Topic: America is run by war criminals and liars!
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 09/06/13 07:45 AM

The US Government Stands Revealed to the World as a Collection of War Criminals and Liars

Paul Craig Roberts

Does the American public have the strength of character to face the fact that the US government stands before the entire world revealed as a collection of war criminals who lie every time that they open their mouth? Will Congress and the American public buy the White House lie that they must support war criminals and liars or �America will lose face�?

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/09/05/the-us-government-stands-revealed-to-the-world-as-a-collection-of-war-criminals-and-liars/


BrianLovesGuitar's photo
Fri 09/06/13 07:56 AM
and banks!!

KinBarrie's photo
Fri 09/06/13 08:35 AM
Edited by KinBarrie on Fri 09/06/13 08:36 AM
The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.

BrianLovesGuitar's photo
Fri 09/06/13 08:57 AM

The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.



I dunno mate, the UK parliment has just veto'd our prime minister regarding strikes against Syria, so we are no longer taking part. As a result, the Americans (to our great amusement) have began calling France their 'closest ally'

The Brittish people were fed up of being seen as America's lapdog, and I think we are finaly starting to see our cousins in the US are turning into a facist state without realising it, or rather their corrupt government are. Strong words, but you should watch the movie director Aron Russo's doucumentary 'America - Freedom to Facisim' and you will understand. Russo is American by the way laugh

I think the Brittish people were annoyed at the commons veto on Syria, because finaly there is a just cause on the table with full evidence, but because of the blatant mistake with Iraq and their weapons of mass destruction, our politicians are now scared to put the foot in.

sybariticguy's photo
Fri 09/06/13 09:06 AM

The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.

Its not money that is evil its the methods men use to get and control it... Money is neutral and only a tool used for good and evil purposes...

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Fri 09/06/13 09:17 AM


The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.



I dunno mate, the UK parliment has just veto'd our prime minister regarding strikes against Syria, so we are no longer taking part. As a result, the Americans (to our great amusement) have began calling France their 'closest ally'

The Brittish people were fed up of being seen as America's lapdog, and I think we are finaly starting to see our cousins in the US are turning into a facist state without realising it, or rather their corrupt government are. Strong words, but you should watch the movie director Aron Russo's doucumentary 'America - Freedom to Facisim' and you will understand. Russo is American by the way laugh

I think the Brittish people were annoyed at the commons veto on Syria, because finaly there is a just cause on the table with full evidence, but because of the blatant mistake with Iraq and their weapons of mass destruction, our politicians are now scared to put the foot in.

I have never heard (not that some idiot didn't say it)anyone call France our greatest Ally. The Brits and Americans have always been the closest of ally's along with the Aussies and Canadians. I wouldn't even put the French in the same sentence as the others.
As far as lap dogs, maybe the British see it as that, but we have also always watched the backs of out British friends. Although we did not take a public stand on the Falklands, we did support it through military and intelligence behind the scenes.
I do tend to agree that THIS president is a fascist, and hopefully we can right that wrong in the near future!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 09/06/13 09:18 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 09/06/13 09:21 AM

The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.



In essence you are correct, but look at the obvious.

We took Gadhafi out of business in Libya. Why, because he was going to start selling Libyas oil in gold rather than petro dollars which would have strengthened his countries economy and set a disturbing precedent to other oil or mineral rich 3rd world countries, and loosened the hold of the IMF and world bank on his citizens.

While Gadhafi was a tyrant (like Assad), under his leadership they were building schools, museums, cultural centers, malls, business, and the economy. Warlords and the banks were losing their grip on the impoverished regions, but for the most part all were living in relative peace and prosperity.

The first order of business after his demise was to re-establish the control of the fiat world bank, and the petro dollar. Now, while the country is in utter chaos as Benghazi showed and proved to us, the banks once again control, profiting from whatever faction is in supposed power of the region!

Banks and religious belief make the worst of bedfellows, causing more wars and bloodshed than anything else known to man!

MoonsDragonLionWolf's photo
Fri 09/06/13 09:23 AM
If they're just figuring out that politicians are liars then they're late to the game.
I don't know which war criminals they're referring to though. what


BrianLovesGuitar's photo
Fri 09/06/13 09:27 AM



The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.



