What a wall of text... EDIT please... throw in some spacing & paragraphs and more people might read it,

Just a suggestion for you..

War is supposed to be between two armies, not purposeful slaughtering or torturing civilians.... those are called 'war crimes."

They do happen all the time. Nevertheless, they are war crimes.

The armies are supposed to wear uniforms so they can be identified. That is the reason the Iraqi military all took off their uniforms and abandoned their weapons and disappeared into the civilian population. They saw they were outnumbered and they knew it would be a slaughter to go up against the American Military.

Therefore, there was no 'war' in Iraq. It was simply an invasion.

The "military" became "the resistance" to the invasion, they abandoned their uniforms and weapons. The term "resistance" was renamed "insurgents" because "resistance" made them sound too much like heroes defending the invasion.... (which they were.)

Shock and Awe campaign bombed civilians and hospitals. They killed babies, women, children....

This is not war, this was an invasion.

Given all the details be they lurid or banal of what to most sane and moral people would term "war crimes" be it in an environment of a declared war or of acts committed in a non declared war, no oath to any government to date actually specify just what those oaths of allegiance entail. No oath has any such thing as "truth in advertising"; from all my direct experiences in military services, all oaths are based on hiding the stark reality of just what is demanded and expected of the oath taker. I have always thought that all oaths to govt. and the military should be specific, in other words spell it all out, literally, in clear understandable language that cannot be "interpreted to mean..." or "was meant to be..."
Lets openly admit and say it straight out so that even the most primitive trailer park neanderthal with less than a 4th grade education totally understands just what they are saying in taking an oath to and for their country.
Some countries hide the awful truth by glamourizing what those oaths mean to the general public; they rely on the purely primitive instincts of the general population of most countries while the so called intelligent and educated ones merely snicker while they recite their oath because of formal protocols to repeat them like parrots, all the time knowing that they really mean shyte. One takes an oath of allegiance and one leaves whatever morality they think that they may have, in the garbage can, spiritually labeled "Dump your morals in here if you are a true patriot"
I would love to see all oaths of allegiance specify that the takers will commit what are in most normal minds be murder, torture, kidnapping of men, women and children of any and all those whom the government declare as enemies or hostile to your government's point of view. (Keep a notepad, as the list will get only longer!)
These hostiles and/or enemies will be... anyone, at any time; the guy down the street from where you live, your next door neighbor, some kid in a local high school, some family if Kabul or Rio; makes no difference...go get them and don't forget, always lie to everyone about any and everything; just focus and "do your duty as a true patriot!" Everything is secret and classified. Your govt., your country is your GOD; nothing else, no one else matters. Soon, everyone will become hostile and an enemy, , perhaps your children, parents and/ or spouse. You will report them and in the interest of "National Security" they will be dealt with by those who have sworn to uphold the security of your great and fearless leaders and your sacred country, so help you God...ever wonder just who that 'God' might be? No actual name is ever uttered in any public venue overseen by government people; certainly not Christ; that name is anathema to any govt. that styles itself "of the people, by the people and for the people"
The truth will not set one free but only send you to prison or death if contaminated by morality or conscious. True patriots follow blindly and are immune to morality and will never have a conscious.
Let us all stand and swear our allegiance...and call a spade a spade and not label it as 'a security matter that must be kept classified'.
Shyte on all flags of all governments and their oaths.

i'm failing to understand your point here... your against war?

fine, that still doesn't make it any less than what is... war..
just the name alone implys bad things are going to happen

the point of a war is to win it, nothing else.. by any means necessary... all this crap about killing babies is pointless, because a war is a war..

Of course.




By any means necessary? Wrong.

If that were true, there would be no such thing as "war crimes."

People still have morals and there are even rules for war.


Rules of Engagement (ROE) are rules or directives to military forces (including individuals) that define the circumstances, conditions, degree, and manner in which force, or actions which might be construed as provocative, may be applied.

Funny,you telling a Writer how to write!

It is time for people to realize and exercise their freedom and sovereignty.

Did you hear about he Judge that made a woman change her child's name because she felt that "Messiah" was reserved only for Jesus Christ?

Seriously? Now we can't name our children what we want?

Did your hear they are putting black boxes in automobiles now? And there will be a requirement to have one in your car.

When Timothy P. Murray crashed his Ford in 2011, he was fortunate. The lieutenant governor of Massachusetts was not seriously hurt, and he told police he was not speeding.

