what about Virii?
BTW,that last sentence of yours just threw you out of the Race!

The basic laws of logic, evidence, science, nature and economics reveal religion as a delusion.......Imaginary,...alive only in the minds of "believers". The dogmatic mysticism of religious people does not make sense and actually heavily contradicts itself.
According to William 8 "The Bible is the only honest book, that does not paint an airy fairy idea about God or man." We must be reading different bibles LOL
Religion was created by hut-dwellers thousands of years ago in order to gain power over their fellow human beings. New religions continue to crop up constantly. We know of 2800 "gods" mankind has worshipped over time. William 8 and many others dismiss 2799 gods,except for their one "true" god. According to William 8,"All other beliefs are airy fairy and artsy fartsy."

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than William 8. When he understands why he dismisses all of the other possible gods, he will understand why I dismiss his.

William 8, I am not trying to be mean or single you out, your statements are exemplary of many Christians and are easy to discuss.

And many things throughout science has been "delusional", thus the reason science has changed over the years.

And besides that


Logic - That would be incorrect. "Logic" differs between people, my logic may not be the same as yours, nor yours as another, ect.

Evidence - There is much evidence, heck they even knew the world was round before science did.

Science - Nothing in science is contrary to God. The only thing people don't realize is that science is purely the study and understanding of how God did something and or made it to work.

Nature - How does it go against nature?

Economics - That has absolutely nothing to do with it, God and money have absolutely nothing to do with one another, it is irrelevant. So what's your reason behind mention economics? I'm quite curious.

Good statement in bold.

Religion is a hypnotic cult that puts people in a trance.

Religion is not the only cult or method that is putting people in trance states.

The government and media does it too.

lol you do realize Atheism or any other kind of "belief" is a religion as well right?

Religion
- Details of belief as taught or discussed
- a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

A "religion" isn't purely secluded to gods and things of that nature.

"Belief" does not equal "religion" cowboy.

I do not consider atheism to be a religion. It is more of a movement in resistance to what materialists view as nonsense and beliefs that are held together with blind faith and no science.

These two are straight from the dictionary lol.

- Details of belief as taught or discussed
- a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

The belief in itself may not equate a "religion", but the details therein obviously do.

The word "Religion" typically referrs to a belief in a higher power. Atheists don't believe in a higher power than them self.

Even if YOU want to believe or make that claim that Atheism is a religion, so what? Most people don't agree.

But think what you like. I don't agree.

lol last little tid bit on this as this will take us no where. But it's not specifically what I like lol... it has nothing to do with me here. Take it up with the dictionaries and those that make up the meaning to our words lol.

"Religion" in itself has absolutely NOTHING to do with God, or any higher power. Religion is purely a belief. lol been fun Jeannie. Just most commonly referring to God as that is the most common "belief" on a large scale. But it's not the fact that it's about God that makes it a religion, it's the belief thereof.

G....good
O....orderly
D....direction..

It has to do with YOUR personal understanding.

The 'dictionary' did not say that Atheism is a religion either.
Neither did the dictionary say that a "belief" is a religion. So I have no idea where you get your ideas.

You are confused, but then I've known that for a while.



Seriously? I don't think there would be any religions if it wer not for people's insistence that there is a God.

Yes, religion is a belief... it is a belief in a higher power or God.

You are making the claim that any belief of any kind is a "religion." That is just nonsense.

Many say they have a personal relationship with the son. In the scriptures they have taken away the very personal relationship

they desire so longing for. Yahshua when taken before the Rabbi said Mark 14:62

62 Yahshua said, "I am"
NKJV

What did the Rabbi's do? Mark 14:63-64

63 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "What further need do we have of witnesses? 64 You have heard the blasphemy! What

do you think?"
NKJV


Do you think? What did he Blasphyme?

Ex 20:7

7 "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
NKJV


Yet whats he talking about here?

Transliterate instead of translate this verse and u may see why the High Priest got in a tenzy.

You shall not take the name of Yahweh your Elohim of vain,for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who takes his namein vain.

Not only do we have a commandment if you knowingly break it he will not hold him guiltless. But where did this name come from?

Ex 3:13-14

13 Then Moses said to Elohim, "Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, 'The Elohim of your fathers has sent me

to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?"

14 And Elohim said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel,'I AM has sent me to you.'"
NKJV

wow.. we have I Am Who I Am then Yahweh says I AM has sent you.

