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Topic: If America goes down the road of impeachment
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Fri 05/17/13 12:57 PM
The Coming Impeachment of President Obama
Republicans are just itching for a scandal they can pin to the President. They should think about what happens next.
5/17/2013


Here’s a not-so-modest prediction about the near future of our politics:

• President Obama will be impeached within a year for one (or more) of the current “scandals” buzzing around his administration. Take your pick: Benghazi, the IRS, or the seizure of AP reporter phone records.

• When that happens, Amercia may become completely, finally ungovernable.

Why do I think President Obama will be impeached? Because a not insignificant portion of the GOP base has never accepted his legitimacy to govern. Nearly half of Republicans have believed that Obama was born outside the U.S. (He wasn’t.) Most of them have believed that ACORN stole the 2008 election for him. (It didn’t.) I’m not sure if it’s ever been polled, but it’s also clear that many Republicans have believed that Philly’s New Black Panthers so massively intimidated white voters in the city that Obama was able to steal Pennsylvania’s electoral votes in 2008. (Again, wrong.)

With scandal fever building this week, it may simply be time for Republicans to tap all that raw anger on their side and decide that something President Obama has done—anything, even—rises to the level of an impeachable “high crime” and misdemeanor.

At The American Prospect, writer Jamelle Bouie has long suggested that Obama will be impeached in his second term. He’s sticking to his guns this week:

To a large and influential chunk of the Republican Party, Barack Obama is simply illegitimate. It was the same with Bill Clinton twenty years ago, and it’s likely to be true of any Democrat who wins the presidency. In Obama’s case, it’s why “birtherism” took hold among the conservative base, and it’s why GOP lawmakers have done everything possible to obstruct the actual process of governing, going as far as to block his nominees to the Cabinet—an unprecedented level of obstruction.

Increasingly, the question isn’t “will Republicans try to impeach Obama,” it’s “when will it happen?” If the GOP takes the Senate in next year’s elections, and thus gains control of Congress, don’t be surprised if we begin 2015 with impeachment proceedings against the president. The conservative base wants it, and as we’ve seen over the last four years, that’s all it takes for the Republican Party to act.

If that happens, well, kiss modern American democracy goodbye.

Why? Because impeachment is fundamentally a political process—it’s not directed by independent prosecutors or impartial judges. It occurs in the House of Representatives, where a majority of officeholders owe their jobs (at least in part) to elections in which … they campaigned against the President. Suffice it to say: Not everybody will be voting their conscience. More than a few folks will vote for partisan advantage.

And if Republicans decide to impeach a Democratic president again—the second in a row, after Clinton and the Lewinsky mess—well Democrats are probably going to take it personally. They’ll make an entirely rational political decision that there’s no reason not to obstruct, harass, and yes, impeach every Republican every chance they get. They could’ve impeached Ronald Reagan over Iran-Contra; same, probably, for the first George Bush. Goodness knows, parts of the base were screaming for it during the second Bush Administration. Why show restraint if Republicans won’t?

Which means every new president would start Day One of their administration on an impeachment countdown. With presidents always playing defense and Congress always looking for a reason to bring charges, nothing would get done. How could it?

The result? Perpetual gridlock. The public’s business would never get done. When that happens, government will have failed. It’s happened before in our history—the Founders gathered in Philadelphia and wrote the Constitution rather than live with a weak national government incapable of even paying its own debts.

We’re possibly just two or three short steps from such a scenario playing out. Has President Obama been a perfect president? Nope. Has he committed “high crimes and misdemeansor” worthy of impeachment? Not in the scandals we’ve named here. But there are other considerations. If America goes down the road of impeachment, there will be no going back.

The Coming Impeachment of President Obama
Republicans are just itching for a scandal they can pin to the President. They should think about what happens next.
By Joel Mathis 5/17/2013 Comments 14
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Here’s a not-so-modest prediction about the near future of our politics:

• President Obama will be impeached within a year for one (or more) of the current “scandals” buzzing around his administration. Take your pick: Benghazi, the IRS, or the seizure of AP reporter phone records.

• When that happens, Amercia may become completely, finally ungovernable.

Why do I think President Obama will be impeached? Because a not insignificant portion of the GOP base has never accepted his legitimacy to govern. Nearly half of Republicans have believed that Obama was born outside the U.S. (He wasn’t.) Most of them have believed that ACORN stole the 2008 election for him. (It didn’t.) I’m not sure if it’s ever been polled, but it’s also clear that many Republicans have believed that Philly’s New Black Panthers so massively intimidated white voters in the city that Obama was able to steal Pennsylvania’s electoral votes in 2008. (Again, wrong.)

With scandal fever building this week, it may simply be time for Republicans to tap all that raw anger on their side and decide that something President Obama has done—anything, even—rises to the level of an impeachable “high crime” and misdemeanor.

