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Topic: 'US lawmakers forced to support Israel'
Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 10/01/12 01:51 AM
Why has Israel refused to sign the non proliferation treaty? Why should they sign? Has NK signed,or India,or Pakistan? Why is no one making a fuss about them,yet getting the Runs about Israel? Indian and Pakistan are not threatening to attack Iran starting WW3 in the process. duh

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/01/12 01:54 AM
1. Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused. 2. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused. 3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused. 4. Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed. 5. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities. 6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement of a planned underground (to avoid being bombed) enrichment facility. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat. 7. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons. 8. In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona. 9. Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble. 10. The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact. 11. Recently revealed documents prove not only that Israel has nuclear weapos, but actually tried to sell some to Apartheid South Africa. Who else Israel approached to sell nuclear weapons remains an unasked question. 12. In 1965, Israel stole over 200-600 pounds of weapons-grade uranium from the United States. 13. Declassified documents from the former South African regime prove not only that Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades, but has tried to sell them to other countries! 14: No less a source than the Jerusalem Post confirms that Israel has armed their German-supplied Dolphin submarines with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. We all need to be Joe Wilson right now. We need to stand up and scream, "LIAR!" at every politician and every talking media moron that is pushing this war in Iran. And we need to keep dong it until they get the message that we will not be deceived any more. Israel wants to send your kids off to die in Iran, and YOU are the only one that can stop them. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/IranvIsrael.php yep,ALL it's Facilities! Good Joke! Besides,what has that got to do with the Topic,except serving as a Red Herring?

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Mon 10/01/12 02:11 AM
When US Representatives support Israel which certainly is very worthy of support, it is because the American people support Israel simple as that. Personally I am very proud that my country supports free democratic societies like Israel in their struggles against hateful represssive bigots and those who would eliminate freedom of religion and freedom of speech. I am very supportive of US initiatives to assist Israel in their lone efforts to preserve these freedoms in the Middle East and protect themselves from terrorists bent on returning the world to the dark ages. No one is being "forced" to do squat however. We support Israel because it is the right thing to do. BS! whats really BS is your use of youtube to try to prove a point.. I don't use it to prove a point (as some feel the must), I use it as "another opinion" other than the bias hardlines pressed on us by by religious fanatics against other religious fanatics. Not everyone buys the bias propaganda the media and gov't sell. Some still have a brain left to consider facts and logic.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/01/12 02:19 AM
Why has Israel refused to sign the non proliferation treaty? Why should they sign? Has NK signed,or India,or Pakistan? Why is no one making a fuss about them,yet getting the Runs about Israel? Indian and Pakistan are not threatening to attack Iran starting WW3 in the process. duh But they are sure threatening each other!

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Mon 10/01/12 02:42 AM
We support Israel because it is the right thing to do. You support Israel as much as you want...but you are supporting an apartheid regime who murder Americans and other nationalities at the drop of a hat. Not forgetting The Greatest Injustice The World has witnessed in modern times....PALESTINE

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Mon 10/01/12 02:47 AM
We support Israel because it is the right thing to do. The whole world is witnessing how those damn muslims are curing their problems. Yes..The Native Americans were driven off their lands. The Palestinians are being driven from their lands. The Cowboys and The Zionists have that very special relationship.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/01/12 02:57 AM
We support Israel because it is the right thing to do. The whole world is witnessing how those damn muslims are curing their problems. Yes..The Native Americans were driven off their lands. The Palestinians are being driven from their lands. The Cowboys and The Zionists have that very special relationship. sure glad History is your strong Point?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/01/12 02:58 AM
We support Israel because it is the right thing to do. You support Israel as much as you want...but you are supporting an apartheid regime who murder Americans and other nationalities at the drop of a hat. Not forgetting The Greatest Injustice The World has witnessed in modern times....PALESTINE what's a Palestine?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/01/12 03:01 AM
We support Israel because it is the right thing to do. The whole world is witnessing how those damn muslims are curing their problems. Yes..The Native Americans were driven off their lands. The Palestinians are being driven from their lands. The Cowboys and The Zionists have that very special relationship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6U-TGahwvs