See almost all know about Yahshua being the word who was from the beginning. But the 3rd commandment is the easiests to break. At

least a few hundred years after Yahshua died the name of Yahweh was taken out.

Vain means to bring something to nothing.

TO REMOVE, DEPART

nasa' OT:5375, "to remove, depart, carry away." This verb occurs in all Semitic languages including biblical Aramaic and in all

periods of Hebrew. The Bible attests this Hebrew word about 650 times.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

Thiers way more than that about the word vian.

Now the I AM THAT I AM we have
hayah

OT:1961 hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare OT:1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a

mere copula or auxiliary):


KJV - beacon, altogether, be (-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, follow, happen,

have, last, pertain, quit (oneself-), require, use.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft,

Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

hayah

OT:1961 hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare OT:1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a

mere copula or auxiliary):


hayah That hayah both have Yah in them. With THAT in between so what does THAT mean or sound like?

OT:834

OT:834 'asher (ash-er'); a primitive relative pronoun (of every gender and number); who, which, what, that; also (as an adverb and a

conjunction) when, where, how, because, in order that, etc.:


KJV - after, alike, as (soon as), because, every, for, forasmuch, from whence, how (-soever), if, (so) that ([thing] which,

wherein), though, until, whatsoever, when, where (+-as, -in, -of, -on, -soever, -with), which, whilst, whither (-soever), who (-m, -

soever, -se). As it is indeclinable, it is often accompanied by the personal pronoun expletively, used to show the connection.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft,

Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


Interesting Yahshua said the angels in heaven r niether male nor female.


OT:834 'asher (ash-er'); a primitive relative pronoun (of every gender and number)

So the 1st thing it tells us is THAT means of every gender and number .. LIKE ALL OF US.

So we have hayah asher hayah I A THAT I AM.

Now notice what Yahweh ( Yahshua reallly the word) says to Moses about who to say sent him.

14 And Elohim said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel,'I AM has sent me to you.'"
NKJV

He really says who he is. Then says say I AM sent you.

What did Yahshua say he was " I AM" now see why the High Priest got so mad.

I AM THAT I AM means I will be what you need me to be. What every father has ever said and thought when his 1st born was born. Son

I will be whatEVER you need me to be .. You are part of the Family now son. and I will forgive all your sins.. HallelluYah.

Every father thinks that and Yahweh our Father in Heaven has hidden this truth from the world why?

Matt 7:6

6 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine , lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and

tear you in pieces.
NKJV

Thats why and untill this day age it has been just about impossible for anyone to know. Now with the internet everyone is a key

stroke away in thier private closet learning in ways oour forfathers could of only dream of and it was prophecied.. What and this

book is fiction.. who's fairy taling?

Back to Yahshua saying I AM. See he is the son, and the High Priest was not dumb. he knew exactly that know one is so bold to claim

themselves The I AM.

He was scared to Death. shaking in his boots It can not be!!!!

Yah is what he said as his name is also Yah Shua. shua mean salvation Yah is Salvation was/is his name and then saying he is I AM

this meant he was in the burning Bush with Moses and then Yahshua said Before Abraham was I AM. What Blasphemy!

So many proofs. The scriptures are real. So what do we have?

I AM THAT I AM being the father, Then I AM being the son who made the world. and THAT being us.. so what does Yahshua say to Moses

us the High Priests? I will be whatever you need me to be just like a earthly father would to his children at birth.

Wow and you know what. Thats THE BRAINWASHING. yep I admit when I went down in that watery grave when I rose up my Brain was WASHED.

HalleluYah Because My Father has promoiced me at birth that he will be whatever I need him to be. If that Is man made I know of KNOW

greater work than the HolY Scriptures and you should give it praise for that.. Oh Wait a minute Yahweh has forgiven you to in his

mercy. Every time you have ever said HalleluYah you have Praised Yahweh. Everytime you claim that you are I AM you Praise the son. I

say Praise him for ever more.. HallelluYah

Incorrect, Jesus and or "Christianity" is placed in "religion" so that you don't HAVE to believe. Which is the way God wants it I would assume. Because if it was a haft to thing, people wouldn't come to God with a willing heart, with an open loving heart. They would be coming to him under direst. And that's not the way it is. It was man"mankind" that fell from the grace of God and God has offered a way back to having a one on one personal relationship with him walking in his glory if one true heartedly desires it.

In the words of Depak Chopra:

I am that, your are that, all this is that, and that is all there is.

(God is all there is. God is omnipresent.)

I am.