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Topic: Bill Maher slams 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 10/30/12 08:30 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 10/30/12 08:31 PM
Yes Hotrod I realize that. You can say that about any hypothetical person that utters any statement that does not have "I believe" in front of it. I am not "failing to recognize" that. geeeeze

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 10/30/12 08:33 PM
When someone says "That is a lie." They are presenting this as a fact. Do they offer proof of the "lie?" If not, then shouldn't they state "I believe that is a lie."

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 10/30/12 08:35 PM
Yes Hotrod I realize that. You can say that about any hypothetical person that utters any statement that does not have "I believe" in front of it. I am not "failing to recognize" that. geeeeze Well, it's not worth arguing over viewed in this context. Many people do turn a possibility into a 'perceived' fact (within their perspective) in this very fashion.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 10/30/12 08:37 PM
Yes Hotrod I realize that. You can say that about any hypothetical person that utters any statement that does not have "I believe" in front of it. I am not "failing to recognize" that. geeeeze Well, it's not worth arguing over viewed in this context. Many people do turn a possibility into a 'perceived' fact (within their perspective) in this very fashion. Yes I am very aware of that.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 10/30/12 08:37 PM
When someone says "That is a lie." They are presenting this as a fact. Do they offer proof of the "lie?" If not, then shouldn't they state "I believe that is a lie." Not necessarily, as sometimes the 'lie' label is justified based purely on what is being presented as a 'truth'. If I say 'black' is 'white', that is a lie. No debate required.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 10/30/12 08:40 PM
It is called "the power of suggestion." Like in star wars: "These are not the drones you are looking for." Advertisers, politicians, the media, use this all the time. If you repeat something over and over and over (like they did with 9-11) then people just accept it as the truth. They began that programming a half hour after the attack on the trade center, talking about who did it, and why they did it, and how the towers fell.... all over the media. Over and over and over. Programming.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 10/30/12 08:42 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 10/30/12 08:43 PM
When someone says "That is a lie." They are presenting this as a fact. Do they offer proof of the "lie?" If not, then shouldn't they state "I believe that is a lie." Not necessarily, as sometimes the 'lie' label is justified based purely on what is being presented as a 'truth'. If I say 'black' is 'white', that is a lie. No debate required. I thought you said it was not worth arguing about. But okay. The only reason no debate is required is because there is AGREEMENT. They call it "self evident." Too many people will assume something or insist that something is "self evident" when it is not.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Tue 10/30/12 08:43 PM
It is called "the power of suggestion." Like in star wars: "These are not the drones you are looking for." Advertisers, politicians, the media, use this all the time. If you repeat something over and over and over (like they did with 9-11) then people just accept it as the truth. They began that programming a half hour after the attack on the trade center, talking about who did it, and why they did it, and how the towers fell.... all over the media. Over and over and over. Programming. Ah! Your claim of programming isn't a fact, but you present your claim as if it were a fact.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 10/30/12 08:43 PM
It is called "the power of suggestion." Like in star wars: "These are not the drones you are looking for." The Force isn't real, it was a movie. Advertisers, politicians, the media, use this all the time. If you repeat something over and over and over then people just accept it as the truth. That being Bushi's point. They began that programming a half hour after the attack on the trade center, talking about who did it, and why they did it, and how the towers fell.... all over the media. Over and over and over. Programming. Now THAT is an opinion.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 10/30/12 08:46 PM
It is called "the power of suggestion." Like in star wars: "These are not the drones you are looking for." Advertisers, politicians, the media, use this all the time. If you repeat something over and over and over (like they did with 9-11) then people just accept it as the truth. They began that programming a half hour after the attack on the trade center, talking about who did it, and why they did it, and how the towers fell.... all over the media. Over and over and over. Programming. Ah! Your claim of programming isn't a fact, but you present your claim as if it were a fact. I call it "programming." You can call it anything you want. I watched the news all day, I saw it myself. The videos are still in evidence and are probably all over the Internet still. They are a matter of historical record now. Not only that, millions saw it and thousands of people are still talking about it.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 10/30/12 08:47 PM