But a different story soon emerged. Murray was driving more than 100 miles an hour and was not wearing a seat belt, according to the computer in his car.

The case put Murray at the center of a debate over a piece of equipment: the event data recorder, or black box.

About 96 percent of vehicles sold in the United States have the boxes; if the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has its way, all will.

The data identify safety problems and are used as evidence in accidents and crimes. But the trove of data has raised privacy concerns.

lol.. RoE means nothing... what are they going to do if one side breaks them? go to war?

lol, your funny sometimes...

with cell phones tracking, on-star, that always knows where your at anytime, and other devices implanted into cars now, you really think black boxes are something to worry about? i like the idea, people won't be able to lie their way out of it now...

Then you will fit right in to the new world order. You will forfeit your freedom when your masters decide to be corrupt and put you into slavery.

So unless you can assure everyone that a government never becomes corrupt or turns into a dictatorship, I will still be against black boxes, and tracking devices and government monitoring of our emails and phone calls.

For me, freedom is paramount. When a government or system has that kind of power, you will have lost your freedom and ability to protest when they start committing war crimes and arresting whom ever they choose, just like Hitler did.

You would give this kind of power to Hilter if you were a Jew I suppose.

You are so naive.

You can't change the past.., but you can change the present and the future..

Since the dawn of time.., there has always been "control" in societies.. I mentioned this much earlier.., but PLATO: THE REPUBLIC is a model used (and of course. modified) in many, many societies.. I'm not saying that I agree with everything that goes on.., because I sure don't..,

BUT...

I also understand why certain things aren't passed out to the general public.., because not everyone can mentally & emotionally absorb all the knowledge out there.. and you would have mass hysteria all the time, from those who don't..

The problem comes.., from when people in power disrespect/ take for granted... and "abuse" the power they have... I think both sides of the argument/debate here would agree..?

So... There are BOTH good things and bad things.., that arise out of advancing technology and communication.., It makes it easier for spying and what not, that goes against privacy..., but it also allows more immediate access to the general public for "some" of the underhanded stuff going on.., like Moe has stated..

I think both of you (Jeannie & Moe) appear to be intelligent people.., so I don't see why all the insults back and forth going on help either of you, with your stances in the discussion..? It reminds me of a sports forum, where posters are arguing over what player was better..and who should have been traded.., etc..

Everyone has their own opinion... THere are good points on both sides of your debates, if you look at it without all the insult slinging..

of course there is an abuse of power, but that doesn't mean i'm going to dwell on it.. everyone wants to gripe, but nobody is doing anything about it...

You can't change the past.., but you can change the present and the future..

Since the dawn of time.., there has always been "control" in societies.. I mentioned this much earlier.., but PLATO: THE REPUBLIC is a model used (and of course. modified) in many, many societies.. I'm not saying that I agree with everything that goes on.., because I sure don't..,

BUT...

I also understand why certain things aren't passed out to the general public.., because not everyone can mentally & emotionally absorb all the knowledge out there.. and you would have mass hysteria all the time, from those who don't..

The problem comes.., from when people in power disrespect/ take for granted... and "abuse" the power they have... I think both sides of the argument/debate here would agree..?

So... There are BOTH good things and bad things.., that arise out of advancing technology and communication.., It makes it easier for spying and what not, that goes against privacy..., but it also allows more immediate access to the general public for "some" of the underhanded stuff going on.., like Moe has stated..

I think both of you (Jeannie & Moe) appear to be intelligent people.., so I don't see why all the insults back and forth going on help either of you, with your stances in the discussion..? It reminds me of a sports forum, where posters are arguing over what player was better..and who should have been traded.., etc..

Everyone has their own opinion... THere are good points on both sides of your debates, if you look at it without all the insult slinging..

of course there is an abuse of power, but that doesn't mean i'm going to dwell on it.. everyone wants to gripe, but nobody is doing anything about it...

of course there is an abuse of power, but that doesn't mean i'm going to dwell on it.. everyone wants to gripe, but nobody is doing anything about it...

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No you don't need to 'dwell' on it but you might be a little more aware of it and how this kind of thing is eroding our privacy and our freedoms.

Instead, you go along with it, agree with it, and contribute to it, and even defend it.

You must have a lot of faith in your masters.

i'm perfectly aware of whats going on... i don't see the need to broadcast it at all... don't forget, NSA is watching, even in here...

Really? They must have an awful lot of employees. I wonder if they are hiring.