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Topic: Commentary on Capitalism Anyone?
valtheponytail35's photo
Mon 09/15/14 12:56 PM
Edited by valtheponytail35 on Mon 09/15/14 01:01 PM

I'd like for these pro-Marx people try living in an anti-capitalist nation. I hear that Venezuela is nice this time of year.


I'ts not that bad living in an anti-capitalist country (not Venezuela, i know nothing about venezuela). Its not a great life in terms of buying things and living for shopping. but its definitely not the hell on earth.

One of the most annoying things was constant propaganda though. Not that anyone actually believed it. But it became like a wallpaper- its everywhere in the house and yet you barely notice it, much less pay attention to.

Funny thing is that while Soviet people learned to just shrug off the anti-western propaganda and now none of the former soviets even talks about it or remeber it, then anti-communist propaganda in western world is still very much alive today. still so much time gets wasted condemning the dead. Seems almost like without the common enemy R.I.P , world is lost... or something

Edit: ok I was over-generalizing, sure some formers still have hard time letting the old go. As regimes changed to capitalists along with them came lots of new laws including the need to learn your new country's language, which believe it or not is not actually russian anywhere but in russia. and other things as well. job market was also changing beyong any reckognition... so i'ts understandable that some folks with russian background who now live in rapidly westernizing and quite anti-russian countries, cannot cope and keep replaying their old memories as "in soviet time we had better"

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 09/15/14 01:57 PM


I'd like for these pro-Marx people try living in an anti-capitalist nation. I hear that Venezuela is nice this time of year.


I'ts not that bad living in an anti-capitalist country (not Venezuela, i know nothing about venezuela). Its not a great life in terms of buying things and living for shopping. but its definitely not the hell on earth.

One of the most annoying things was constant propaganda though. Not that anyone actually believed it. But it became like a wallpaper- its everywhere in the house and yet you barely notice it, much less pay attention to.

Funny thing is that while Soviet people learned to just shrug off the anti-western propaganda and now none of the former soviets even talks about it or remeber it, then anti-communist propaganda in western world is still very much alive today. still so much time gets wasted condemning the dead. Seems almost like without the common enemy R.I.P , world is lost... or something

Edit: ok I was over-generalizing, sure some formers still have hard time letting the old go. As regimes changed to capitalists along with them came lots of new laws including the need to learn your new country's language, which believe it or not is not actually russian anywhere but in russia. and other things as well. job market was also changing beyong any reckognition... so i'ts understandable that some folks with russian background who now live in rapidly westernizing and quite anti-russian countries, cannot cope and keep replaying their old memories as "in soviet time we had better"

Capitalism is first and foremost an Economic,not a political System!
To call any Country existing today as Capitalist,is insulting Capitalism!laugh

valtheponytail35's photo
Mon 09/15/14 02:18 PM




Capitalism is first and foremost an Economic,not a political System!
To call any Country existing today as Capitalist,is insulting Capitalism!laugh


I don't give a fck how to call the countries. No country changes because I suddenly found a proper label. It sure as hell wasnt what you might call a western model. I think its pointless to challenge people to go and live outside the 'safe comfy west' in some "anti-capitalist" country to experience its horrors first hand. USSR as a political entity collapsed, but people remained and there are lot of them out there now who have the first hand experience how it feels. Even better, they now have the experience of both- west and east. Do you?

no photo
Fri 10/03/14 03:23 AM

Anybody else a big fan of Karl Marx? I don't mean to refer to his thoughts on Communism (which the educated reader knows is a phrase he only uses sparingly throughout his career.. seriously people stop associating Marx with Russian / Cuban Communism and Stalin / Castro, they're completely different), but rather his infamous critique on Capitalism in Das Kapital and other writings.

To me, Karl Marx's analysis is one of the best explanations for how the world actually works; capitalism, a system of exchange, entrepreneurship, and exploitation (you can't have a capitalistic mode of production without a increasingly exploitative relationship between haves and have-nots)extends far beyond the realm of finance and economy into the very manner in which we interact with people, or, going further, even the way we conceptualize history and the world (one of the reasons why we can't see a reality outside of a capitalistic one).

