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Muaness
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Somewhere in the bible, Jesus said when someone slaps you that you should graciously show them the other side to balance the equation.
Question is, can you take that? At least you did be obeying Jesus |
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I think it means don't be in haste to strike back, but be a peaceful person. I would have to read the whole chapter to think on it and get the context right, reciting brief passages from the Bible can make them sound like anything.
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Jesus was teaching passiveness. He also tells us anger leads no where positive. And tells us to be in a loving spirit all the time.
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Jesus was teaching passiveness. He also tells us anger leads no where positive. And tells us to be in a loving spirit all the time. so when something leads to something and there was a slap, would you not press charges? |
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Jesus was teaching passiveness. He also tells us anger leads no where positive. And tells us to be in a loving spirit all the time. so when something leads to something and there was a slap, would you not press charges? What kind of forgiveness is that? Did you really forgive the person if you press charges on them? Matthew 6:14 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: The following verse isn't explicitly speaking of physically harming another, but the two go hand in hand. If you retaliate, are you forgiving them? Or seeking revenge? Are you not judging their actions to have been "wrong"? Luke 6:37 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: |
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Jesus was teaching passiveness. He also tells us anger leads no where positive. And tells us to be in a loving spirit all the time. so when something leads to something and there was a slap, would you not press charges? What kind of forgiveness is that? Did you really forgive the person if you press charges on them? Matthew 6:14 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: The following verse isn't explicitly speaking of physically harming another, but the two go hand in hand. If you retaliate, are you forgiving them? Or seeking revenge? Are you not judging their actions to have been "wrong"? Luke 6:37 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Thus your answer is no. good |
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Jesus was teaching passiveness. He also tells us anger leads no where positive. And tells us to be in a loving spirit all the time. so when something leads to something and there was a slap, would you not press charges? What kind of forgiveness is that? Did you really forgive the person if you press charges on them? Matthew 6:14 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: The following verse isn't explicitly speaking of physically harming another, but the two go hand in hand. If you retaliate, are you forgiving them? Or seeking revenge? Are you not judging their actions to have been "wrong"? Luke 6:37 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Thus your answer is no. good How is this answer no good. He gave you the biblical answers from the bible in which you are referring your original post. God said turn the other cheek, it's a metaphor, I often do but if a person is persistent I will snap, and they will feel the sting. Pressing charges is useless. That is not turning the other cheek. Also, no-one gives a damn. To Simonedemidova, Pay attention to punctuation lol. He said your answer was no... then said it was good. "Thus your answer is no. good" Would get confusing, cause of the "g" being lower cased, but there is a period after no lol. He wasn't saying the answer was no good. |
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Jesus was teaching passiveness. He also tells us anger leads no where positive. And tells us to be in a loving spirit all the time. so when something leads to something and there was a slap, would you not press charges? What kind of forgiveness is that? Did you really forgive the person if you press charges on them? Matthew 6:14 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: The following verse isn't explicitly speaking of physically harming another, but the two go hand in hand. If you retaliate, are you forgiving them? Or seeking revenge? Are you not judging their actions to have been "wrong"? Luke 6:37 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Thus your answer is no. good How is this answer no good. He gave you the biblical answers from the bible in which you are referring your original post. God said turn the other cheek, it's a metaphor, I often do but if a person is persistent I will snap, and they will feel the sting. Pressing charges is useless. That is not turning the other cheek. Also, no-one gives a damn. To Simonedemidova, Pay attention to punctuation lol. He said your answer was no... then said it was good. "Thus your answer is no. good" Would get confusing, cause of the "g" being lower cased, but there is a period after no lol. He wasn't saying the answer was no good. Oh, I was confused, because my ipad does that crap all the time, it inserts period when I don't want them, I thought he was trying to say, thus your answer is not good. But had a period instead, precisely because the following G was not capitalized. Haha. Oh well. He will have to clarify his answer, I thought it was a typo. Besides pressing charges is not turning the other cheek, I don't think. Nope, pressing charges would definitly not be turning the other cheek. |
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I made two statements there. G should be capital
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He's making a point in the scripture. Instead of snapping back, you would forgive. He also says to choose your company wisely, so perhaps you shouldn't be in company with people where you'd have to restrain yourself like that as often.
Also, it does not condone not getting out of a bad situation. He also says, that if someone asks for your coat, you should give him your shirt also. Or that if he asks you to go one mile with him, you should go two. Go the extra mile, and forgive those that have wronged you. |
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He's making a point in the scripture. Instead of snapping back, you would forgive. He also says to choose your company wisely, so perhaps you shouldn't be in company with people where you'd have to restrain yourself like that as often.