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Mon 10/01/12 07:37 AM Edited by s1owhand on Mon 10/01/12 07:39 AM
We support Israel because it is the right thing to do. You support Israel as much as you want...but you are supporting an apartheid regime who murder Americans and other nationalities at the drop of a hat. Not forgetting The Greatest Injustice The World has witnessed in modern times....PALESTINE The diaper is full - time for a cleaning and change!! I used to be a lot more critical of Israel, and I used to believe there was a fairly simple two-state solution, because I used to believe the Arabs were acting in good faith. I still want to believe that, but the evidence tells me I'd be a fool to believe it, because I've seen that every concession Israel makes is met with more demands and more excuses not to negotiate. They could have had peace ten times over if they wanted it, but they don't want peace, they want victory, and they won't be happy until Israel is wiped from the map. A member of Fatah central committee said as much on television recently, but as he said, they keep that to themselves, and tell the rest of the world a different story. Despite what the Palestinian public-relations industry, i.e. the western media might tell you, this isn't about territory, and it isn't about justice or human rights, because Arab societies don't know the meanings of those words. It's about Jew-hatred, as mandated by the Qur'an, and as preached in the mosques and taught to the children in Arab countries, day in and day out, generation after poisoned generation. The Arabs don't hate Jews because of Israel. They hate Israel because of Jews. All you good-hearted western liberals who keep banging the drum for the poor Palestinians; I sympathize with you, because you're doing it for the right reason. But you're being exploited, just as the people in the West Bank and Gaza are being exploited, by people who have no intention of negotiating peace, because they're driven primarily by crude, irrational religious hatred. When you protest for Palestine, you know you'll be in the company of people calling for Jews to be gassed. Do you think that's an accident? You're dealing with something here beyond politics, and beyond reason - something truly ugly that drives a spike through all your cozy left-right assumptions. And your naivety is helping to stoke it, like bellows to a fire. The great Palestinian lie http://youtu.be/j1N1zhUm84w see also Valuable Imbeciles for Palestine http://youtu.be/wqSY285BqQg

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/01/12 07:56 AM
We support Israel because it is the right thing to do. You support Israel as much as you want...but you are supporting an apartheid regime who murder Americans and other nationalities at the drop of a hat. Not forgetting The Greatest Injustice The World has witnessed in modern times....PALESTINE The diaper is full - time for a cleaning and change!! I used to be a lot more critical of Israel, and I used to believe there was a fairly simple two-state solution, because I used to believe the Arabs were acting in good faith. I still want to believe that, but the evidence tells me I'd be a fool to believe it, because I've seen that every concession Israel makes is met with more demands and more excuses not to negotiate. They could have had peace ten times over if they wanted it, but they don't want peace, they want victory, and they won't be happy until Israel is wiped from the map. A member of Fatah central committee said as much on television recently, but as he said, they keep that to themselves, and tell the rest of the world a different story. Despite what the Palestinian public-relations industry, i.e. the western media might tell you, this isn't about territory, and it isn't about justice or human rights, because Arab societies don't know the meanings of those words. It's about Jew-hatred, as mandated by the Qur'an, and as preached in the mosques and taught to the children in Arab countries, day in and day out, generation after poisoned generation. The Arabs don't hate Jews because of Israel. They hate Israel because of Jews. All you good-hearted western liberals who keep banging the drum for the poor Palestinians; I sympathize with you, because you're doing it for the right reason. But you're being exploited, just as the people in the West Bank and Gaza are being exploited, by people who have no intention of negotiating peace, because they're driven primarily by crude, irrational religious hatred. When you protest for Palestine, you know you'll be in the company of people calling for Jews to be gassed. Do you think that's an accident? You're dealing with something here beyond politics, and beyond reason - something truly ugly that drives a spike through all your cozy left-right assumptions. And your naivety is helping to stoke it, like bellows to a fire. The great Palestinian lie http://youtu.be/j1N1zhUm84w see also Valuable Imbeciles for Palestine http://youtu.be/wqSY285BqQg

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 10/01/12 08:11 AM
When US Representatives support Israel which certainly is very worthy of support, it is because the American people support Israel simple as that. Personally I am very proud that my country supports free democratic societies like Israel in their struggles against hateful represssive bigots and those who would eliminate freedom of religion and freedom of speech. I am very supportive of US initiatives to assist Israel in their lone efforts to preserve these freedoms in the Middle East and protect themselves from terrorists bent on returning the world to the dark ages. No one is being "forced" to do squat however. We support Israel because it is the right thing to do. BS! whats really BS is your use of youtube to try to prove a point.. I don't use it to prove a point (as some feel the must), I use it as "another opinion" other than the bias hardlines pressed on us by by religious fanatics against other religious fanatics. Not everyone buys the bias propaganda the media and gov't sell. Some still have a brain left to consider facts and logic. i think we both watch the same news, so if i'm getting lied to, then so are you... you seem to think i am wrong here? i'm pretty sure that nobody here has been to Israel or anywhere close to it, so how are you so sure that it's all Israels fault? I do know firsthand the hatred the arabs have for the jews, and i'm guessing you don't...

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 10/01/12 08:12 AM
Why has Israel refused to sign the non proliferation treaty? Why should they sign? Has NK signed,or India,or Pakistan? Why is no one making a fuss about them,yet getting the Runs about Israel? Indian and Pakistan are not threatening to attack Iran starting WW3 in the process. duh duh, how uninformed you are... they have been blowing up nukes at their borders for years now, not real far away from WW3 as it is...

