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No matter how well intentioned, life does not always allow us to keep promises. I try not to make them too often. I promise I will try my hardest or do my best is the closest to a promise I can give anyone. And that's all you can expect from anyone else.
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Edited by
DaySinner
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Sat 03/02/13 07:13 PM
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If I make a promise without intending to make the world match my words, then I am a fraud. Actually, this is a good point. But what I'm trying to say is that I have known people to use the word "promise" in their sentence without intending to make a promise and without the intent to deceive. That's all I mean. |
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This thread has promises as it's aim. Specifically, I'd like to discuss and/or debate whether or not one ought keep a promise if they make one and why or why not it is or is not the case that they ought. To begin, we must first have a good idea of what a promise consists of... A promise consists in the performance of a speech act. During such an act, a speaker overtly expresses an intention to perform some future action. 'I promise to do X' always means that the promisor intends to do X. This holds good regardless of whether or not the promisor intends to do X. Of course, in these cases s/he is lying. If a promise is being made and the promisor does not intend to keep the promise as they're making it, then s/he is knowingly and deliberately misrepresenting their own thought/belief on the matter. That would be to say... 'I promise to do X, but I do not intend to do X' The above is not self-contradictory. If that sounds odd then you're in good company, because it sounds odd to most folk. However, sounding odd does not make it self-contradictory. Let's look at this a bit closer, by separating the conjunction into it's basic sentences... 'I promise to do X' 'I do not intend to do X' These two sentences can be true without the speaker contradicting him/herself. It offends our moral sensibility, but the statements are consistent with a situation where the promisor is being insincere. Thus, in cases like this the second sentence is not spoken aloud, but rather it is privately known and kept secret during the speech act. The question is why does this offend our moral sensibility? There are many reasons for our being offended I would suppose. As many reasons as there are connections to be made. I wonder though if there is/are some basic fundamental reason(s) that underwite all of the specific ones. To your question, "why does this offend our moral sensibility"... Philosophically speaking, there is no basis for your statement of question because the best you can do is assume that when people claim to be offended they are telling the truth... and to the question, "I wonder if there is/are basic fundamental reason(s) that underwrite all of the specific ones"... There is just one... And again, I'm speaking philosophically...When a promise is made, intention (spoken or unspoken) is negated....What people deem morally good or bad is not usually a matter of opinion, so when that same promise is broken there is a moral obligation to feel offended... |
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What???
Because all we can do is assume folk are honest about being offended, it means that there is no philosophical basis for asking why folk are offended. |
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I'm old school my word is my bond.If you say it do it otherwise say maybe.
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If I make a promise without intending to make the world match my words, then I am a fraud. Actually, this is a good point. But what I'm trying to say is that I have known people to use the word "promise" in their sentence without intending to make a promise and without the intent to deceive. That's all I mean. Hmm. What does that look like? |
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If I make a promise without intending to make the world match my words, then I am a fraud. Actually, this is a good point. But what I'm trying to say is that I have known people to use the word "promise" in their sentence without intending to make a promise and without the intent to deceive. That's all I mean. Hmm. What does that look like? an excuse for careless speech and not keeping ones word |
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No matter how well intentioned, life does not always allow us to keep promises. I try not to make them too often. I promise I will try my hardest or do my best is the closest to a promise I can give anyone. And that's all you can expect from anyone else. I agree there can be obstacles to keeping promises in the immediate present, but there should also be explanations and conversations therabout. I have had to "break" promises also but I try to replace them with an alternative. I seldomn make them also. |
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Edited by
DaySinner
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Sun 03/03/13 10:35 AM
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If I make a promise without intending to make the world match my words, then I am a fraud. Actually, this is a good point. But what I'm trying to say is that I have known people to use the word "promise" in their sentence without intending to make a promise and without the intent to deceive. That's all I mean. Hmm. What does that look like? Here is a better example of what I was talking about... "Hello friend, would you lend me some money?" "What for?" "I want to play the lottery. I promise I'll give you all my winnings, ha ha" (I promise to do X is explicitly stated) "yeah, whatever, here is the money..." So you have the borrower making a verbal promise without intending to make a promise and without intending to deceive the lender. They both understand that the promise is just a joke. In this case, "I promise to do X" does not mean the "I intend to do x" nor does it mean that I am deliberately trying to deceive the listener, because we both know it's a joke. I thought you might want to consider this case because kidding around is an important part of relationships. Ironically, kidding around can also cause the greatest harm when it effects miscommunication. |
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If I make a promise without intending to make the world match my words, then I am a fraud. Actually, this is a good point. But what I'm trying to say is that I have known people to use the word "promise" in their sentence without intending to make a promise and without the intent to deceive. That's all I mean. Hmm. What does that look like? Here is a better example of what I was talking about... "Hello friend, would you lend me some money?" "What for?" "I want to play the lottery. I promise I'll give you all my winnings, ha ha" (I promise to do X is explicitly stated) "yeah, whatever, here is the money..." So you have the borrower making a verbal promise without intending to make a promise and without intending to deceive the lender. They both understand that the promise is just a joke. In this case, "I promise to do X" does not mean the "I intend to do x" nor does it mean that I am deliberately trying to deceive the listener, because the listener knows I'm joking. I thought you might want to consider this case because kidding around is an important part of relationships. Ironically, kidding around can also cause the greatest harm when it effects miscommunication. that is a verbal financial contract that the borrower could be sued for. |
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Promises are done freely anymore..without thought to consequences. The future can not be predicted.
I see promises hurt people more than please. That is my observation. |
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If I make a Promise, I try to keep that Promise. I rarely make Promises because I try and honor a Promise if I make one. Unless something really prevents me from keeping it. I am known as a trusted friend and that is rare these days to find a truly trusted friend. IMO ditto, toody. |
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If I make a promise without intending to make the world match my words, then I am a fraud. Actually, this is a good point. But what I'm trying to say is that I have known people to use the word "promise" in their sentence without intending to make a promise and without the intent to deceive. That's all I mean. Hmm. What does that look like? Here is a better example of what I was talking about... "Hello friend, would you lend me some money?" "What for?" "I want to play the lottery. I promise I'll give you all my winnings, ha ha" (I promise to do X is explicitly stated) "yeah, whatever, here is the money..." So you have the borrower making a verbal promise without intending to make a promise and without intending to deceive the lender. They both understand that the promise is just a joke. In this case, "I promise to do X" does not mean the "I intend to do x" nor does it mean that I am deliberately trying to deceive the listener, because we both know it's a joke. I thought you might want to consider this case because kidding around is an important part of relationships. Ironically, kidding around can also cause the greatest harm when it effects miscommunication. One can vocalize the sounds of a meaningful utterance without having performed a speech act. Mimicing without knowing the meaning of the words for example. Just pointing out that saying "I promise..." doesn't always constitute making a promise. Per your example... If one says "I promise" and has no intention of making the world match the words, and both the speaker and the listener know that the utterance was said in joking, then there has been no promise made. Part of the speech act of promising is the perlocutionary effect/affect that the act has upon the listener, expecting the promisor to keep their word. Another part is the promisor's intention to make the world match the words. Things like this are what distinguish promises from the sounds that comprise their audible element. |
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Edited by
DaySinner
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Mon 03/04/13 08:53 PM
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I understand now that we do not need to consider joking as we agree it is not a "performance of speech act."
promising 'X' without intending to do 'X' Why does this offend our moral sensibility? I think it's because it violates trust. Without trust it is hard to know how to go about getting anything accomplished in a cooperative. More fundamentally, I think that promising 'X' without intending to do 'X' subverts societal order by breaking down the cooperative mechanism in whole. |
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