Also, it does not condone not getting out of a bad situation. He also says, that if someone asks for your coat, you should give him your shirt also. Or that if he asks you to go one mile with him, you should go two. Go the extra mile, and forgive those that have wronged you. |
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Thanks, I misunderstood it, sorry. I'm cool. Truth is I never knew not writing g in Capital would actually give it another meaning even with the period. |
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He also says, that if someone asks for your coat, you should give him your shirt also. Or that if he asks you to go one mile with him, you should go two. Go the extra mile, and forgive those that have wronged you. that's if I'm feeling hot... lol |
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Thanks, I misunderstood it, sorry. I'm cool. Truth is I never knew not writing g in Capital would actually give it another meaning even with the period. The period ends the statement. Like it. wouldn't make much. sense if you. talked like this. And it being capitalized makes it a name so to speak, makes it a "proper noun" to get all technical lol. It makes it clear you're speaking of a specific being. "god" is a title showing something with authority. "God" is in reference to a specific being with authority. That is why we refer to Jesus' father as "god", because the english translation anyways, does not include his name. Don't know if the original scriptures used God's name or not. But it might not for instance, while Jesus was on the cross, he cried out "My God, My God, why hast..." So it wouldn't make sense for "God" to be a name there. |
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Matthew 6:14 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: The following verse isn't explicitly speaking of physically harming another, but the two go hand in hand. If you retaliate, are you forgiving them? Or seeking revenge? Are you not judging their actions to have been "wrong"? Luke 6:37 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: If you are not judged, (because you yourself don't judge) then you can't be judged to be good, either. You can't be evil, you can't be good, without a judgement. And you can't get a judgment unless you undergo the process of judging, which can't be done if you yourself don't judge. So you exclude your entering either heaven or hell on judgement day, because you avoid judgment by first not judging. Which means that Jesus won't be able to send you to heaven or to hell on judgment day. You wo't be judged, period, if you yourself don't judge. If you forgive someone a trespass, or their trespasses, then how many trespasses' forgiveness does that buy for you in God's judgment? Let me put it this way: I steal your bike, you forgive me. You are now allowed to steal and be forgiven just one bicycle, or seven bicycles, or are you forgiven for ALL your trespasses? The amount of sins forgiven is very important to observe here, and yet there is no instcructions or formulae given to us to give us guidance regarding this question. In other words, it gives us a general idea, but not detailed enough for us to be able to put it into practice. Next: the turning of the cheek. You get one slap. You turn your face. You get another slap. What then. This is a serious question, nothing frivolous about it. The answer to the question that this turning of the face is an automatically iterative function of behaviour, or a one-time repeating. If it's one time, then after the second slap you can say you'd counted to ten, you obeyed god's word, and you belt the guy a good one in the knockers, or you kick him in the loin where it hurts. But you may thing: after I turn my cheek, and get a slap; it is indistinguishable from the first turning my cheek to get the second slap. And the second slap, third slap, fourth slap. Is there a defined end by God's word at which the slaps must end. This is not a stament I make, like in the other parables in this post, but it is a true question, not at all a rhetoric. Can I get up and walk away, or hit back, after the second slap? Or the tenth? Or there is no end to the slap by my decision, I must slavishly turn my face? So what is the stance of God on this issue? If you are not judged, (because you yourself don't judge) then you can't be judged to be good, either. You can't be evil, you can't be good, without a judgement. And you can't get a judgment unless you undergo the process of judging, which can't be done if you yourself don't judge. So you exclude your entering either heaven or hell on judgement day, because you avoid judgment by first not judging. There is no longer a "judgement" so to speak, not like there was in the old covenant. We are now saved by the grace of God, not by works. In the old covenant, people were saved by their own actions. They had to sacrifice things for forgiveness, and things of that nature. But in the new covenant which we're under now, we are saved by the grace of God. There is no need for a "judgement", because Jesus already took our punishment on the cross. Let me put it this way: I steal your bike, you forgive me. You are now allowed to steal and be forgiven just one bicycle, or seven bicycles, or are you forgiven for ALL your trespasses? Would depend I would assume. Would depend on the intentions of the heart and all that. If you forgive someone just for the sake of getting to do something in return and or 7 things in return, then your giving forgiveness is kind of in vein, is it not? Only doing something(s) for the reward, is doing them in vein. And is not truly done out of love. What then. This is a serious question, nothing frivolous about it. The answer to the question that this turning of the face is an automatically iterative function of behaviour, or a one-time repeating. How many times are you to forgive someone for doing such an action? Matthew 18 21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. |
