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Topic: Teach kids to avoid the trap
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Sat 10/06/12 02:46 PM



However, this school-loan thing is not a trap, because everyone is practically forced into it, there is no escaping it. You don't want to go to school? fine, young lady / young man, you will be a washroom cleaner for the next 78 years (coz they shall keep increasing retirment age). No ifs buts and ands.


huh Oh yeah? Tell that to the enlisted personnel in the U.S. Armed Forces. Tell that to graduates of trade schools. Tell that to people who attended college part time while working full-time jobs.

Sometimes, the alleged "trap" is due to people thinking that they must have a Bachelor degree in order to live comfortably. Sometimes, the alleged "trap" is due to people choosing college majors that are worthless in the job market.


Yes, I can see you have a good point when you brought up the trade schools. Those guys always get a job. Women too.

But army is not a thing to do, unless you have some sense of the worthlessness of your own life. Three thousand US troops died in the last X years abroad. That's almost as many as gun-related murders in Oklahoma, New York City and Detroit, put together.

That death rate among the troops is unacceptable.

I would not risk my life to become a certified Database Specialist.

It's almost like "We teach you good in uni how to die good and solid! Join the armed forces!!"

Sounds a little like salvation-peddling ministers in the missions run by Americans.

The work-your-way-through college is also a trap. You WORK your way and therefore give up all your social life, and never get married coz the ones left after graduation are not worth the pot they piss in. You see, no woman over 30 who has a uni education ever gets married, if she's single at 30.

But okay, then you graduate, and then you go back to work some more decades in your college-day job, because there are no other jobs for you.

So one guy builds up a massive debt, the other destroys his own youth, by never getting the time to get drunk or to chase girls (or boys, whatever), and in the end they are both unemployed, or flipping burgers.

I see differences beetween the details of the paths that an indebted graduate took, and a work-your-way-through burnt-out shell of a human took, but the trap is the same in a sense that they both paid too much of a human price, they both have the same opportunities or lack of to get a real career job, and both have no chance to avoid the "trap".

wux's photo
Sat 10/06/12 02:58 PM


You are preaching to the choir, as I read your words.

In the old days, from ten years ago to forty years ago, roughly a thirty-forty year long stretch, this was a good idea. The young were shut out (etc... etc...) which my mother did (and survived).

There are plenty of jobs that don't require a degree in the skilled trades, but most people don't want to do them anymore. And they pay very well. I almost became a welder myself, but that didn't work out for a number of reasons. Hopefully, the apprentice system will make a comeback someday. There would be more people doing interesting and useful jobs and fewer unemployed people with useless degrees like underwater basket weaving and so on.


And you are preaching to yourself. You admit that trades people get jobs (I agree!!) and that people are reluctant to go into the field (I agree!!) and that these jobs pay well (I agree!!) and in the next sentence you say you almost chose that path but you did not.

Yet people are reluctant to be preparing themselves to do trade jobs, and then doing those trades jobs, which is the obvious solution to the problem that the "trap" presents.

I also don't know why people do that. If that's the best way or only way to avoid the trap, why is it more important to encourage kids to go to UNI? why can't they pick up a hammer and a sickle, and form their trade unions and communist cells and underground resistence, all only to culminate in a bolshevik American revolution, following a civil war which had started while WWIII was still raging, between the White Army and the Red Army, or more likely a differnt colour from red Army?

wux's photo
Sat 10/06/12 03:00 PM

Why encourage kids to go to UNI? why can't they pick up a hammer and a sickle, and form their trade unions and communist cells and underground resistence, all only to culminate in a bolshevik American revolution, following a civil war which had started while WWIII was still raging, between the White Army and the Red Army, or more likely a differnt colour from red Army?


ah... if only it could be me who would write history for mankind... before history happened...

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Thu 10/25/12 11:43 PM
What if someone is both homeless and unemployed?

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Sun 10/28/12 03:49 PM
Edited by heavenlyboy34 on Sun 10/28/12 03:50 PM
edit: n/m, I see all my points have been covered. drinker

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Tue 10/30/12 06:42 AM

What if someone is both homeless and unemployed?

You won't see them on the internet?

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