I dunno mate, the UK parliment has just veto'd our prime minister regarding strikes against Syria, so we are no longer taking part. As a result, the Americans (to our great amusement) have began calling France their 'closest ally'

The Brittish people were fed up of being seen as America's lapdog, and I think we are finaly starting to see our cousins in the US are turning into a facist state without realising it, or rather their corrupt government are. Strong words, but you should watch the movie director Aron Russo's doucumentary 'America - Freedom to Facisim' and you will understand. Russo is American by the way laugh

I think the Brittish people were annoyed at the commons veto on Syria, because finaly there is a just cause on the table with full evidence, but because of the blatant mistake with Iraq and their weapons of mass destruction, our politicians are now scared to put the foot in.

I have never heard (not that some idiot didn't say it)anyone call France our greatest Ally. The Brits and Americans have always been the closest of ally's along with the Aussies and Canadians. I wouldn't even put the French in the same sentence as the others.
As far as lap dogs, maybe the British see it as that, but we have also always watched the backs of out British friends. Although we did not take a public stand on the Falklands, we did support it through military and intelligence behind the scenes.
I do tend to agree that THIS president is a fascist, and hopefully we can right that wrong in the near future!


Its reasurring to hear that from one of our cousin's over the pond.

We havent forgotten the lend lease programme of WW2. We havent forgotten north Africa or Normandy or the bulge.

It was your no2 i believe that said France was your oldest ally, but you would need to google it to find out who it was. It was only a few days ago and my memory eludes me.

The Falklands was a different matter entirely. The people that live on those islands wish to remain Brittish, surely then it should remain that way? We even offered Argentina dual control but they refused. It would be hard for the Americans to be involved in that conflict, as it was regarding Brittish soverignty, and Argentina being in south America made it hard for them.

With regards to Obama, i think G Dubya was more facisit than him. Dubya owned a 25% controlling stake in the company that provides armamnets to the US military, so going to war in Iraq made perfect sense to him, and he spun a merry tale of weapons of mass destruction to peddle it. unfortunatley we all bought it and went to war, and Mr Bush became a richer man




Conrad_73's photo
Fri 09/06/13 09:31 AM


The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.

Its not money that is evil its the methods men use to get and control it... Money is neutral and only a tool used for good and evil purposes...
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 09/06/13 09:35 AM

The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.



So you think that money is the root of all evil? . . . Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can�t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor�your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money. Is this what you consider evil?

Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions�and you�ll learn that man�s mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man�s capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made�before it can be looted or mooched�made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can�t consume more than he has produced.JOHN GALT

Next thing I know you'll tell me that War produces general Wealth?

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Fri 09/06/13 09:41 AM




The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.



I dunno mate, the UK parliment has just veto'd our prime minister regarding strikes against Syria, so we are no longer taking part. As a result, the Americans (to our great amusement) have began calling France their 'closest ally'

The Brittish people were fed up of being seen as America's lapdog, and I think we are finaly starting to see our cousins in the US are turning into a facist state without realising it, or rather their corrupt government are. Strong words, but you should watch the movie director Aron Russo's doucumentary 'America - Freedom to Facisim' and you will understand. Russo is American by the way laugh

I think the Brittish people were annoyed at the commons veto on Syria, because finaly there is a just cause on the table with full evidence, but because of the blatant mistake with Iraq and their weapons of mass destruction, our politicians are now scared to put the foot in.

I have never heard (not that some idiot didn't say it)anyone call France our greatest Ally. The Brits and Americans have always been the closest of ally's along with the Aussies and Canadians. I wouldn't even put the French in the same sentence as the others.
As far as lap dogs, maybe the British see it as that, but we have also always watched the backs of out British friends. Although we did not take a public stand on the Falklands, we did support it through military and intelligence behind the scenes.
I do tend to agree that THIS president is a fascist, and hopefully we can right that wrong in the near future!


Its reasurring to hear that from one of our cousin's over the pond.

We havent forgotten the lend lease programme of WW2. We havent forgotten north Africa or Normandy or the bulge.