Anywho, any thoughts or other Marx fans out there? It's been too long since I've had some intellectual conversation about how the world works lol

Karl Marx provided the principles for the Communist Manifesto. He was Jewish, then Christian, and then either became an atheist or a satanist.

One of the things that has gone down the memory hole is that Marx was also a failed mathematician. He wrote an absolutely hilarious proof that a sequence of continuous functions must converge to a continuous limit function [it does not.] His proof involves appeals to "forces of nature," which even by the standards of the early nineteenth century were not considered rigorous. So he decided to become a "philosopher" instead. From time-to-time Russian and the occasional Chinese mathematician tried to argue that he was "essentially correct." Eventually they decided it was probably better not to talk about his mathematical career at all.

Capitalism has not changed its crisis-prone nature since Marx’s time. It is in the context of crises, however, that the centralization and concentration of capital creates significant problems for a capitalist economy. First, the bankruptcy of a major firm, or of a major industry, becomes much more costly. There is the greater possibility that the collapse of a large corporation, or several significant players within a particular industry, will bring the rest of a national economy, if not the global economy, into severe crisis. It is still doomed to make the lot of the working class more unstable, insecure and miserable. Indeed, the promises made by the ideologists of capitalism have not been fulfilled for billions of people around the world. If anything, crisis has ensured that the opposite is true, as working people in countries from Argentina to Korea to the United States can attest. For Marx the only solution was economic planning–socialism.



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Fri 10/03/14 05:06 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 10/03/14 05:05 AM
Marx was a Fraud,and the consummate Moocher!

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14535.html

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14536.html


http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14537.html

^^^^This part is quite interesting!

http://mises.org/daily/6179/Marxs-Path-to-Communism

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Fri 10/24/14 09:08 PM
Edited by robinbad on Fri 10/24/14 09:11 PM

Anybody else a big fan of Karl Marx? I don't mean to refer to his thoughts on Communism (which the educated reader knows is a phrase he only uses sparingly throughout his career.. seriously people stop associating Marx with Russian / Cuban Communism and Stalin / Castro, they're completely different), but rather his infamous critique on Capitalism in Das Kapital and other writings.

To me, Karl Marx's analysis is one of the best explanations for how the world actually works; capitalism, a system of exchange, entrepreneurship, and exploitation (you can't have a capitalistic mode of production without a increasingly exploitative relationship between haves and have-nots)extends far beyond the realm of finance and economy into the very manner in which we interact with people, or, going further, even the way we conceptualize history and the world (one of the reasons why we can't see a reality outside of a capitalistic one).

Anywho, any thoughts or other Marx fans out there? It's been too long since I've had some intellectual conversation about how the world works lol


I like the idea of Communism which is an economic system, not political one. This economic system cares of basic human rights. The basic human rights are:
1. Right to a job, no matter what education level or no education at all you have, you have right to a job.
2. Right to a free education at any age. You study what you like.
3. Right to a free health care, no matter how much money you make.
4. Right to a free housing. No one should live on the streets. We do not talk about mansions, just housing, roof over your head.

In Capitalism these are not considered human rights and it is bad.
Now where we can get money for all these free services? From the government. The government should work and cr�ate Jobs as a private sector does - build space craft, cars,ships, etc.

What Communism in Russia and Cuba was missing is the Right to Your Own Buisness. People should have right to their own business. And the private sector should compete with the governmental sector of economy. The best solution is Communism + Capitalism. Stop wars blaming other countries, and stop all spending on military.

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Fri 10/24/14 11:00 PM
for we can SEE CLEARLY if we see that we stand upon the shoulders of giants, of ALL that did come before us, deeming all as having equal validity of insight, and then adding all insight of all together for the total sum of any good, not being small minded as biased toward one or some as more intelligent or knowing or wise, such being equally defined as a follower of cult or sect extremest beliefs, but rather seeing we our self are giants as well as ALL our predecessors.

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