Topic: Putin the Puppet Master
Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Tue 09/10/13 05:55 AM
Since day one, Putin had been playing Obama like a fine tuned violin.
Now, knowing Obama is in a pickle with his red line, Putin reaches out and gives Obama a political way out of his mess.
With Russia and Syria offering in principle to hand over his chemical weapons to international control, gives Obama the exit door he needs to back off his strike.

Obama's spin machine will try to say it's because of his threat to strike that Syria and Russia agrees to this new option.

The truth is Russia would love to see an American "Limited" strike. Russia has sent electronic warfare ships to the area(spy ships)that would monitor our strike. Russia would gain valuable knowledge and intel of how far our capabilities have come over the last 10 years without sustaining much damage to Syria or Assad's forces.

One must wonder why Putin would concede to a deal that would save face for Obama. Knowing full well that things were looking pretty bleak in congress for Obama why would he offer such a plan?

Will Obama's deal with the devil call for huge concessions to Putin behind the scenes?
Will Obama forget about arming the rebels after this debacle blows over?

One can only guess, but Putin had Obama over a barrel and one must be very suspicious of what the Puppet Master is up to.

MoonsDragonLionWolf's photo
Tue 09/10/13 08:23 AM
Putin knows what he's doing when it comes to foreign policy while Obama and his administration are running around in circles with their heads up their backsides!
Those soabs!

:angry:

metalwing's photo
Tue 09/10/13 08:38 AM

Since day one, Putin had been playing Obama like a fine tuned violin.
Now, knowing Obama is in a pickle with his red line, Putin reaches out and gives Obama a political way out of his mess.
With Russia and Syria offering in principle to hand over his chemical weapons to international control, gives Obama the exit door he needs to back off his strike.

Obama's spin machine will try to say it's because of his threat to strike that Syria and Russia agrees to this new option.

The truth is Russia would love to see an American "Limited" strike. Russia has sent electronic warfare ships to the area(spy ships)that would monitor our strike. Russia would gain valuable knowledge and intel of how far our capabilities have come over the last 10 years without sustaining much damage to Syria or Assad's forces.

One must wonder why Putin would concede to a deal that would save face for Obama. Knowing full well that things were looking pretty bleak in congress for Obama why would he offer such a plan?

Will Obama's deal with the devil call for huge concessions to Putin behind the scenes?
Will Obama forget about arming the rebels after this debacle blows over?

One can only guess, but Putin had Obama over a barrel and one must be very suspicious of what the Puppet Master is up to.



This is a no-brainer. Russia gains international stature. The US loses it.

MoonsDragonLionWolf's photo
Tue 09/10/13 08:41 AM


Since day one, Putin had been playing Obama like a fine tuned violin.
Now, knowing Obama is in a pickle with his red line, Putin reaches out and gives Obama a political way out of his mess.
With Russia and Syria offering in principle to hand over his chemical weapons to international control, gives Obama the exit door he needs to back off his strike.

Obama's spin machine will try to say it's because of his threat to strike that Syria and Russia agrees to this new option.

The truth is Russia would love to see an American "Limited" strike. Russia has sent electronic warfare ships to the area(spy ships)that would monitor our strike. Russia would gain valuable knowledge and intel of how far our capabilities have come over the last 10 years without sustaining much damage to Syria or Assad's forces.

One must wonder why Putin would concede to a deal that would save face for Obama. Knowing full well that things were looking pretty bleak in congress for Obama why would he offer such a plan?

Will Obama's deal with the devil call for huge concessions to Putin behind the scenes?
Will Obama forget about arming the rebels after this debacle blows over?

One can only guess, but Putin had Obama over a barrel and one must be very suspicious of what the Puppet Master is up to.



This is a no-brainer. Russia gains international stature. The US loses it.


As if the US hasn't already lost it. whoa

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Tue 09/10/13 09:29 AM
As much as this would give Obama a face saving way to step back from his red line, it would also start another cluster f%$k.
It would be hard enough(as Iraq showed us)to find and secure his chemical weapons but also be extremely dangerous given the civil war in Syria.
Who would put their troops in the middle of a war to find and secure the weapons?
U.N troops? Russian troops? international troops? don't think so...it would take years to find and destroy these chemical weapons.
This seems to be just another "feel good" liberal way out of a fiasco
brought on by an incompetent and weak president.

no photo
Tue 09/10/13 09:37 AM
Not since Jimmy Carter have we seen such incompetence.ohwell

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Tue 09/10/13 09:39 AM

Not since Jimmy Carter have we seen such incompetence.ohwell

This is making Jimmy Carter look like a super herolaugh laugh

Traumer's photo
Tue 09/10/13 12:28 PM

As much as this would give Obama a face saving way to step back from his red line, it would also start another cluster f%$k.
It would be hard enough(as Iraq showed us)to find and secure his chemical weapons but also be extremely dangerous given the civil war in Syria.
Who would put their troops in the middle of a war to find and secure the weapons?
U.N troops? Russian troops? international troops? don't think so...it would take years to find and destroy these chemical weapons.
This seems to be just another "feel good" liberal way out of a fiasco
brought on by an incompetent and weak president.