At The American Prospect, writer Jamelle Bouie has long suggested that Obama will be impeached in his second term. He’s sticking to his guns this week:

To a large and influential chunk of the Republican Party, Barack Obama is simply illegitimate. It was the same with Bill Clinton twenty years ago, and it’s likely to be true of any Democrat who wins the presidency. In Obama’s case, it’s why “birtherism” took hold among the conservative base, and it’s why GOP lawmakers have done everything possible to obstruct the actual process of governing, going as far as to block his nominees to the Cabinet—an unprecedented level of obstruction.

Increasingly, the question isn’t “will Republicans try to impeach Obama,” it’s “when will it happen?” If the GOP takes the Senate in next year’s elections, and thus gains control of Congress, don’t be surprised if we begin 2015 with impeachment proceedings against the president. The conservative base wants it, and as we’ve seen over the last four years, that’s all it takes for the Republican Party to act.

If that happens, well, kiss modern American democracy goodbye.

Why? Because impeachment is fundamentally a political process—it’s not directed by independent prosecutors or impartial judges. It occurs in the House of Representatives, where a majority of officeholders owe their jobs (at least in part) to elections in which … they campaigned against the President. Suffice it to say: Not everybody will be voting their conscience. More than a few folks will vote for partisan advantage.

And if Republicans decide to impeach a Democratic president again—the second in a row, after Clinton and the Lewinsky mess—well Democrats are probably going to take it personally. They’ll make an entirely rational political decision that there’s no reason not to obstruct, harass, and yes, impeach every Republican every chance they get. They could’ve impeached Ronald Reagan over Iran-Contra; same, probably, for the first George Bush. Goodness knows, parts of the base were screaming for it during the second Bush Administration. Why show restraint if Republicans won’t?

Which means every new president would start Day One of their administration on an impeachment countdown. With presidents always playing defense and Congress always looking for a reason to bring charges, nothing would get done. How could it?

The result? Perpetual gridlock. The public’s business would never get done. When that happens, government will have failed. It’s happened before in our history—the Founders gathered in Philadelphia and wrote the Constitution rather than live with a weak national government incapable of even paying its own debts.

We’re possibly just two or three short steps from such a scenario playing out. Has President Obama been a perfect president? Nope. Has he committed “high crimes and misdemeansor” worthy of impeachment? Not in the scandals we’ve named here. But there are other considerations. If America goes down the road of impeachment, there will be no going back.


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Joel Mathis




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Fri 05/17/13 01:11 PM
Nixon got the boot and we survived.

However, his whole house will need to go with him.


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Fri 05/17/13 01:23 PM
http://www.rightwingnews.com/elections-polls/court-rules-election-fraud-got-obama-on-the-ballot-in-2008/

Written By : John Hawkins
April 27, 2013

Democrats keep telling us that there’s no reason to worry about securing the ballot or checking voter ID because fraud happens so seldom that it’s practically inconsequential. Tell that to a jury in Indiana that just ruled both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton only got on the Indiana primary ballot in 2008 because of election fraud.

A jury in South Bend, Indiana has found that fraud put President Obama and Hillary Clinton on the presidential primary ballot in Indiana in the 2008 election. Two Democratic political operatives were convicted Thursday night in the illegal scheme after only three hours of deliberations. They were found guilty on all counts.

Former longtime St. Joseph County Democratic party Chairman Butch Morgan Jr. was found guilty of felony conspiracy counts to commit petition fraud and forgery, and former county Board of Elections worker Dustin Blythe was found guilty of felony forgery counts and falsely making a petition, after being accused of faking petitions that enabled Obama, then an Illinois Senator, to get on the presidential primary ballot for his first run for the White House.

You may be wondering how they pulled this off.

Well, as Rick Nees explained “page after page of signatures (were) all in the same handwriting.” However, nobody picked up on it, “because election workers in charge of verifying their validity were the same people faking the signatures.”

Had a whistleblower not had an attack of conscience, they would have gotten away with it, too. Keep that in mind when Democrats say we can trust everyone to be honest and so we don’t need to take any special steps to protect the integrity of our elections.

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Fri 05/17/13 01:31 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 05/17/13 01:34 PM
I a POTUS could expect to be Impeached if he steps out of line,might turn from an American Caesar back into a responsible Servant of the People again!

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Fri 05/17/13 01:33 PM

In my case, his actions against the constitution, our liberties and freedoms, the bill of rights, and the policies he implements or supports against them...... that's enough for me.

Repulsicons are no better.... they both serve the same masters....banks and corporations!

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Fri 05/17/13 01:41 PM


slaphead

I wish that the people who talk about impeachment would state what impeachment is.

Impeachment is a formal accusation of wrongdoing.
Impeachment by itself does not remove anyone from public office.

