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Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Fri 12/14/12 12:38 PM Edited by Bestinshow on Fri 12/14/12 12:43 PM
n order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy. You only have to know two things. One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs. It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/09/11/the-11th-anniversary-911-paul-craig-roberts/ Funny how Roberts decries the absence of Experts,yet arrogates himself the position of an "Expert"! Another goofy CT! Roberts is just another idiot who watched too many movies. The logic is totally sound what is illogical is that after the one of the largest failures in history why an investigation was not demanded by the powers that be and not begged for by the victims families. Yes the huge failure no one held accountable a half hearted investigation so sloppy even the authors of the report claim it was a white wash, yet somehow they "goofy CT's" Its just so predictable that our mingle members from counties other than the US are the first to mock a totally logical article. Here are Mr Roberts credentials. aul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939) is an American economist and a columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics.[1] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service who has testified before congressional committees on 30 occasions on issues of economic policy. Roberts has written extensively that during the 21st century the Bush and Obama administrations have destroyed the US Constitution's protections of Americans' civil liberties, such as habeas corpus and due process in the name of "the war on terror." Roberts has been a critic of both Democratic and Republican administrations. Roberts has compared supporters of George W. Bush to "brownshirts with the same low intelligence and morals as Hitler's enthusiastic supporters." He has opposed the War on Drugs and the War on Terror stating it has "made widows and orphans of millions of Muslims". Roberts is a critic of Israel's policy toward Gaza "the world's largest concentration camp" populated by people who were "driven out of Palestine so that Israel could steal their land." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts It seems the reality is he has a fine mind with a good education and work history. Lets hear your credentials those who are so quick to mock.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Fri 12/14/12 10:36 PM Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Fri 12/14/12 10:51 PM
n order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy. You only have to know two things. One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs. It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/09/11/the-11th-anniversary-911-paul-craig-roberts/ Funny how Roberts decries the absence of Experts,yet arrogates himself the position of an "Expert"! Another goofy CT! Roberts is just another idiot who watched too many movies. The logic is totally sound what is illogical is that after the one of the largest failures in history why an investigation was not demanded by the powers that be and not begged for by the victims families. Yes the huge failure no one held accountable a half hearted investigation so sloppy even the authors of the report claim it was a white wash, yet somehow they "goofy CT's" Its just so predictable that our mingle members from counties other than the US are the first to mock a totally logical article. Here are Mr Roberts credentials. aul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939) is an American economist and a columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics.[1] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service who has testified before congressional committees on 30 occasions on issues of economic policy. Roberts has written extensively that during the 21st century the Bush and Obama administrations have destroyed the US Constitution's protections of Americans' civil liberties, such as habeas corpus and due process in the name of "the war on terror." Roberts has been a critic of both Democratic and Republican administrations. Roberts has compared supporters of George W. Bush to "brownshirts with the same low intelligence and morals as Hitler's enthusiastic supporters." He has opposed the War on Drugs and the War on Terror stating it has "made widows and orphans of millions of Muslims". Roberts is a critic of Israel's policy toward Gaza "the world's largest concentration camp" populated by people who were "driven out of Palestine so that Israel could steal their land." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts It seems the reality is he has a fine mind with a good education and work history. Lets hear your credentials those who are so quick to mock. He's an idiot and where I come from is irrelevant, so, if you don't mind, please refrain from such childish asides. I have no patience for some of the puerile tactics evinced on this site any longer. If you choose to believe his rubbish, then be my jest. I don't give a flying **** what you believe and your uneducated opinion is of no importance to me whatsoever. Paul Craig Roberts is a nitwit, and you're at liberty to admire him all you like. Btw, arguing from authority is a logical fallacy. You should really have a look at what constitutes a logical fallacy, as you utilise (note: spelling )them repeatedly.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 12/15/12 12:38 AM
n order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy. You only have to know two things. One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs. It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/09/11/the-11th-anniversary-911-paul-craig-roberts/ Funny how Roberts decries the absence of Experts,yet arrogates himself the position of an "Expert"! Another goofy CT! Roberts is just another idiot who watched too many movies. The logic is totally sound what is illogical is that after the one of the largest failures in history why an investigation was not demanded by the powers that be and not begged for by the victims families. Yes the huge failure no one held accountable a half hearted investigation so sloppy even the authors of the report claim it was a white wash, yet somehow they "goofy CT's" Its just so predictable that our mingle members from counties other than the US are the first to mock a totally logical article. Here are Mr Roberts credentials. aul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939) is an American economist and a columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics.[1] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service who has testified before congressional committees on 30 occasions on issues of economic policy. Roberts has written extensively that during the 21st century the Bush and Obama administrations have destroyed the US Constitution's protections of Americans' civil liberties, such as habeas corpus and due process in the name of "the war on terror." Roberts has been a critic of both Democratic and Republican administrations. Roberts has compared supporters of George W. Bush to "brownshirts with the same low intelligence and morals as Hitler's enthusiastic supporters." He has opposed the War on Drugs and the War on Terror stating it has "made widows and orphans of millions of Muslims". Roberts is a critic of Israel's policy toward Gaza "the world's largest concentration camp" populated by people who were "driven out of Palestine so that Israel could steal their land." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts It seems the reality is he has a fine mind with a good education and work history. Lets hear your credentials those who are so quick to mock. yep,he has all that,and besides those "Qualifications",does he have an Engineering Background? Nope,actually he is a Batty as a Loon! TRUTHER,or shall I say,another TWOOFER?!