Interesting and very narrow speculations.
A relatively small and barely visible amount of Russian troops have been stationed in Syria ever since the old days of the Warsaw Pact alliances. It would certainly be an excellent coup in world prestige, should Putin wish it, for Russian troops to have the priceless image of 'peace protectors' if they do openly take over the major chemical dumps in Syria and invite UN inspection which will develop into a joint Un-Russian force or simply Russian troops to be on site to monitor the chemical dumps. You can't put a price on that type of image.
Russian troops are the most feared in the middle East as ever since the US Marine Barracks were blown up in Lebanon back in the 80's. The last thing most terrorists want are Russian Spetsnaz troops on the loose coming after them again. They found the terrorists that blew up the Marines.
While Putin's image improves the world over, it certainly doesn't mean any corresponding loss of prestige to the US military. A possible toe-to-toe confrontation was avoided by both sides that on one hand was not well thought out by an amateur 'idealist' and a professional of very diverse background who knew how to keep his 'cool'. Putin for all intents and purposes did everyone a service and no one 'got a black-eye', as it were.

metalwing's photo
Tue 09/10/13 12:55 PM


As much as this would give Obama a face saving way to step back from his red line, it would also start another cluster f%$k.
It would be hard enough(as Iraq showed us)to find and secure his chemical weapons but also be extremely dangerous given the civil war in Syria.
Who would put their troops in the middle of a war to find and secure the weapons?
U.N troops? Russian troops? international troops? don't think so...it would take years to find and destroy these chemical weapons.
This seems to be just another "feel good" liberal way out of a fiasco
brought on by an incompetent and weak president.



Interesting and very narrow speculations.
A relatively small and barely visible amount of Russian troops have been stationed in Syria ever since the old days of the Warsaw Pact alliances. It would certainly be an excellent coup in world prestige, should Putin wish it, for Russian troops to have the priceless image of 'peace protectors' if they do openly take over the major chemical dumps in Syria and invite UN inspection which will develop into a joint Un-Russian force or simply Russian troops to be on site to monitor the chemical dumps. You can't put a price on that type of image.
Russian troops are the most feared in the middle East as ever since the US Marine Barracks were blown up in Lebanon back in the 80's. The last thing most terrorists want are Russian Spetsnaz troops on the loose coming after them again. They found the terrorists that blew up the Marines.
While Putin's image improves the world over, it certainly doesn't mean any corresponding loss of prestige to the US military. A possible toe-to-toe confrontation was avoided by both sides that on one hand was not well thought out by an amateur 'idealist' and a professional of very diverse background who knew how to keep his 'cool'. Putin for all intents and purposes did everyone a service and no one 'got a black-eye', as it were.


No one got a black eye? Now that's really funny!laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 09/10/13 12:59 PM


Since day one, Putin had been playing Obama like a fine tuned violin.
Now, knowing Obama is in a pickle with his red line, Putin reaches out and gives Obama a political way out of his mess.
With Russia and Syria offering in principle to hand over his chemical weapons to international control, gives Obama the exit door he needs to back off his strike.

Obama's spin machine will try to say it's because of his threat to strike that Syria and Russia agrees to this new option.

The truth is Russia would love to see an American "Limited" strike. Russia has sent electronic warfare ships to the area(spy ships)that would monitor our strike. Russia would gain valuable knowledge and intel of how far our capabilities have come over the last 10 years without sustaining much damage to Syria or Assad's forces.

One must wonder why Putin would concede to a deal that would save face for Obama. Knowing full well that things were looking pretty bleak in congress for Obama why would he offer such a plan?

Will Obama's deal with the devil call for huge concessions to Putin behind the scenes?
Will Obama forget about arming the rebels after this debacle blows over?

One can only guess, but Putin had Obama over a barrel and one must be very suspicious of what the Puppet Master is up to.



This is a no-brainer. Russia gains international stature. The US loses it.
The Khruschev/JFK-Game all over again!
Obama got suckered like JFK did with Cuba when he made the Deal about those Missiles,Missiles out,no Attack on Cuba!

metalwing's photo
Tue 09/10/13 07:43 PM



Since day one, Putin had been playing Obama like a fine tuned violin.
Now, knowing Obama is in a pickle with his red line, Putin reaches out and gives Obama a political way out of his mess.
With Russia and Syria offering in principle to hand over his chemical weapons to international control, gives Obama the exit door he needs to back off his strike.

Obama's spin machine will try to say it's because of his threat to strike that Syria and Russia agrees to this new option.