I do not believe for one second that the U.S. House of Representatives will vote to impeach President Obama. Instead, all of this talk about impeachment is nothing more than wishful thinking.

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Fri 05/17/13 01:54 PM



slaphead

I wish that the people who talk about impeachment would state what impeachment is.

Impeachment is a formal accusation of wrongdoing.
Impeachment by itself does not remove anyone from public office.

I do not believe for one second that the U.S. House of Representatives will vote to impeach President Obama. Instead, all of this talk about impeachment is nothing more than wishful thinking.

I laid it out once before in the other Thread!
Here it is again!
This time in a better style of writing!



Impeachment in the United States is an expressed power of the legislature that allows for formal charges against a civil officer of government for crimes committed in office. The actual trial on those charges, and subsequent removal of an official on conviction on those charges, is separate from the act of impeachment itself.

Impeachment is analogous to indictment in regular court proceedings, while trial by the other house is analogous to the trial before judge and jury in regular courts. Typically, the lower house of the legislature will impeach the official and the upper house will conduct the trial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States

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Fri 05/17/13 02:01 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 05/17/13 02:02 PM
They're all zombies with a god complex

Crap in one hand and wish for morality in DC in the other.... guess which will actually reward you with results

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Fri 05/17/13 03:07 PM
Will there be a case of The Little Black Dress?

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Fri 05/17/13 06:17 PM




slaphead

I wish that the people who talk about impeachment would state what impeachment is.

Impeachment is a formal accusation of wrongdoing.
Impeachment by itself does not remove anyone from public office.

I do not believe for one second that the U.S. House of Representatives will vote to impeach President Obama. Instead, all of this talk about impeachment is nothing more than wishful thinking.

I laid it out once before in the other Thread!
Here it is again!
This time in a better style of writing!



Impeachment in the United States is an expressed power of the legislature that allows for formal charges against a civil officer of government for crimes committed in office. The actual trial on those charges, and subsequent removal of an official on conviction on those charges, is separate from the act of impeachment itself.

Impeachment is analogous to indictment in regular court proceedings, while trial by the other house is analogous to the trial before judge and jury in regular courts. Typically, the lower house of the legislature will impeach the official and the upper house will conduct the trial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States



Get it right Dodo.

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Fri 05/17/13 06:50 PM
You guys may also want to research chem trails, if any of it is still accessible. These "chemical trails" are being sprayed, causing abnormal weather events, such as the recent ice event in Minnesota, the likes of which, i have never even heard of. There was also the disastrous weather in the north eastern states, causing a major league impact there. Recently, the deadly tornadoes in Texas. One woman tried to bring this to light, and was threatened for it. I could care less if they threaten me, i tell it like it is.

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Fri 05/17/13 06:57 PM
He should be impeached, and a number of senators as well.

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Sat 05/18/13 03:54 AM

Will there be a case of The Little Black Dress?
actually it was blue,and Slick Willy was impeached for lying under Oath,NOT for getting a BJ in the Oval Office!

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Sat 05/18/13 04:15 AM


Will there be a case of The Little Black Dress?
actually it was blue,and Slick Willy was impeached for lying under Oath,NOT for getting a BJ in the Oval Office!
Never mind. Irish humour is a liitle difficult to understand, a lot of people get it.

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Sat 05/18/13 04:22 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 05/18/13 04:25 AM



Will there be a case of The Little Black Dress?
actually it was blue,and Slick Willy was impeached for lying under Oath,NOT for getting a BJ in the Oval Office!
Never mind. Irish humour is a liitle difficult to understand, a lot of people get it.
Thought you were British,now it turns out you be Irish!
Not exactly a surprise,though!Nope,can't say I am surprised at all!rofl

HappyBun's photo
Sat 05/18/13 04:36 AM
Londonderry/Derry is in Ireland. Check it on the map.

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Sat 05/18/13 08:47 AM

Londonderry/Derry is in Ireland. Check it on the map.


Must be close to Belfast laugh

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Sat 05/18/13 09:29 AM
Two or three steps from empeachment? Sounds serious.....

Why not 5 or 8 steps?

Suppose you got your wish and he got throwed in jail....being the first black president ..I am sure everyone in prison would kick his *** ...

Wait...no they wouldn't...they would want his autograph.

Ask how Clinton's empeachment went

Toodygirl5's photo
Sat 05/18/13 09:56 AM

Two or three steps from empeachment? Sounds serious.....

Why not 5 or 8 steps?

Suppose you got your wish and he got throwed in jail....being the first black president ..I am sure everyone in prison would kick his *** ...

Wait...no they wouldn't...they would want his autograph.

Ask how Clinton's empeachment went


huh


Who said I wanted anyone impeached! This is just another "Article"
Posted.

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Sat 05/18/13 10:07 AM
People keep forgetting the impeachment-prevention insurance that Pres. Obama has: Joe Biden. laugh

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