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Mon 10/01/12 12:43 PM
When US Representatives support Israel which certainly is very worthy of support, it is because the American people support Israel simple as that. Personally I am very proud that my country supports free democratic societies like Israel in their struggles against hateful represssive bigots and those who would eliminate freedom of religion and freedom of speech. I am very supportive of US initiatives to assist Israel in their lone efforts to preserve these freedoms in the Middle East and protect themselves from terrorists bent on returning the world to the dark ages. No one is being "forced" to do squat however. We support Israel because it is the right thing to do. BS! whats really BS is your use of youtube to try to prove a point.. I don't use it to prove a point (as some feel the must), I use it as "another opinion" other than the bias hardlines pressed on us by by religious fanatics against other religious fanatics. Not everyone buys the bias propaganda the media and gov't sell. Some still have a brain left to consider facts and logic. i think we both watch the same news, so if i'm getting lied to, then so are you... you seem to think i am wrong here? i'm pretty sure that nobody here has been to Israel or anywhere close to it, so how are you so sure that it's all Israels fault? I do know firsthand the hatred the arabs have for the jews, and i'm guessing you don't... [/ quote] I served in Iraq, very close to Isreal. Arabs do not hate Jews, they hate the policies that Isreal enforces politicaly and its mighty influence through their economic control of the WB and the INF. They hate the fact that Isreal is a satalite for US military presence and view both as partners in a quest for arresting the most important strategic region in the world.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/01/12 12:47 PM
Let's do some Knee-Capping! We'll get them in Line yet!

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Mon 10/01/12 12:49 PM Edited by Ras427 on Mon 10/01/12 12:54 PM
All Arab nations are aware of the violent overthrow of the goverment of Iran with the CIA and MOSSAD working in harmony when they installed the Shah and removing Mohammad Mossadegh, this had nothing to do with enrichment, nuclear weapons. That is the premise today. Back then, we needed nothing to justify that flagrant international violation, nor were anyother goverment we have ever overthrown. Today we need justification we promote and with the far reaching media who think for most, we are trying to sell another profit campaign that all the region have seen before.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Mon 10/01/12 02:27 PM
All Arab nations are aware of the violent overthrow of the goverment of Iran with the CIA and MOSSAD working in harmony when they installed the Shah and removing Mohammad Mossadegh, this had nothing to do with enrichment, nuclear weapons. And it still has nothing to do with nuclear weapons. It is ancient history. One can debate whether the average Iranian was better off under the Shah or under Khomenei but clearly no one is very well off with the modesty police islamist terrorist abusive theocracy which is Iran today. The Mahdi isn't about to show up anyday and the Iranians all know this. They know they are suffering needlessly in an extremely oppressive regressive ultra-religious nightmare and have no way to easily get out. The Iranian people deeply resent their idiotic overindulgent and hypocritical prayer-masters of clerics causing untold economic damage with their ill-conceived nuclear program. They are sick of the clerics living lives of relative luxury while the average Iranian is stuck in radical Islamic induced penury. Sad to say the days of Persian enlightenment have been set back a century or more with their current theocracy. Most of them understand they have exchanged on set of thugs for another eventually they will overthrow the clerics and there will be an opportunity again for them to modernize their society without the onus of the Persian monarchy. But in the near term - there will be the Iranians taking down the centrifuges themselves or there will be smoking holes in the neighborhood of their reactors and enrichment facilities. One way or the other.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/01/12 02:34 PM
All Arab nations are aware of the violent overthrow of the goverment of Iran with the CIA and MOSSAD working in harmony when they installed the Shah and removing Mohammad Mossadegh, this had nothing to do with enrichment, nuclear weapons. That is the premise today. Back then, we needed nothing to justify that flagrant international violation, nor were anyother goverment we have ever overthrown. Today we need justification we promote and with the far reaching media who think for most, we are trying to sell another profit campaign that all the region have seen before. Mossy was the Shah's Primeminister,FYI! And actually perpetrated a Coup of his own! In favor of the Soviets!

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Mon 10/01/12 02:44 PM
All Arab nations are aware of the violent overthrow of the goverment of Iran with the CIA and MOSSAD working in harmony when they installed the Shah and removing Mohammad Mossadegh, this had nothing to do with enrichment, nuclear weapons. That is the premise today. Back then, we needed nothing to justify that flagrant international violation, nor were anyother goverment we have ever overthrown. Today we need justification we promote and with the far reaching media who think for most, we are trying to sell another profit campaign that all the region have seen before. Mossy was the Shah's Primeminister,FYI! And actually perpetrated a Coup of his own! In favor of the Soviets! Nothing like letting facts get into the way of a fable.. The Shah appointed him Prime Minister FFS.. I guess David Cameron has to be overthrown to install the Queen back in power.. Simply amazing..

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Mon 10/01/12 02:44 PM Edited by InvictusV on Mon 10/01/12 02:45 PM
All Arab nations are aware of the violent overthrow of the goverment of Iran with the CIA and MOSSAD working in harmony when they installed the Shah and removing Mohammad Mossadegh, this had nothing to do with enrichment, nuclear weapons. That is the premise today. Back then, we needed nothing to justify that flagrant international violation, nor were anyother goverment we have ever overthrown. Today we need justification we promote and with the far reaching media who think for most, we are trying to sell another profit campaign that all the region have seen before. Mossy was the Shah's Primeminister,FYI! And actually perpetrated a Coup of his own! In favor of the Soviets! Perplexing..