temps cause unstable air and greater arctic air flows with create LOWER temperatures in some areas for some periods. But again, it is the overall TRENDS that matter. The normal cycles of the Pacific Ocean are causing some delay in global warming at the moment.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/03/global-warming-pacific-ocean-puzzle-piece

"These results are broadly consistent with several other important recent papers investigating the role of the oceans in global warming. For example, the model used in this study finds that the overall heating of the planet has not slowed when the warming of the oceans are taken into account, as studies led by John Abraham, myself, and several others have also concluded."

The big problem with global warming is that climatic conditions change but human populations do not relocate. The breadbasket of the US is moving north leaving drought behind. The best farmland in the US is being covered with subdivisions. (I live on some of it.)

When the fish are gone, we will need more farmland to make up for it. The water won't be there for the crops. Etc, etc., etc.


There is no doubt that since the last major ice age the earth has warmed.

That is pretty obvious since as far south as Manhattan was covered by an ice sheet 22,000 years ago.

New York City marks the southernmost boundary of an ice sheet that mantled much of North America. The Laurentide ice sheet advanced and retreated over a period of 60,000 years. The last advance reached maximum 22,000 years ago, extending from southeastern Alberta across what are now the Great Lakes to the east coast. Two lobes surged down the Connecticut and Hudson river valleys, sculpting the land and depositing the moraines and outwash that would become Long Island. Sea water was locked up in ice, lowering the sea level by 350 feet compared to today; from Cape Cod southward, the coastal plain jutted out 50 to 100 miles further than the present-day shoreline, almost to the edge of the continental shelf. The Hudson River sluiced through a deep gorge that cut through the plain and emptied into the Atlantic.

Glaciers literally created Long Island, and carved out the landscape we know today as the New York City region. Moraines, lakes and ponds, kettle holes, peat bogs, meltwater streams and valleys – all are relics of glacial topography. Between the receding ice front and terminal moraines, glacial meltwater formed huge lakes. By 12,000 years ago, the rising sea breached the morainal dams at several points, including the Verrazano Narrows. Hudson Lake released its waters to flow into the present-day channel of the Hudson River – a channel that had been established 120 million years earlier, when the continents split apart and the Palisades were exposed. The channel carved by the glacial Hudson River was drowned and is now an underwater canyon known to fisherman for its rich abundance of deep-water fish like tuna.

http://www.newyorknature.net/IceAge.html

As stated above, when the ice began to melt sea levels rose dramatically.

No one knows the technology that will exist 20 years or 50 years from now.

The lack of water due to drought is certainly and issue, but since the sea water level is supposed to rise then the obvious solution is desalination.

Marin desalination plant edges closer to construction.

A desalination plant to deliver cleansed drinking water from San Rafael Bay to homes in Marin County moved a step closer to construction Wednesday when the state Supreme Court rejected a challenge by environmental advocates.

The San Rafael plant would provide at least 5 million gallons of water per day to residents of the Marin Municipal Water District.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Marin-desalination-plant-edges-closer-to-4807013.php

Not to mention with less ice and a more hospitable climate further north, that opens up untapped fertile land for farming.

The bottom line for me is that climate change is cyclical and it is determined by the activity of the sun not carbon dioxide coming from human sources.

There were ice ages before man, there were warming periods before industrialization. The ice sheet that helped form the features of New England began melting and receding without any human influence.

To attempt to separate the Al Gore alarmist wing from this debate is not going to happen. He and the criminal scientists that put their name on anthropogenic global warming to make money through books, lectures and movies will always be a part of this.



There is a big difference between drinking water and irrigation.

Al Gore is an opportunist who, with the help of some others, tried unsuccessfully to create the "carbon credit". Not one carbon credit would do anything to help global warming but would shift billions of dollars from one pocket to another.

That said, the billions of tons of carbon dumped into the atmosphere have had the effect studied by AT LEAST 97% of the climate scientists in the world. That effect being that much of the warming is man related, accelerating, and causing changes faster than the world's systems can adapt. Study the science. I have for many years.

For whatever reason, you are buying into the misinformation spread by Exxon and others to slow the pressure to switch automotive technology to non-carbon based.

The oil industry, especially offshore, has one of the worst accident records of any industry. Nuclear power has one of the safest records in the US. The new reactor designs are even safer. Making electricity with nukes and using it to charge your car at night would eliminate most of the auto carbon used in the US and many Western countries. Wind and solar can help in other ways but not by a huge percentage at this time. Solar roof shingles will be part of our future.

Take another look at your "ice sheet" example. It is exactly the kind of baloney that a few are trying to spread to the uneducated.












mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/17/13 08:23 AM



Global warming is real. The hype put to the problem by idiots like Al Gore has done more to hurt any real solution than help.

The world is about to lose all of it's glaciers which are the buffers for the most of the world's fresh water. No irrigation means no food.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/12/1112-melting-glaciers-mean-double-trouble-for-water-supplies/

About one third of the world's coral reefs are already dead. The increase in carbon dioxide is also increasing the PH of the water which is killing sea life faster than it can adapt by natural selection.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/climate-change/jan-june13/pledge_06-04.html

The oceans are also dying from the combined effects of overfishing and global warming. Large fish levels have dropped 90% since 1950 and are still dropping fast.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0515_030515_fishdecline.html

Rising sea levels are in the process of causing enormous damage that could cost trillions.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/11/23/climate.report.wwf.allianz/

The oil companies have done a tremendous job by spreading disinformation about global warming. I know and understand the science. I have visited the glaciers and coral reefs. I have seen the people who study the problem but do not necessarily work on solutions.