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sat 12/15/12 08:15 AM
n order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy. You only have to know two things. One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs. It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/09/11/the-11th-anniversary-911-paul-craig-roberts/ Funny how Roberts decries the absence of Experts,yet arrogates himself the position of an "Expert"! Another goofy CT! Roberts is just another idiot who watched too many movies. The logic is totally sound what is illogical is that after the one of the largest failures in history why an investigation was not demanded by the powers that be and not begged for by the victims families. Yes the huge failure no one held accountable a half hearted investigation so sloppy even the authors of the report claim it was a white wash, yet somehow they "goofy CT's" Its just so predictable that our mingle members from counties other than the US are the first to mock a totally logical article. Here are Mr Roberts credentials. aul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939) is an American economist and a columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics.[1] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service who has testified before congressional committees on 30 occasions on issues of economic policy. Roberts has written extensively that during the 21st century the Bush and Obama administrations have destroyed the US Constitution's protections of Americans' civil liberties, such as habeas corpus and due process in the name of "the war on terror." Roberts has been a critic of both Democratic and Republican administrations. Roberts has compared supporters of George W. Bush to "brownshirts with the same low intelligence and morals as Hitler's enthusiastic supporters." He has opposed the War on Drugs and the War on Terror stating it has "made widows and orphans of millions of Muslims". Roberts is a critic of Israel's policy toward Gaza "the world's largest concentration camp" populated by people who were "driven out of Palestine so that Israel could steal their land." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts It seems the reality is he has a fine mind with a good education and work history. Lets hear your credentials those who are so quick to mock. He's an idiot and where I come from is irrelevant, so, if you don't mind, please refrain from such childish asides. I have no patience for some of the puerile tactics evinced on this site any longer. If you choose to believe his rubbish, then be my jest. I don't give a flying **** what you believe and your uneducated opinion is of no importance to me whatsoever. Paul Craig Roberts is a nitwit, and you're at liberty to admire him all you like. Btw, arguing from authority is a logical fallacy. You should really have a look at what constitutes a logical fallacy, as you utilise (note: spelling )them repeatedly. Biography Roberts is a graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology and holds a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia. He was a post-graduate at the University of California, Berkeley and at Merton College, Oxford University.[2] His first scholarly article (Classica et Mediaevalia) was a reformulation of "The Pirenne Thesis." In Alienation and the Soviet Economy (1971), Roberts explained the Soviet economy as the outcome of a struggle between inordinate aspirations and a refractory reality. He argued that the Soviet economy was not centrally planned, but that its institutions, such as material supply, reflected the original Marxist aspirations to establish a non-market mode of production. In Marx's Theory of Exchange (1973), Roberts argued that Marx was an organizational theorist whose materialist conception of history ruled out good will as an effective force for change. From 1975 to 1978, Roberts served on the congressional staff. As economic counsel to Congressman Jack Kemp[3] he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill (which became the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981) and played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy.[2] His influential 1978 article for Harper's,[4] while economic counsel to Senator Orrin Hatch,[5] had Wall Street Journal editor Robert L. Bartley give him an editorial slot, which he had until 1980.[6] He was a senior fellow in political economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, then part of Georgetown University.[3] From early 1981 to January 1982 he served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy. President Ronald Reagan and Treasury Secretary Donald Regan credited him with a major role in the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, and he was awarded the Treasury Department's Meritorious Service Award for "outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy."[2] Roberts resigned in January 1982 to become the first occupant of the William E. Simon Chair for Economic Policy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, then part of Georgetown University.[7] He held this position until 1993. He went on to write The Supply-Side Revolution (1984), in which he explained the reformulation of macroeconomic theory and policy that he had helped to create. He was a Distinguished Fellow at the Cato Institute from 1993 to 1996. He was a Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution.[2] In The New Color Line (1995), Roberts argued that the Civil Rights Act was subverted by the bureaucrats who applied it and, by being used to create status-based privileges, became a threat to the Fourteenth Amendment in whose name it was passed. In The Tyranny of Good Intentions (2000), Roberts documented what he saw as the erosion of the Blackstonian legal principles that ensure that law is a shield of the innocent and not a weapon in the hands of government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts Looks to me the guy is a genius.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Sat 12/15/12 01:13 PM Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Sat 12/15/12 01:13 PM
Looks to me the guy is a genius. To you, I'm sure he does. Your logical fallacy is of no consequence.

