Topic: The 1984 "conspiracy theorist" compared to now...
mightymoe's photo
Sat 06/15/13 08:29 AM
Back in 1984, well before most Americans had ever heard of mobile phones or used a computer, the Federal government was hard at work mining whatever data they could get their hands on.

President Reagan was in office and given his staunch stance on limited government no one could possibly have suspected that he, of all people, would be the Commander in Chief presiding over a fledgling surveillance state.

Despite the ignorance of our populace and attempts to keep the American people in the dark, one lone wolf on the floor of the Congress had the prescient insight to understand what was really going on… and where it would one day lead.

He’s one of the original conspiracy theorists… referred to by many is a quack or a nut for his non-mainstream views of government and his constant warnings of tyranny on our doorstep.

Today his ‘theories’ have been proven to be 100% fact.

Watch this short video of Ron Paul recorded on September 6, 1984 and don’t ever say we weren’t warned.

It’s now common knowledge that federal government computers are routinely used to compare lists…

Computer surveillance seems appropriate for 1984, and unfortunately, the wave of the future.



"The irony is that it’s done by an administration that brags about its limited government philosophy.

And the little condemnation we hear comes from those that would involve government in every jot and tittle of our economic lives.

Why is it that it’s so difficult to defend freedom consistently across the board?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dkRu6BctHWk




They were doing it 30 years ago with limited processing capabilities and data storage.

Today, the sky’s the limit.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 06/15/13 09:16 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 06/15/13 09:32 AM

Back in 1984, well before most Americans had ever heard of mobile phones or used a computer, the Federal government was hard at work mining whatever data they could get their hands on.

President Reagan was in office and given his staunch stance on limited government no one could possibly have suspected that he, of all people, would be the Commander in Chief presiding over a fledgling surveillance state.

Despite the ignorance of our populace and attempts to keep the American people in the dark, one lone wolf on the floor of the Congress had the prescient insight to understand what was really going on… and where it would one day lead.

He’s one of the original conspiracy theorists… referred to by many is a quack or a nut for his non-mainstream views of government and his constant warnings of tyranny on our doorstep.

Today his ‘theories’ have been proven to be 100% fact.

Watch this short video of Ron Paul recorded on September 6, 1984 and don’t ever say we weren’t warned.

It’s now common knowledge that federal government computers are routinely used to compare lists…

Computer surveillance seems appropriate for 1984, and unfortunately, the wave of the future.



"The irony is that it’s done by an administration that brags about its limited government philosophy.

And the little condemnation we hear comes from those that would involve government in every jot and tittle of our economic lives.

Why is it that it’s so difficult to defend freedom consistently across the board?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dkRu6BctHWk




They were doing it 30 years ago with limited processing capabilities and data storage.

Today, the sky’s the limit.
and it had been going on for Decades before that!

J.Edgar Hoover ringing a bell?

willing2's photo
Sat 06/15/13 10:02 AM
If'n dis old Redneck 'members his history, Hoover's FBI was the first Law Enforcement agency given the presidential OKAY to start compiling personal info on citizens.

Now-a-days, Hussein gits-ta' terrorize citizens wiff his Patriot Act.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 06/15/13 11:51 AM

If'n dis old Redneck 'members his history, Hoover's FBI was the first Law Enforcement agency given the presidential OKAY to start compiling personal info on citizens.

Now-a-days, Hussein gits-ta' terrorize citizens wiff his Patriot Act.
and Hoover went over and beyond the Call of Duty!pitchfork

no photo
Sat 06/15/13 12:07 PM
There are so many truths that were once conspiracy theories I can't count them.

There will always be conspiracies. And there will always be theorists.

And there will always be people who make fun of conspiracy theories.


Conrad_73's photo
Sat 06/15/13 01:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Act_of_1947

make sure you look at the "Major U.S. Intelligence Reforms" near to the end of the Article!

* National Security Act of 1947 (1947)
* Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (1978)
* National Intelligence Reorganization and Reform Act (1978)
* Patriot Act (2001)
* Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (2004)

U.S. Commissions

* The First Hoover Commission
* The Second Hoover Commission (1953)
* The Rockefeller Commission (1975)
* Aspen-Brown Commission (1995)
* US Commission on National Security/21st Century (2001)
* Weapons of Mass Destruction Commission (2005)

U.S. Committees

* The Church Committee (1976)
* The Pike Committee (1976)

U.S. Executive Orders

* EO 11905 (Ford) (1976)
* EO 12036 (Carter) (1978)
* EO 12333 (Reagan) (1981)
* EO 13470 (G. W. Bush) (2008)