The truth is Russia would love to see an American "Limited" strike. Russia has sent electronic warfare ships to the area(spy ships)that would monitor our strike. Russia would gain valuable knowledge and intel of how far our capabilities have come over the last 10 years without sustaining much damage to Syria or Assad's forces.

One must wonder why Putin would concede to a deal that would save face for Obama. Knowing full well that things were looking pretty bleak in congress for Obama why would he offer such a plan?

Will Obama's deal with the devil call for huge concessions to Putin behind the scenes?
Will Obama forget about arming the rebels after this debacle blows over?

One can only guess, but Putin had Obama over a barrel and one must be very suspicious of what the Puppet Master is up to.



This is a no-brainer. Russia gains international stature. The US loses it.
The Khruschev/JFK-Game all over again!
Obama got suckered like JFK did with Cuba when he made the Deal about those Missiles,Missiles out,no Attack on Cuba!


Yep! Iran can breath a sigh of relief for future twists and turns.


no photo
Wed 09/11/13 07:03 AM



Since day one, Putin had been playing Obama like a fine tuned violin.
Now, knowing Obama is in a pickle with his red line, Putin reaches out and gives Obama a political way out of his mess.
With Russia and Syria offering in principle to hand over his chemical weapons to international control, gives Obama the exit door he needs to back off his strike.

Obama's spin machine will try to say it's because of his threat to strike that Syria and Russia agrees to this new option.

The truth is Russia would love to see an American "Limited" strike. Russia has sent electronic warfare ships to the area(spy ships)that would monitor our strike. Russia would gain valuable knowledge and intel of how far our capabilities have come over the last 10 years without sustaining much damage to Syria or Assad's forces.

One must wonder why Putin would concede to a deal that would save face for Obama. Knowing full well that things were looking pretty bleak in congress for Obama why would he offer such a plan?

Will Obama's deal with the devil call for huge concessions to Putin behind the scenes?
Will Obama forget about arming the rebels after this debacle blows over?

One can only guess, but Putin had Obama over a barrel and one must be very suspicious of what the Puppet Master is up to.



This is a no-brainer. Russia gains international stature. The US loses it.
The Khruschev/JFK-Game all over again!
Obama got suckered like JFK did with Cuba when he made the Deal about those Missiles,Missiles out,no Attack on Cuba!


The difference between Khrushchev and Putin, is that Putin does not give one flying ****. You're talking about the man who preeetty much wen out of his way to NOT deny his involvement in the murder of multiple diplomats and news reporters with radiation poisoning.

Same guy who cut off all gas to Ukraine because they pissed him off one day.

Same guy who has a Prime Minister(Meddie)who sraight up told AP, Reuters when asked last year about why not force a UN sec resolution in Syria, that "Moscow does not want regime-change in Damascus". When they asked for an elaboration, he told them it was because they like selling them guns and armor!!!!

I'm gonna go learn Cyrillic now.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 09/11/13 07:10 AM




Since day one, Putin had been playing Obama like a fine tuned violin.
Now, knowing Obama is in a pickle with his red line, Putin reaches out and gives Obama a political way out of his mess.
With Russia and Syria offering in principle to hand over his chemical weapons to international control, gives Obama the exit door he needs to back off his strike.

Obama's spin machine will try to say it's because of his threat to strike that Syria and Russia agrees to this new option.

The truth is Russia would love to see an American "Limited" strike. Russia has sent electronic warfare ships to the area(spy ships)that would monitor our strike. Russia would gain valuable knowledge and intel of how far our capabilities have come over the last 10 years without sustaining much damage to Syria or Assad's forces.

One must wonder why Putin would concede to a deal that would save face for Obama. Knowing full well that things were looking pretty bleak in congress for Obama why would he offer such a plan?

Will Obama's deal with the devil call for huge concessions to Putin behind the scenes?
Will Obama forget about arming the rebels after this debacle blows over?

One can only guess, but Putin had Obama over a barrel and one must be very suspicious of what the Puppet Master is up to.



This is a no-brainer. Russia gains international stature. The US loses it.
The Khruschev/JFK-Game all over again!
Obama got suckered like JFK did with Cuba when he made the Deal about those Missiles,Missiles out,no Attack on Cuba!


The difference between Khrushchev and Putin, is that Putin does not give one flying ****. You're talking about the man who preeetty much wen out of his way to NOT deny his involvement in the murder of multiple diplomats and news reporters with radiation poisoning.

Same guy who cut off all gas to Ukraine because they pissed him off one day.

Same guy who has a Prime Minister(Meddie)who sraight up told AP, Reuters when asked last year about why not force a UN sec resolution in Syria, that "Moscow does not want regime-change in Damascus". When they asked for an elaboration, he told them it was because they like selling them guns and armor!!!!

I'm gonna go learn Cyrillic now.
you really think old Nikita gave a Crap?

Don't be too hasty,they use the Latin-Alphabet as well!laugh