Topic: Mysterious energy discovered in thunderclouds
mightymoe's photo
Sat 04/27/13 08:41 AM
Central Floridians are no strangers to violent thunderstorms, living in the lightning capital of the country.

But now scientists have discovered an exotic and dynamic form of energy lurking in the thunderclouds above: dark lightning.

Scientists at the Florida Institute of Technology on the Space Coast are traveling the world explaining the mysterious bursts of energy in the atmosphere during lightning storms that emit little visible light.

According to scientist Joseph Dwyer and his colleagues, space telescopes - looking for high-energy bursts from solar flares, black holes and exploding stars - detected strange, bright bursts but had no idea where they originated.

The phenomenon occurs high in the atmosphere at nearly the same altitude as commercial airline flights. The radiation dark lightning produces is about 100 times more potent than an X-ray.

"What's kind of cool is that what we're talking about sounds like science fiction - but this stuff is really happening inside thunderstorms," said Dwyer, who spoke with the Orlando Sentinel from Vienna, where he presented his research at a meeting of the European Geosciences Union. "It's happening right over our heads."

Normal lightning occurs when clouds pregnant with positive and negative charges build up and create an electric field. When those charges separate, they discharge huge amounts of energy suddenly and cause a hot, bright, incandescent spark.

It's like rubbing your feet on a rug and touching a metal doorknob. Zap!

Dark lightning is another kind of discharge humans can't see. If our eyes were sensitive enough, we might see a bluish-purple glow emanating from the clouds.

An electric field emerges just as it does for lightning. But under the right conditions, dark lightning produces a kilometre-wide explosion of electrons and their antimatter equivalent, positrons - the power source for starship Enterprise.

Those particles collide with air molecules at nearly the speed of light, shooting streams of gamma rays and radio waves into space.

If a plane is flying through a thunderstorm, dark lightning could produce radiation comparable to what a human receives during a full body CT scan or 10 chest X-rays.

It can be hazardous, but most pilots avoid thunderclouds at all costs. Dwyer says it's not worth losing sleep over: the likelihood of getting a dose of dark lightning radiation is low.

"This is not a reason to avoid flying," Dwyer said.

Dark lightning is less frequent but more powerful than regular lightning.

The continuous collisions of positrons, electrons and air molecules emitting gamma rays mean thunderstorms act like natural particle accelerators.

Scientists use particle accelerators in their research to create electromagnetic fields to find answers to basic questions about the structure and origins of the universe. An older television's cathode-ray tube - which enables you to see images on the monitor - is an example of one.

Because scientists have only begun to understand the phenomenon, there is still a lot they don't know

servanteternal's photo
Tue 04/30/13 02:20 PM
It's still amazes me to know that we're still learning new things about what's practically right outside our homes.

mightymoe's photo
Wed 05/01/13 02:00 PM

It's still amazes me to know that we're still learning new things about what's practically right outside our homes.


it's the one constant thing we all do in life, learning... we never stop
drinker

metalwing's photo
Wed 05/01/13 03:32 PM
I wonder how they show up on a storm scope.

Winlei's photo
Wed 05/01/13 04:11 PM
How can they even so sure that it emits dark lightning? Does this so called dark lightning strikes for once? How could they tell that its altitude is same as the altitude of a flying plane unless the observation takes place above the ground. Do you think a plane would go through that dark clouds where the so called dark lightning is forming.

oldhippie1952's photo
Wed 05/01/13 04:15 PM
I've seen videos on the Science channel of these 'backward' lightnings, shot from the International Space Station. Very pretty and cool looking, but I wouldn't want to be standing in the middle of one.

metalwing's photo
Thu 05/02/13 04:34 PM
Edited by metalwing on Thu 05/02/13 04:35 PM

How can they even so sure that it emits dark lightning? Does this so called dark lightning strikes for once? How could they tell that its altitude is same as the altitude of a flying plane unless the observation takes place above the ground. Do you think a plane would go through that dark clouds where the so called dark lightning is forming.


Some planes (called hurricane chasers) fly through the worst of storms. Many commercial planes do too but not often and usually just to make a landing without too much delay. Usually, the lightning doesn't do much, if any, damage.


Winlei's photo
Thu 05/02/13 04:58 PM


How can they even so sure that it emits dark lightning? Does this so called dark lightning strikes for once? How could they tell that its altitude is same as the altitude of a flying plane unless the observation takes place above the ground. Do you think a plane would go through that dark clouds where the so called dark lightning is forming.


Some planes (called hurricane chasers) fly through the worst of storms. Many commercial planes do too but not often and usually just to make a landing without too much delay. Usually, the lightning doesn't do much, if any, damage.



Huh? It may not be harm but theres still have an effect when lightning strikes. I recall when i was still studying then lightning hit the lightning rod. It shook our building. How much more to a plane that is manipulated by engine and no strong foundation.

mattyb4424's photo
Fri 05/03/13 01:29 AM
Who said you need to be in a classroom to learn

no photo
Sat 05/04/13 08:07 AM
Edited by miticoman on Sat 05/04/13 08:08 AM
Perhaps the path of mankind knowledge is running on the wrong way, it is true that the laws of physics, known by man, have no value in space, it is also true that the energies known and used by humans are destroying the planet, so the human science is almost intelligent

mightymoe's photo
Mon 05/06/13 08:33 AM

Perhaps the path of mankind knowledge is running on the wrong way, it is true that the laws of physics, known by man, have no value in space, it is also true that the energies known and used by humans are destroying the planet, so the human science is almost intelligent



thats kind of what the guy that built the Coral Castle said... something about scientists are looking at gravity all wrong, that there are 3 influences... positive, negative, and things in between...

http://www.crystalinks.com/coralcastle.html