U.S. Investigations

* The Murphey Investigation (1974)
* Iran-Contra Investigation (1987)

U.S. Reports

* Eberstadt Report (1947)
* The Dulles–Jackson–Correa Report (1949)
* The Doolittle Report (1954)
* The Bruce-Lovett Report (1956)
* The Taylor Report (1961)
* The Kirkpatrick Report (1961)
* The Schlesinger Report (1971)
* Clifford/Cline Proposals (1976)
* Boren-McCurdy Proposals (1992)
* IC21 (1996)
* 9/11 Commission Report (2004)


Toodygirl5's photo
Sat 06/15/13 06:24 PM
9/11 Intelligence


Washington (CNN) -- Share and share alike was supposed to have been a lesson learned by federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies from the 9/11 attacks almost 12 years ago.

A new hierarchy was created to draw together all the work done by more than a dozen government organizations including the FBI, CIA and others.

Now, the case of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev has caused some members of Congress, almost all of them Republicans, to suggest continuing problems with what they refer to as stovepiping -- in essence, the failure of different agencies to share what they know.

"I think there's been some stovepipes reconstructed that were probably unintentional," GOP Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia told reporters this week after a briefing by the FBI deputy director. "But we've got to review that again and make sure that there is the free flow of information."


Retracing bombing suspect's radical path
Russia warned U.S. about Tsarnaev
What did Russia know about Tsarnaev?
Risch: FBI investigation 'not shoddy' Late Wednesday, conservative Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire called for a congressional hearing on whether intelligence officials had information that could have nabbed the suspects -- Tsarnaev and his younger brother -- before the Boston attacks.

"Since 9/11, billions of taxpayer dollars have been spent on information-sharing, and Congress has passed sweeping legislation to reorganize our intelligence community to ensure that dots are connected and our intelligence agencies are talking," said a letter by the two senators. "Unfortunately, it does not appear that the money spent or the information sharing environment put into place after 9/11 were useful in apprehending" the alleged bombers.

Russia asked U.S. twice to investigate Tamerlan, official says

Tsarnaev was investigated by the FBI in 2011 on a tip from Russia that the immigrant from the Caucasus region might be shifting toward Islamic extremism.

While cleared of any suspicion of terrorist ties, his name automatically went into at least three federal databases, officials told CNN on Wednesday. Officials confirmed that the CIA also received similar information from Russia a few months later.

Members of Congress want to know why U.S. authorities didn't monitor Tsarnaev more closely in the ensuing two years that included a six-month trip to the volatile Caucasus region, a hotbed of Islamic insurgency, as well as signs of increasing religious extremism.

Republican Rep. Bob Goodlatte of Virginia, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, told CNN on Wednesday that he believed a breakdown in communication occurred between the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees border control, and the FBI.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told legislators on Tuesday that Tsarnaev's departure for Russia in January 2012 pinged "the system," but Goodlatte said that information apparently never made it to the FBI.

"They were not apparently sharing that information," he said. "So the FBI, according to what we now understand, did not know that he was in Russia for six months and and did not follow up on his return. So all of these things lead to more questions about what needs to be done to make sure that these types of things don't happen in the future."

Bombing suspect was in security files, but not on watch lists


no photo
Sat 06/15/13 07:29 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 06/15/13 07:31 PM
The CIA is not part of our government. They work for themselves and foreign special interests. They have no right to demand information from our FBI or anyone else.

They also do not give or share their information to the FBI or anyone else.... so they don't deserve cooperation.


HappyBun's photo
Sun 06/16/13 12:55 AM

There are so many truths that were once conspiracy theories I can't count them.

There will always be conspiracies. And there will always be theorists.

And there will always be people who make fun of conspiracy theories.




Nothing should be accepted as truth until there is total transparency.

HappyBun's photo
Sun 06/16/13 01:01 AM

“Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of the flow of information is the tool of the dictatorship.”


Bruce Coville

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 06/16/13 01:21 AM


“Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of the flow of information is the tool of the dictatorship.”


Bruce Coville

yep,the Aliens DID eat his Homework!

no photo
Sun 06/16/13 11:55 AM


“Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of the flow of information is the tool of the dictatorship.”


Bruce Coville




I bet they hate the Internet. laugh laugh laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 06/16/13 12:09 PM



“Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of the flow of information is the tool of the dictatorship.”


Bruce Coville




I bet they hate the Internet. laugh laugh laugh
why should they?
It is going exactly their way!
Paranoia runs deep among the Populace!