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Topic: Depression and Individualism
ViaMusica's photo
Tue 06/25/13 05:49 PM


Since the topic of depression is linked by Msharmony to "individualism" and "freedom" these things too have to be addressed.

If you don't understand what she means by "freedom" and "individualism" then you can't possibly understand her point or agree with any of her conclusions.







freedom and individualism both have a scale,,,there is no absolute

its kind of like pregnant,, a pregnant woman is a pregnant woman,, but the one who is one week pregnant is not AS pregnant as the one who is 9 months


that being said,, the MORE freedoms individuals in a culture are given, the fewer BOUNDARIES/LAWS/EXPECTATIONS are present,,,,, for them

, according to the article, the more prevalent DEPRESSION will be found amongst those individuals


the more INDIVIDUALISTIC one is , that is to say, the more one feels that they are the sole concern of their universe and not obligated towards any collective, any group, any authority,,,,,,the more likely they will be (when faced with reality perhaps?) to become discouraged/disappointed/ depressed,,,,,




Okay, now we're getting to kind of the same page...

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 06/25/13 06:02 PM
Organic depression is just that - organic. It does not come and go with the amount of individual freedom that one has.

ViaMusica's photo
Tue 06/25/13 06:13 PM

Organic depression is just that - organic. It does not come and go with the amount of individual freedom that one has.

Depression in general doesn't come and go with that, either.

The point of the article (did you read it?) is that in "WE"-centered cultures, there tends to be less depression, even though a known genetic marker for depression (short allele for a serotonin-transport mechanism) is more prevalent among the population. Meanwhile, even without that genetic marker, people in "ME"-centered cultures tend to have higher rates of depression.

In other words, the idea is that something in the social support elements in the "WE" cultures has a protective effect against what you're referring to as organic depression.

Personally, I think the line between organic and inorganic depression is muddy. Some people have depression that responds well to pharmaceutical treatment and thus probably does have biochemical component, while others do not respond well to that type of treatment, which indicates that their depression most likely does not have its basis in biochemistry. And then there are people who exhibit a partial response, indicating that there are multiple factors at work. But except in cases where someone's biochemistry is REALLY screwed up, cultural and social supports really do seem to have a protective effect, and sometimes a curative one.

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 06/25/13 06:22 PM
the idea is that something in the social support elements in the "WE" cultures has a protective effect against what you're referring to as organic depression.


Or one could say that being a member of a group is therapeutic for someone who has organic depression.

ViaMusica's photo
Tue 06/25/13 06:32 PM
As I said: According to the article being a member of a "WE" culture seems to confer a preventive or therapeutic effect against depression.

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 06/25/13 06:47 PM
Social interaction has a way of mitigating the effect of organic depression. That we all agree about. However, I am not sure if that is the point of the OP.

ViaMusica's photo
Tue 06/25/13 06:50 PM
It certainly seems to me that this is part of what the article is saying. Basically, it says that having strong social networks and both the obligations and expectations of support that go along with that help to prevent depression.

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 06/25/13 06:57 PM

It certainly seems to me that this is part of what the article is saying. Basically, it says that having strong social networks and both the obligations and expectations of support that go along with that help to prevent depression.


Yeah. The expression "more freedom = more depression" is a misinterpretation of study cited in the OP.

ViaMusica's photo
Tue 06/25/13 07:05 PM

Yeah. The expression "more freedom = more depression" is a misinterpretation of study cited in the OP.

Yep; it sure is.

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