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Topic: Right and wrong, vs "sin."
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Mon 07/15/13 09:54 AM





What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call [man’s] Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge—he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil—he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor—he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire—he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy—all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man’s fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was—that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love—he was not man.

Man’s fall, according to your teachers, was that he gained the virtues required to live. These virtues, by their standard, are his Sin. His evil, they charge, is that he’s man. His guilt, they charge, is that he lives.

They call it a morality of mercy and a doctrine of love for man.

No, they say, they do not preach that man is evil, the evil is only that alien object: his body. No, they say, they do not wish to kill him, they only wish to make him lose his body. They seek to help him, they say, against his pain—and they point at the torture rack to which they’ve tied him, the rack with two wheels that pull him in opposite directions, the rack of the doctrine that splits his soul and body.


The good, say the mystics of spirit, is God, a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man’s power to conceive—a definition that invalidates man’s consciousness and nullifies his concepts of existence. . . . Man’s mind, say the mystics of spirit, must be subordinated to the will of God. . . . Man’s standard of value, say the mystics of spirit, is the pleasure of God, whose standards are beyond man’s power of comprehension and must be accepted on faith . . . The purpose of man’s life . . . is to become an abject zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question.

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/religion.html


Awesome! Love it!

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You might say that man's original sin is that he became aware and conscious.

Perhaps some inner dimensional alien beings genetically engineered the human body to be a non thinking clone, to be used and possessed as a vehicle. In order to operate in this third density world they needed physical bodies. These inner dimensional beings can enter and possess these bodies, just as we use an automobile.

They were not supposed to be more than dumb animals or mindless clones. They had souls, consciousness, morals and knowledge of right and wrong.




The original man was not a robot but a much more superior being above everything on earth both in power,widom and majesty,full of love,compassion and trust,which the serpent took advantage of to bring him down. It was He,who gave names to every living thing on earth ,even woman? Don't think a senseless robot can do that?



Outsmarted by a serpent man? You call that superior?

An animal has no concept of right and wrong. According to the Bible, neither did Adam and Eve. They may have been perfect specimens of humanoids but they were like new born children...innocent and not too wise.





that's interjecting modern ideas with what the bible said

it says they didn't know GOOD AND EVIL,, it doesn't say they didn't know right and wrong, or how to be obedient or disobedient

Eve was persuaded, after clearly stating the knowledge that she was not to eat from the tree,,,,KNOWLEDGE of what she was not supposed to do,,,

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Mon 07/15/13 10:08 AM





What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call [man’s] Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge—he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil—he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor—he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire—he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy—all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man’s fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was—that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love—he was not man.

Man’s fall, according to your teachers, was that he gained the virtues required to live. These virtues, by their standard, are his Sin. His evil, they charge, is that he’s man. His guilt, they charge, is that he lives.

They call it a morality of mercy and a doctrine of love for man.

No, they say, they do not preach that man is evil, the evil is only that alien object: his body. No, they say, they do not wish to kill him, they only wish to make him lose his body. They seek to help him, they say, against his pain—and they point at the torture rack to which they’ve tied him, the rack with two wheels that pull him in opposite directions, the rack of the doctrine that splits his soul and body.


The good, say the mystics of spirit, is God, a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man’s power to conceive—a definition that invalidates man’s consciousness and nullifies his concepts of existence. . . . Man’s mind, say the mystics of spirit, must be subordinated to the will of God. . . . Man’s standard of value, say the mystics of spirit, is the pleasure of God, whose standards are beyond man’s power of comprehension and must be accepted on faith . . . The purpose of man’s life . . . is to become an abject zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question.

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/religion.html


Awesome! Love it!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

You might say that man's original sin is that he became aware and conscious.

Perhaps some inner dimensional alien beings genetically engineered the human body to be a non thinking clone, to be used and possessed as a vehicle. In order to operate in this third density world they needed physical bodies. These inner dimensional beings can enter and possess these bodies, just as we use an automobile.

They were not supposed to be more than dumb animals or mindless clones. They had souls, consciousness, morals and knowledge of right and wrong.




The original man was not a robot but a much more superior being above everything on earth both in power,widom and majesty,full of love,compassion and trust,which the serpent took advantage of to bring him down. It was He,who gave names to every living thing on earth ,even woman? Don't think a senseless robot can do that?



Outsmarted by a serpent man? You call that superior?

An animal has no concept of right and wrong. According to the Bible, neither did Adam and Eve. They may have been perfect specimens of humanoids but they were like new born children...innocent and not too wise.





that's interjecting modern ideas with what the bible said

it says they didn't know GOOD AND EVIL,, it doesn't say they didn't know right and wrong, or how to be obedient or disobedient

Eve was persuaded, after clearly stating the knowledge that she was not to eat from the tree,,,,KNOWLEDGE of what she was not supposed to do,,,


Your last sentence..

Eve was persuaded, after clearly stating the knowledge that she was not to eat from the tree,,,,KNOWLEDGE of what she was not supposed to do,,,

Thinking about Knowledge the scriptures say " My people are destroyed for lack of Knowledge.

It's true they did not know good and evil until they disobeyed.

What I am wondering do you think that after they obeyed in the garden and then banned from it. That knowledge may is to understand what sin is?

That once they knew good from evil Yahweh says to seek His Knowledge which will keep you from evil since the garden.

Could the Knowledge of Yahweh's Presence only be known through study and practice of His Lifestyle he told us to live?

I say this because they disobeyed and learned good and evil. So do you think being destroyed for lack of is knowledge of what sin is and to stay away from it just like Adam and Eve were told? Sin being the forbidden fruit?

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