Topic: God...You elusive being
FearandLoathing's photo
Sun 10/07/12 10:15 PM
Do not seem to care for me, or is it simply that I am not capable of being cared for? You turn your back on me quicker than a president when I ask him a question, why? If, per se, God does have a plan, why does it seem that I do not fit in?

Buddha seems all the more appealing to me simply because of Buddhism's openness, Christianity has so many stipulations, red tape, and hoops to jump through whereas Buddhism is quite simple. Why then, I offer up the question, is it that you believe in such a restrictive entity? If God does exist, does it not seem that he would accept everyone for their faults, given that he indeed created every man?

Conflict here, does God accept Hitler? Essentially God created man, right? So why would he not accept even the most evil of that nature? Many say people can burn in hell, do they not know the weight of their words on the individual they are wishing such anger upon? Does God incite anger? If a God is to incite such anger, and such malice in his words, why is it I should believe in him?

To what purpose do I have to believe in such an angry entity? What am I to gain from believing in something that everyday takes millions of innocent lives away for the "Better?" Who's better is this? Surely this is no God I've heard of, and can't simply be a misguided misnomer of the true tale.

I've read your bible, about your God, his malice and anger...It seems that God is more full of petty rage and juvenile anger than he is of acceptance and forgiveness. Who could leave such faith and power on something that would simply flood your land's because he was angry?

I'm no good a Christian, anymore than I am a Muslim...God cannot forgive me for what I've done, and I'm thoroughly convinced of this, no more than he can forgive anyone else for what they have done. I fear, I made a mistake, merely because God does not seem to answer me, or care, either that or he simply does not exist.

In my eyes, your God...Like many others, can burn at the stake where he should have burned long ago. Call it spite, mortal ambition, what have you...But I cannot believe in something that simply does not seem to care about me, worthless to do so in my opinion.

Back to Buddhism it is then, my experience with Christ will not be missed.

Hikerjohn's photo
Sun 10/07/12 10:30 PM
Edited by Hikerjohn on Sun 10/07/12 10:36 PM
I understand you. How can there be a God that doesn't except everyone. But he actually does. Even Hitler. See we all have done things that are not acceptable to him. Yet he does for give. Everyone everything. Except one thing. A rebellious heart.

That is all that he asked of us. To let go. To simply let go. To chose Him over all other things including ourselves.

He Accepts everyone, but he knows not everyone will chose Him. There is nothing you did that he doesn't forgive.

King David was horrible at times. Sent a woman's husband to the front lines so he would die so that David could keep his wife.

And yet David was loved by God because of Davids heart. David Loved the Lord with all his heart. That is was any Father wants. Their child to love them as much as the Father loves his child. Isn't that what any good parent wants too.

He will knock on your door, but He will not force his way into your life or heart. It has to be your choice to love freely.

I think you know what I am talking about. He never left you. He is right there.



FearandLoathing's photo
Sun 10/07/12 10:49 PM
Alright, so God is alright with people who do not question him? Does that not seem a tad counter-productive given that humanity has evolved so much by simply questioning the norm? If God does, as you say he does, accept everyone...Why then should I choose to live in a heaven shared by those that should be left to rot in hell?

Hitler was but an example, there are many more like him, and if God accepts them all, or even half of them...I simply cannot envision that as a haven I wish to visit in death. I favor that of the ancient God's more than I favor that of your modern Christ, because the ancient God's were to pleased, worshipped, and given too. Christ seems as much a pushover as the classroom bully, and with all of the spite as well.

Ancient times the God's did not flood your land simply because they felt like it, they did it because people failed to recognize them. And they didn't leave one soul to keep life going, no, they ruined everything. Why is it that your God would choose only one man to retain life? Why not many? Or none at all even?

It is my belief that questions are the very fundamental of humanity, it is necessary to question the norm if only to figure out why it is that way in the first place. It is to my experience, and reading, that God does not view questions as the same in that he strikes out at questions of himself and his "Almighty" good. Why then create such a diverse creature as humanity and free-will without taking into account that one day they may question your existence?

And per se God did take into account the diverse knowledge that man would come across, why they did he not take into account the very basic of questions? Sure, we can rely on the Bible here were no man should question their God, but isn't that a tad extreme to ask of a reasonably intelligent society? Where was your God for the Jews? The Muslims? The good-hearted Christians that fight?

If your God cannot even save your own, what makes you think he will save you?

Hikerjohn's photo
Sun 10/07/12 10:58 PM
Can God make an intelligent being, supposedly in his image and remove selfishness for that being? No. Removing selfishness is the thing he chose to let us figure out. It had to be something we gave up.

So those in heaven are not evil, nor will we have the desire to sin anymore. that is tied to the flesh. But we will also be free of selfishness and be among all those who also gave up selfishness and we will be separate from those who could not give up selfishness.

Isn't it the selfish soles of the world the ones that make it unbearable to live here? The ones who hurt us? Isn't it our own selfishness that hurts others. And our selves.

This conflict we fight with isn't Gods conflict. Its ours. It us fighting ourselves.


FearandLoathing's photo
Sun 10/07/12 11:57 PM
First off, I simply wish to stretch my insurmountable gratitude to you taking up this debate with me. I know from experience that it is not a simple debate to take up with someone, so I just wish to extend my greatest gratitude to you taking this up with me.