It was your no2 i believe that said France was your oldest ally, but you would need to google it to find out who it was. It was only a few days ago and my memory eludes me.

The Falklands was a different matter entirely. The people that live on those islands wish to remain Brittish, surely then it should remain that way? We even offered Argentina dual control but they refused. It would be hard for the Americans to be involved in that conflict, as it was regarding Brittish soverignty, and Argentina being in south America made it hard for them.

With regards to Obama, i think G Dubya was more facisit than him. Dubya owned a 25% controlling stake in the company that provides armamnets to the US military, so going to war in Iraq made perfect sense to him, and he spun a merry tale of weapons of mass destruction to peddle it. unfortunatley we all bought it and went to war, and Mr Bush became a richer man





Here's the definition as stated in the Merriman-Webster dictionary.
Definition of FASCISM
1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality � J. W. Aldridge>

I think Obama squarely fits the above a lot more then Bush ever did!:wink:

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 09/06/13 10:28 AM





The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.



I dunno mate, the UK parliment has just veto'd our prime minister regarding strikes against Syria, so we are no longer taking part. As a result, the Americans (to our great amusement) have began calling France their 'closest ally'

The Brittish people were fed up of being seen as America's lapdog, and I think we are finaly starting to see our cousins in the US are turning into a facist state without realising it, or rather their corrupt government are. Strong words, but you should watch the movie director Aron Russo's doucumentary 'America - Freedom to Facisim' and you will understand. Russo is American by the way laugh

I think the Brittish people were annoyed at the commons veto on Syria, because finaly there is a just cause on the table with full evidence, but because of the blatant mistake with Iraq and their weapons of mass destruction, our politicians are now scared to put the foot in.

I have never heard (not that some idiot didn't say it)anyone call France our greatest Ally. The Brits and Americans have always been the closest of ally's along with the Aussies and Canadians. I wouldn't even put the French in the same sentence as the others.
As far as lap dogs, maybe the British see it as that, but we have also always watched the backs of out British friends. Although we did not take a public stand on the Falklands, we did support it through military and intelligence behind the scenes.
I do tend to agree that THIS president is a fascist, and hopefully we can right that wrong in the near future!


Its reasurring to hear that from one of our cousin's over the pond.

We havent forgotten the lend lease programme of WW2. We havent forgotten north Africa or Normandy or the bulge.

It was your no2 i believe that said France was your oldest ally, but you would need to google it to find out who it was. It was only a few days ago and my memory eludes me.

The Falklands was a different matter entirely. The people that live on those islands wish to remain Brittish, surely then it should remain that way? We even offered Argentina dual control but they refused. It would be hard for the Americans to be involved in that conflict, as it was regarding Brittish soverignty, and Argentina being in south America made it hard for them.

With regards to Obama, i think G Dubya was more facisit than him. Dubya owned a 25% controlling stake in the company that provides armamnets to the US military, so going to war in Iraq made perfect sense to him, and he spun a merry tale of weapons of mass destruction to peddle it. unfortunatley we all bought it and went to war, and Mr Bush became a richer man





Here's the definition as stated in the Merriman-Webster dictionary.
Definition of FASCISM
1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality � J. W. Aldridge>

I think Obama squarely fits the above a lot more then Bush ever did!:wink:
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini

Ring a BELL?

KinBarrie's photo
Fri 09/06/13 04:06 PM


The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.



I dunno mate, the UK parliment has just veto'd our prime minister regarding strikes against Syria, so we are no longer taking part. As a result, the Americans (to our great amusement) have began calling France their 'closest ally'

The Brittish people were fed up of being seen as America's lapdog, and I think we are finaly starting to see our cousins in the US are turning into a facist state without realising it, or rather their corrupt government are. Strong words, but you should watch the movie director Aron Russo's doucumentary 'America - Freedom to Facisim' and you will understand. Russo is American by the way laugh

I think the Brittish people were annoyed at the commons veto on Syria, because finaly there is a just cause on the table with full evidence, but because of the blatant mistake with Iraq and their weapons of mass destruction, our politicians are now scared to put the foot in.


