Or how about an intelligent consciousness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=4dWimXdtzWs

Yeah another creationist pseudoscience video.I like how the guy says "It's impossible" funny thing it is possible cause it happened.Next.

Scientific theory number 167,806,783,203: people who believe in evolution are Boeing 747s. Got it!

actually,the Theory of Evolution makes no claim as to the Origin of Life!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

The human body itself is made up of inorganic and organic matter.We have more bacteria than cells in our bodies.Our bodies are made up of amino acids which convert to protein.We have living microscopic organisms all over us.Yet an imaginary being made man from dust?
We are made up of organic molecules that exist all over the universe.We are made up of hydrogen bonding molecules.Nitrogen bonding molecules.Most of all life is made up of the same chemical elements.
The origins of life is from prebiotic synthesis.

I should have illustrated my sarcasm with a little more tongue.

No, I was not trying to say evolution claims specific terms of origins, though there are a few vague, but well known theories.

I was being sarcastic and making fun of yet one more scientific theory; one that ironically and allegedly disproves evolution once and for all.

Likening evolving cells and organisms over tens of thousands to possibly several billions of years to a tornado building a 747 as it passes is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a while.

I don't think evolution needs to be "disproved" but it sure needs to be improved.

I also did not say I agree with everything in this video either.

But there are some materialists who do believe that evolution explains the origin of life. It doesn't. Evolution does not even stretch the surface in explaining why we exist, why we are here or how we changed from a prehistoric pre-human to the modern humans we are today in such record time.

We are nothing like any of the pre-humans that they claim we "evolved from."

All the information for existence is in the DNA.

No one stated that "an imaginary being made man from dust" in this thread.

I find it odd that people can't open their minds to something besides the two competing theories of "God created us" vs. "Evolution." Both of these theories are woefully lacking.



Oh gee, well that sure explains it all.

I actually was not going to get into a big discussion about this...which is why I originally only made a slight funny about the tornado comparison. I'm not sure how, but my stupid joke obviously stirred something, so I will engage if you want.


I agree 100% and personally don't believe this video comes anywhere near to "collapsing" any evolution theory as it claims.


I'm confused. I don't know what I said to indicate that I thought you do. I make a point of not assuming things. Sorry if you thought that.



I also believe that evolution is the closest scientific direction within our grasp to explain the origin of life. I don't stand by it as any kind of absolute, however, because I realize we know about as much about life as a splash in the ocean.

But I don't believe that this video, or our inability to reproduce life from a cell...yet, prove anything but that we probably have a long way to go before we really understand anything at all.


My understanding is that we share genes...but no more than we share genes with every other living mammal.

While our DNA is different from our newest "pre human" link, they HAVE been shown to share about 5% of the same DNA as native New Guineas. That alone will not allow me to state that we are "nothing" like them.

Considering that we know DNA mutates at a much faster rate than genes, and given how little experienced we are, of yet, with the study of DNA mutation over the 50,000 year period that spans that race with our own, I would say we really know very little about it to conclusively state anything yet.

Right?

I'm not claiming anything about evolution,evolution is both fact and theory i'm giving what i accept as the origins of life prebiotic synthesis.Evolution is the diversity of species.I accept evolution as fact and theory It's fact cause it's empirical.Theories are used to explain how it happened to become a fact.
When someone mentions intelligent design it's a foundation of what creationist call science.So in other words ID is a pseudoscience creationist use to cover up the word god.So they can try to put it in schools.
There's nothing to be open minded about science shows that there's no need for a deity or "intelligent designer" for the origins of life or the universe.
Anyone can wishful think but that's their choice.

Science does not show that there is "no need for a deity or intelligent designer." If they did, then you could state that there is scientific proof that God or this "designer" does not exist.

All that can be said is "We have no evidence that a designer exists."

But even that is a weak statement because they lack so much knowledge of how things work or the true nature of the universe.

Reality itself is called "The grand illusion." And Einstein even said that "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a persistent one."

So everything we think we know may only apply to this particular vacuum (universal bubble) we find ourselves in.

Truth is, we don't know how we got here.

Was Albert around when mtDNA and RNA became a lot more knowledgeable?No.
Science puts god as unknowable because there's absolutely no physical evidence or any empirical evidence of a god or gods existing.
It's just a suggestion of ancient writings.
Science has theories but not 100% facts on the origins of the universe or life.I just take the rational path not the supernatural path.

What scientists do is observe and report.

("This does this and then this happens. Combine this with this and this happens. etc."} They observe and report, and sometimes they figure out a way to explain why things happen.

But material scientists are still confounded by the quantum world and they can't quite figure out how it relates to and effects the macro world.

In the quantum world, the act of observing something changes it. But in the macro world, we all know that when we stop observing the moon it still exists.

Of course it does. Because consciousness is observing it. Consciousness is the thing that connects everything in this reality. Everything exists within consciousness. In short, consciousness is "God" and all things exist within it. All things arise from it.

A single atom contains DNA with all the information needed to create an entire universe with every conceivable living creature you can imagine in it. There is no such thing as a 'simple' cell. A cell is loaded with information.

That information comes from its connection to consciousness.

Darwin was not around when we had knowledge of DNA either, but his theory concerned evolution, not the nature of reality.

Even with the knowledge that Einstein had, he had it right, and his observations was about the speed of light, time and space.

Science has no evidence of consciousness existing either, but they KNOW WE ALL HAVE IT.

If by "rational path" you mean the materialistic objective perspective of the universe, then that "rational" path will never lead to the knowledge or realization of the true nature of reality.

But physicists like David Bohm was on the right path, and it was not at all "super natural." Just a bit mind boggling.

But the only way to find the truth or discover the true nature of reality one has to step beyond the objective perceived universe.

If you take eternity into consideration which is a timeless concept, and imagine the existence of anything at all within this length of "time" we call "forever" then the amount of information that can accumulate is infinite and hard to imagine.

The information contained in a stran of DNA is so vast and detailed, the billions of years of 'evolution' on this small planet in this vast universe is not near enough time to have gathered and put into order these kinds of instructions for life.

It has also been hypothesized that bacteria containing DNA travels through space on bodies like asteroids depositing this information throughout the universe.

Where then did this information come from within this vacuum we call our universe? I believe it came from what, so far, I can only call a conscious field of some kind. A living consciousness that is shared throughout the universe.

Atoms make up DNA there is no DNA in atoms.DNA is in living organisms.Atoms make up the elements and compounds required for living organisms to exist.So in others words inorganic subatomic and fundamental particles are the origins of life.Once again prebiotic synthesis is the origins of life.

My mistake. DNA is not inside of an atom.

But you still have not convinced me that inorganic subatomic and fundamental particles are the origins of life-- unless you are saying that they are already alive to begin with.

Do you consider them to be alive to begin with?

If not, then at what point of mixing these formulas does life suddenly emerge?

My understanding is that we share genes...but no more than we share genes with every other living mammal.

While our DNA is different from our newest "pre human" link, they HAVE been shown to share about 5% of the same DNA as native New Guineas. That alone will not allow me to state that we are "nothing" like them.

Considering that we know DNA mutates at a much faster rate than genes, and given how little experienced we are, of yet, with the study of DNA mutation over the 50,000 year period that spans that race with our own, I would say we really know very little about it to conclusively state anything yet.
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If your interested there's some sites that have lot of info on haplogroups.