Now, onto the conflict, shall we?

So, God created an intelligent being without the ability to be modest? Does man not have the simple ability to realize when they are in over their head? On the flip-side however, has man not managed great things facing situations that were well over their head? Even the bible would speak of such things with David and the Goliath? Surely there is selfishness in David's goal, no? Living would be quite the selfish goal I would think, I'm going out of bounds here, but take for instance a zombie apocalypse, we would surely put our lives before anyone else, no? The same can be said for any type of situation similar such as a more recent example as 9/11 (I'm not trying to start an argument about it, but surely not everyone was a hero that day).

Now we go onto those who are in heaven are not evil. Who makes this distinction? This is probably where my greatest issue lies with Jesus Christ, God, or whomever you wish to rely on here...Because through my reading, God himself does not dictate anyone evil, nor does he bar anyone from entry into heaven. So now, who is it then who does place such a brash judgement on the populace? Surely at this point you can see my conflict with a God that has been weight so heavily by the people whom surround him.

Yes, of course, you will not get an argument from me here. However, these same people, provided they remit their sins, will be accepted into heaven's gates. Does this not seem counter-productive to the safe-haven you seek after death? I mean, would a heaven not be better served without the selfish, wicked, and altogether evil?

The conflict I fight with surely isn't God's conflict, I assure you of that, the conflict I fight is to whether or not God cares in the first place.

Ladywind7's photo
Mon 10/08/12 12:52 AM
:-) I remember being where you are. The idea that the Creator of everything could love the least of these? I had an experience with the Holy Spirit that left me with no doubt of His love. We love with human limits, God does not. His love is holy, pure &

Ladywind7's photo
Mon 10/08/12 12:59 AM
limitless. When He showed me His holy, perfect love, my humanity could not cope & I wept for hours when I knew I was undeserving. Jesus gave us his life in death so that we could be forgiven. Nothing you have done, even genocide, would God not forgive.

Ladywind7's photo
Mon 10/08/12 01:31 AM
Like yourself, I question everything.The bible says it is to our glory for kings & queens to seek knowledge. I wouldnt give up so hastily. In heaven we will be perfect, we will not grate on each others nerves. David killed Goliath to defend Gods honor btw

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Mon 10/08/12 04:28 PM

Do not seem to care for me, or is it simply that I am not capable of being cared for? You turn your back on me quicker than a president when I ask him a question, why? If, per se, God does have a plan, why does it seem that I do not fit in?

Buddha seems all the more appealing to me simply because of Buddhism's openness, Christianity has so many stipulations, red tape, and hoops to jump through whereas Buddhism is quite simple. Why then, I offer up the question, is it that you believe in such a restrictive entity? If God does exist, does it not seem that he would accept everyone for their faults, given that he indeed created every man?

Conflict here, does God accept Hitler? Essentially God created man, right? So why would he not accept even the most evil of that nature? Many say people can burn in hell, do they not know the weight of their words on the individual they are wishing such anger upon? Does God incite anger? If a God is to incite such anger, and such malice in his words, why is it I should believe in him?

To what purpose do I have to believe in such an angry entity? What am I to gain from believing in something that everyday takes millions of innocent lives away for the "Better?" Who's better is this? Surely this is no God I've heard of, and can't simply be a misguided misnomer of the true tale.

I've read your bible, about your God, his malice and anger...It seems that God is more full of petty rage and juvenile anger than he is of acceptance and forgiveness. Who could leave such faith and power on something that would simply flood your land's because he was angry?

I'm no good a Christian, anymore than I am a Muslim...God cannot forgive me for what I've done, and I'm thoroughly convinced of this, no more than he can forgive anyone else for what they have done. I fear, I made a mistake, merely because God does not seem to answer me, or care, either that or he simply does not exist.

In my eyes, your God...Like many others, can burn at the stake where he should have burned long ago. Call it spite, mortal ambition, what have you...But I cannot believe in something that simply does not seem to care about me, worthless to do so in my opinion.

Back to Buddhism it is then, my experience with Christ will not be missed.


It seems to me that you have more of a beef with the Bible than you do with God. (unless God spoke to you directly)

Regardless of what you've been told, you do NOT have to believe everything...

TBRich's photo
Mon 10/08/12 05:48 PM
You will not find G-d in a book, or someone who tells you that they know what the book says. You will find G-d everyday, in a thousand ways. In the way we treat each other, each single isolated act of kindness and gentleness, each new view of the awe and wonder of what the world can bring. it is in the laughter and eyes of our youngest. In the strength and hope of our most vunerable and weakest, the humility in our strongest. If you are quiet and listen and look...

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 10/08/12 06:00 PM

You will not find G-d in a book, or someone who tells you that they know what the book says. You will find G-d everyday, in a thousand ways. In the way we treat each other, each single isolated act of kindness and gentleness, each new view of the awe and wonder of what the world can bring. it is in the laughter and eyes of our youngest. In the strength and hope of our most vunerable and weakest, the humility in our strongest. If you are quiet and listen and look...


Yes to an extent I totally agree with you TBRich. I mean I know I talk alot about the Christian faith, but God is not in that bible. That bible is purely history, prophecy for the future, and the laws we are to abide by. God himself is not in that bible though, nor can he be found there. God can only be found by actual searching for him throughout life.