We'll just have to wait and see if Britain's holding
back is just temporary.Canada has already joined in,
but said they want "to bring peace".whoa This used
to be the way Canada worked in overseas mission. A
lot of Canadians were very proud of our peacekeeping
ways. Now, since we have Neocons in parliament, we'd
become warriors like our US neighbors and cousins.

A good number of Canadians I'm sure feel we're the US
politician's lapdogs, and to an extent we are, not only
because we're joined at the hip, they are also our largest
trading partner. Hope you guys down south enjoy the maple
syrup and toques.:wink: laugh

In the Bible it said the world (humanity would end)
with a war in the Middle East. Makes me wonder.ohwell

Sounds like an interesting documentary, Brian. Wonder if
it's on Ytube?

KinBarrie's photo
Fri 09/06/13 04:16 PM


The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.



In essence you are correct, but look at the obvious.

We took Gadhafi out of business in Libya. Why, because he was going to start selling Libyas oil in gold rather than petro dollars which would have strengthened his countries economy and set a disturbing precedent to other oil or mineral rich 3rd world countries, and loosened the hold of the IMF and world bank on his citizens.

While Gadhafi was a tyrant (like Assad), under his leadership they were building schools, museums, cultural centers, malls, business, and the economy. Warlords and the banks were losing their grip on the impoverished regions, but for the most part all were living in relative peace and prosperity.

The first order of business after his demise was to re-establish the control of the fiat world bank, and the petro dollar. Now, while the country is in utter chaos as Benghazi showed and proved to us, the banks once again control, profiting from whatever faction is in supposed power of the region!

Banks and religious belief make the worst of bedfellows, causing more wars and bloodshed than anything else known to man!


Since we have had a neocon majority for the last two years,
we also had to join in the Libyan mission.Canada is pretty
much like the US now, not like it was all that different
to begin with. Just different accents in different parts,
and a different parliament system, based on the British
model.

Apparently, Saddam Hussein ruled with an iron fist, but
kept crime down and the people in line. They had said he
didn't trust terrorists, and no affiliation with the taliban.
Much like Gaddafi, was a tyrant in his land, but didn't deserve
to have his and people killed in the name of oil and money.


In the past, religion and greed had killed more people
than any other reason. Now I get the feeling it's about
green than anything else.

KinBarrie's photo
Fri 09/06/13 04:19 PM


The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.

Its not money that is evil its the methods men use to get and control it... Money is neutral and only a tool used for good and evil purposes...

True enough! However, if the past is any indicator, the
Bible quoting "power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts
absolutely", sure rings true to this day. And there is
no power without money.

KinBarrie's photo
Fri 09/06/13 04:31 PM


The Unites States and Great Britain run the show.
They aren't the only ones involved though. They
pretend to be at war and hate the country its
fighting, but in actuality, they're sending
troops from NA( USA and Canada) to die for
nothing. All in vain. It's population control
in a sense. The leaders of the world, the UN
are all in cahoots with each other.

And why is this? War makes money, and lots of it.
It is the root of all evil, no doubt about it.



So you think that money is the root of all evil? . . . Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can�t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor�your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money. Is this what you consider evil?

Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions�and you�ll learn that man�s mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man�s capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made�before it can be looted or mooched�made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can�t consume more than he has produced.JOHN GALT

Next thing I know you'll tell me that War produces general Wealth?


The "unthinking brutes" as you call them, built your
Country and mine. The wealthy just took most of the
profit for themselves.

And this mooching. Are referring to people on welfare?
Disability pensions?

I won't knock the inventors and innovators who invented
the amazing things humanity could to build up its
economy, and give the monetary system a chance to
distribute itself properly, to all those in need.

I'm not saying that the money or the monetary
system that's in place is evil. What I mean was
that the people who craved for vast riches and
power were corrupted by the only system we have to
use for trade.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sat 09/07/13 06:06 PM

Obama keeps mentioning the 400 children who died in Syria...

Mr President, what about all the women and children your drones have killed in countries we are not at war with?

I wish someone would remind him about Madeleine Albright Saying the Deaths Of 500,000 Iraqi Children are Worth It.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0WDCYcUJ4o

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Sun 09/08/13 11:07 PM
Us and them, yet they are us. Hmmm.....