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Matthew 6:14 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: The following verse isn't explicitly speaking of physically harming another, but the two go hand in hand. If you retaliate, are you forgiving them? Or seeking revenge? Are you not judging their actions to have been "wrong"? Luke 6:37 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: If you are not judged, (because you yourself don't judge) then you can't be judged to be good, either. You can't be evil, you can't be good, without a judgement. And you can't get a judgment unless you undergo the process of judging, which can't be done if you yourself don't judge. So you exclude your entering either heaven or hell on judgement day, because you avoid judgment by first not judging. Which means that Jesus won't be able to send you to heaven or to hell on judgment day. You wo't be judged, period, if you yourself don't judge. If you forgive someone a trespass, or their trespasses, then how many trespasses' forgiveness does that buy for you in God's judgment? Let me put it this way: I steal your bike, you forgive me. You are now allowed to steal and be forgiven just one bicycle, or seven bicycles, or are you forgiven for ALL your trespasses? The amount of sins forgiven is very important to observe here, and yet there is no instcructions or formulae given to us to give us guidance regarding this question. In other words, it gives us a general idea, but not detailed enough for us to be able to put it into practice. Next: the turning of the cheek. You get one slap. You turn your face. You get another slap. What then. This is a serious question, nothing frivolous about it. The answer to the question that this turning of the face is an automatically iterative function of behaviour, or a one-time repeating. If it's one time, then after the second slap you can say you'd counted to ten, you obeyed god's word, and you belt the guy a good one in the knockers, or you kick him in the loin where it hurts. But you may thing: after I turn my cheek, and get a slap; it is indistinguishable from the first turning my cheek to get the second slap. And the second slap, third slap, fourth slap. Is there a defined end by God's word at which the slaps must end. This is not a stament I make, like in the other parables in this post, but it is a true question, not at all a rhetoric. Can I get up and walk away, or hit back, after the second slap? Or the tenth? Or there is no end to the slap by my decision, I must slavishly turn my face? So what is the stance of God on this issue? If you are not judged, (because you yourself don't judge) then you can't be judged to be good, either. You can't be evil, you can't be good, without a judgement. And you can't get a judgment unless you undergo the process of judging, which can't be done if you yourself don't judge. So you exclude your entering either heaven or hell on judgement day, because you avoid judgment by first not judging. There is no longer a "judgement" so to speak, not like there was in the old covenant. We are now saved by the grace of God, not by works. In the old covenant, people were saved by their own actions. They had to sacrifice things for forgiveness, and things of that nature. But in the new covenant which we're under now, we are saved by the grace of God. There is no need for a "judgement", because Jesus already took our punishment on the cross. Let me put it this way: I steal your bike, you forgive me. You are now allowed to steal and be forgiven just one bicycle, or seven bicycles, or are you forgiven for ALL your trespasses? Would depend I would assume. Would depend on the intentions of the heart and all that. If you forgive someone just for the sake of getting to do something in return and or 7 things in return, then your giving forgiveness is kind of in vein, is it not? Only doing something(s) for the reward, is doing them in vein. And is not truly done out of love. What then. This is a serious question, nothing frivolous about it. The answer to the question that this turning of the face is an automatically iterative function of behaviour, or a one-time repeating. How many times are you to forgive someone for doing such an action? Matthew 18 21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. What then. This is a serious question, nothing frivolous about it. The answer to the question that this turning of the face is an automatically iterative function of behaviour, or a one-time repeating. Think the best answer for this question is the following. Romans 12:19 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. |
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Please take note that this topic had been moved to Christian Singles. If you are clicking on the link "MOVED: Can you take a second one?" from the General Religion forums, that will show it was moved out of that forum and will take you into this forum.
This forum is for Christian Singles Thank you, Kim |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Mon 11/12/12 01:45 PM
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Somewhere in the bible, Jesus said when someone slaps you that you should graciously show them the other side to balance the equation. Question is, can you take that? At least you did be obeying Jesus But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:39) Resist: Here it probably means in a court of Law, smite, The Greek verb used here means "slap" you with the back of the hand. It was more of an "insult" than an Act of violence. The point is, that it is better to be "insulted" even twice, than to take the matter to court. |
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Somewhere in the bible, Jesus said when someone slaps you that you should graciously show them the other side to balance the equation. Question is, can you take that? At least you did be obeying Jesus But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:39) Resist: Here it probably means in a court of Law, smite, The Greek verb used here means "slap" you with the back of the hand. It was more of an "insult" than an Act of violence. The point is, that it is better to be "insulted" even twice, than to take the matter to court. I've also read that according to law, it was permitted to bank-hand slap your servant on the right cheek. If one were to hit the left cheek or strike with a fist, then they were of equal status in the eyes of the law. |
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