When someone says "That is a lie." They are presenting this as a fact. Do they offer proof of the "lie?" If not, then shouldn't they state "I believe that is a lie." Not necessarily, as sometimes the 'lie' label is justified based purely on what is being presented as a 'truth'. If I say 'black' is 'white', that is a lie. No debate required. I thought you said it was not worth arguing about. In the context of Bushi's example. Are you trying to misrepresent my statement? The only reason no debate is required is because there is AGREEMENT. They call it "self evident." Not all facts are self evident to all viewers. Too many people will assume something or insist that something is "self evident" when it is not. Too many people may not be aware of something being self evident owing to limitations of experience, education, culture or environment.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 10/30/12 08:49 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 10/30/12 08:50 PM
It is called "the power of suggestion." Like in star wars: "These are not the drones you are looking for." The Force isn't real, it was a movie. Advertisers, politicians, the media, use this all the time. If you repeat something over and over and over then people just accept it as the truth. That being Bushi's point. They began that programming a half hour after the attack on the trade center, talking about who did it, and why they did it, and how the towers fell.... all over the media. Over and over and over. Programming. Now THAT is an opinion. The force is real. Yes that is my opinion but here is evidence: Hypnotism is real. It happens all the time. Did you see that program on television where they hypnotized a man to kill someone and he did not remember doing it? Of course they did not give him a real gun. But they proved that a person can be programmed to kill someone and programmed no to remember that he did it. That is what the force is all about. Power of mind.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 10/30/12 08:50 PM
When someone says "That is a lie." They are presenting this as a fact. Do they offer proof of the "lie?" If not, then shouldn't they state "I believe that is a lie." Not necessarily, as sometimes the 'lie' label is justified based purely on what is being presented as a 'truth'. If I say 'black' is 'white', that is a lie. No debate required. I thought you said it was not worth arguing about. In the context of Bushi's example. Are you trying to misrepresent my statement? The only reason no debate is required is because there is AGREEMENT. They call it "self evident." Not all facts are self evident to all viewers. Too many people will assume something or insist that something is "self evident" when it is not. Too many people may not be aware of something being self evident owing to limitations of experience, education, culture or environment. That is your opinion. Everything is opinion.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Tue 10/30/12 08:52 PM
It is called "the power of suggestion." Like in star wars: "These are not the drones you are looking for." Advertisers, politicians, the media, use this all the time. If you repeat something over and over and over (like they did with 9-11) then people just accept it as the truth. They began that programming a half hour after the attack on the trade center, talking about who did it, and why they did it, and how the towers fell.... all over the media. Over and over and over. Programming. Ah! Your claim of programming isn't a fact, but you present your claim as if it were a fact. I call it "programming." You can call it anything you want. I watched the news all day, I saw it myself. The videos are still in evidence and are probably all over the Internet still. They are a matter of historical record now. Not only that, millions saw it and thousands of people are still talking about it. Including those people in New York who actually saw the two airplane crash into the World Trade Center. They saw it happen with their own eyes. Those people were not programmed.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 10/30/12 08:53 PM
Have you any proof that you exist yet? Or shall I assume solipsism is the ultimate reality? Is anyone out there?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 10/30/12 08:55 PM
It is called "the power of suggestion." Like in star wars: "These are not the drones you are looking for." Advertisers, politicians, the media, use this all the time. If you repeat something over and over and over (like they did with 9-11) then people just accept it as the truth. They began that programming a half hour after the attack on the trade center, talking about who did it, and why they did it, and how the towers fell.... all over the media. Over and over and over. Programming. Ah! Your claim of programming isn't a fact, but you present your claim as if it were a fact. I call it "programming." You can call it anything you want. I watched the news all day, I saw it myself. The videos are still in evidence and are probably all over the Internet still. They are a matter of historical record now. Not only that, millions saw it and thousands of people are still talking about it. Including those people in New York who actually saw the two airplane crash into the World Trade Center. They saw it happen with their own eyes. Those people were not programmed. Most of those people did not actually see the planes. A few did. But I am talking about the other stuff. Why the towers fell, who was responsible, why they did it, etc. They blamed it on Osama within 30 minutes.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Tue 10/30/12 08:56 PM
Have you any proof that you exist yet? Or shall I assume solipsism is the ultimate reality? Is anyone out there? And you say that I am full of it.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Tue 10/30/12 09:01 PM
They blamed it on Osama within 30 minutes. Oh? Care to support your claim with evidence, or is your claim just an opinion?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 10/30/12 09:01 PM
Have you any proof that you exist yet? Or shall I assume solipsism is the ultimate reality? Is anyone out there? And you say that I am full of it. Its a serious question. Being discussed in the Science forum.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 10/30/12 09:02 PM
This has plummeted into a load of sophist meandering.