The sources above can duplicated with many other credible sources.

Anti global warming critics almost always use singular events to try to prove global consequences. It doesn't work that way. Ice sheets vary year by year but the TREND is what counts. Hotter temps cause unstable air and greater arctic air flows with create LOWER temperatures in some areas for some periods. But again, it is the overall TRENDS that matter. The normal cycles of the Pacific Ocean are causing some delay in global warming at the moment.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/03/global-warming-pacific-ocean-puzzle-piece

"These results are broadly consistent with several other important recent papers investigating the role of the oceans in global warming. For example, the model used in this study finds that the overall heating of the planet has not slowed when the warming of the oceans are taken into account, as studies led by John Abraham, myself, and several others have also concluded."

The big problem with global warming is that climatic conditions change but human populations do not relocate. The breadbasket of the US is moving north leaving drought behind. The best farmland in the US is being covered with subdivisions. (I live on some of it.)

When the fish are gone, we will need more farmland to make up for it. The water won't be there for the crops. Etc, etc., etc.


There is no doubt that since the last major ice age the earth has warmed.

That is pretty obvious since as far south as Manhattan was covered by an ice sheet 22,000 years ago.

New York City marks the southernmost boundary of an ice sheet that mantled much of North America. The Laurentide ice sheet advanced and retreated over a period of 60,000 years. The last advance reached maximum 22,000 years ago, extending from southeastern Alberta across what are now the Great Lakes to the east coast. Two lobes surged down the Connecticut and Hudson river valleys, sculpting the land and depositing the moraines and outwash that would become Long Island. Sea water was locked up in ice, lowering the sea level by 350 feet compared to today; from Cape Cod southward, the coastal plain jutted out 50 to 100 miles further than the present-day shoreline, almost to the edge of the continental shelf. The Hudson River sluiced through a deep gorge that cut through the plain and emptied into the Atlantic.

Glaciers literally created Long Island, and carved out the landscape we know today as the New York City region. Moraines, lakes and ponds, kettle holes, peat bogs, meltwater streams and valleys – all are relics of glacial topography. Between the receding ice front and terminal moraines, glacial meltwater formed huge lakes. By 12,000 years ago, the rising sea breached the morainal dams at several points, including the Verrazano Narrows. Hudson Lake released its waters to flow into the present-day channel of the Hudson River – a channel that had been established 120 million years earlier, when the continents split apart and the Palisades were exposed. The channel carved by the glacial Hudson River was drowned and is now an underwater canyon known to fisherman for its rich abundance of deep-water fish like tuna.

http://www.newyorknature.net/IceAge.html

As stated above, when the ice began to melt sea levels rose dramatically.

No one knows the technology that will exist 20 years or 50 years from now.

The lack of water due to drought is certainly and issue, but since the sea water level is supposed to rise then the obvious solution is desalination.

Marin desalination plant edges closer to construction.

A desalination plant to deliver cleansed drinking water from San Rafael Bay to homes in Marin County moved a step closer to construction Wednesday when the state Supreme Court rejected a challenge by environmental advocates.

The San Rafael plant would provide at least 5 million gallons of water per day to residents of the Marin Municipal Water District.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Marin-desalination-plant-edges-closer-to-4807013.php

Not to mention with less ice and a more hospitable climate further north, that opens up untapped fertile land for farming.

The bottom line for me is that climate change is cyclical and it is determined by the activity of the sun not carbon dioxide coming from human sources.

There were ice ages before man, there were warming periods before industrialization. The ice sheet that helped form the features of New England began melting and receding without any human influence.

To attempt to separate the Al Gore alarmist wing from this debate is not going to happen. He and the criminal scientists that put their name on anthropogenic global warming to make money through books, lectures and movies will always be a part of this.



There is a big difference between drinking water and irrigation.

Al Gore is an opportunist who, with the help of some others, tried unsuccessfully to create the "carbon credit". Not one carbon credit would do anything to help global warming but would shift billions of dollars from one pocket to another.

That said, the billions of tons of carbon dumped into the atmosphere have had the effect studied by AT LEAST 97% of the climate scientists in the world. That effect being that much of the warming is man related, accelerating, and causing changes faster than the world's systems can adapt. Study the science. I have for many years.

For whatever reason, you are buying into the misinformation spread by Exxon and others to slow the pressure to switch automotive technology to non-carbon based.

The oil industry, especially offshore, has one of the worst accident records of any industry. Nuclear power has one of the safest records in the US. The new reactor designs are even safer. Making electricity with nukes and using it to charge your car at night would eliminate most of the auto carbon used in the US and many Western countries. Wind and solar can help in other ways but not by a huge percentage at this time. Solar roof shingles will be part of our future.

Take another look at your "ice sheet" example. It is exactly the kind of baloney that a few are trying to spread to the uneducated.














i guess global warming is what caused the ice sheet last winter in Alaska that almost made a whole town starve to death when they couldn't get supplies last year, the coldest and longest winter in over 100 years in England, Germany, and a few other countries northern Europe...Brazil, Argentina, and Peru all had very harsh winters this year also... not to mention very mild summers for us, and the lack of hurricanes...

absolutely nothing is pointing towards the so called "global warming"