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Sat 12/15/12 01:39 PM
wow.. another 9-11 kookspiracy thread..

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Sat 12/15/12 01:40 PM
wow.. another 9-11 kookspiracy thread.. Odd indeed. Well, it's a change from the rabid anti-semitism I suppose.

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Sat 12/15/12 01:46 PM
wow.. another 9-11 kookspiracy thread.. Odd indeed. Well, it's a change from the rabid anti-semitism I suppose. We are only into the second page of the thread.. It is still young..

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Sat 12/15/12 01:48 PM
wow.. another 9-11 kookspiracy thread.. Odd indeed. Well, it's a change from the rabid anti-semitism I suppose. We are only into the second page of the thread.. It is still young.. True, my statement was probably premature.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 12/15/12 05:10 PM


Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 12/16/12 09:06 AM
Looks to me the guy is a genius. To you, I'm sure he does. Your logical fallacy is of no consequence. You are welcome to wallow in self delusion and denial but many many people find the official version of 911 to be absurd and are looking for the real explanation. It is a topic that will not go away because millions and millions of thinking people all over the world will not be lied to and betrayed. Maybe this old Arab proverb warrants respect: People who lie to others have merely hidden away the truth, but people who lie to themselves have forgotten where they put it.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 12/16/12 10:08 AM
People who lie to others have merely hidden away the truth, but people who lie to themselves have forgotten where they put it.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Sun 12/16/12 12:35 PM
Looks to me the guy is a genius. To you, I'm sure he does. Your logical fallacy is of no consequence. You are welcome to wallow in self delusion and denial but many many people find the official version of 911 to be absurd and are looking for the real explanation. It is a topic that will not go away because millions and millions of thinking people all over the world will not be lied to and betrayed. Thinking people? Now you're really stretching the truth. What many people believe is of little import. Many people believe in many things which are lies or fantasies, therefore, that argument is just lame. Maybe this old Arab proverb warrants respect: People who lie to others have merely hidden away the truth, but people who lie to themselves have forgotten where they put it. Yes, I agree with that and it supports my point.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 12/16/12 01:06 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 12/16/12 01:08 PM
What many people believe is of little import. Many people believe in many things which are lies or fantasies, therefore, that argument is just lame. Wrong. Very wrong. What many people believe is of ultimate import. Why do you think governments and networks spend so much time spinning the news at the slant they want it to be in order to get the general public to agree to be lead around by the nose? Yes, people believe in lies and fantasies and most of these lies and fantasies are the ones like 9-11 propaganda, or the lies told to us by our politicians in order to get us to vote for them, or go to war for them. If "many people" believed that war was wrong, there would be no wars. So you are highly mistaken if you believe that what many people believe is of little import.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Sun 12/16/12 01:14 PM
What many people believe is of little import. Many people believe in many things which are lies or fantasies, therefore, that argument is just lame. Wrong. Very wrong. What many people believe is of ultimate import. Why do you think governments and networks spend so much time spinning the news at the slant they want it to be in order to get the general public to agree to be lead around by the nose? Yes, people believe in lies and fantasies and most of these lies and fantasies are the ones like 9-11 propaganda, or the lies told to us by our politicians in order to get us to vote for them, or go to war for them. If "many people" believed that war was wrong, there would be no wars. So you are highly mistaken if you believe that what many people believe is of little import. Ok, I'll elaborate further. What many people believe is of little import in evaluating the truth. I know you hate the term, but it is a logical fallacy. Many people believe in Wiccan spirituality, but that does not make it true. http://www.fallacyfiles.org/introtof.html

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 12/16/12 01:31 PM
Some people believe that the power of belief is magic and that we actually create reality with our minds and thoughts and beliefs. So what you believe is true may or may not be true. It may only be true from your perspective. You may never know what is really true. All you will ever "know" is what you believe. If you think you know something, you only believe you think you know it. You can't really prove otherwise.