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Conrad_73's photo
Tue 09/18/12 10:09 AM







To answer my own Question



It is less than Three Mile Fishing Limit

The Israeli navy harasses Gazan fishermen even within 3-mile limit from shore




"Take off your clothes," ordered the soldier over his megaphone. The old man and his son removed their clothing. "Get into the water," the soldier continued shouting into the megaphone. The son, 18, entered the water from the fishing skiff and swam over to the Israeli navy gunboat.


werll,you can't hide a Suicide-Vest naked!:laughing:


Wasn't that a fishing boat that blew a hole in the USS Cole?
I believe so!


Maybe, but that was in Yemen... You should be VERY careful in Yemen

it's not like this father/son terrorist team whoa approached the gun ship? This was Absolute harassment! and Illegal!

Imagine the war dogs limiting a family's right to feed themselves? It's happening everyday in one form or another, has been for 70 yrs!

Scoundrels!



Read Resolution 242,and Israel's rights under it!
Read it,then talk!yawn


Gaza–Jericho Agreement (Annex I, Article XI) which vests Israel with the responsibility for security along the coastline and the Sea of Gaza. The agreement stipulates that Israel may take any measures necessary against vessels suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity.

I would have acted exactly like it!
Better be Safe than Dead!


Are you for real? Resolution 242?


Resolution 242 (1967)
of 22 November 1967


The Security Council,

Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,

Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,

Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,

1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

2. Affirms further the necessity

(a) For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;

(b) For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;

(c) For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;

3. Requests the Secretary-General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;

4. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.
Adopted unanimously at the 1382nd meeting.







Interesting that you only Post Israel's Duties!
Really touching!laugh
Actually the Palestinians haven't lived up to any of their Responsibilities,thus the Stalemate!
And yours ah OP's Take on it really don't matter!
Look at 242 in it's entirety,not just what Israel might have to do!laugh
Besides,a Naked Man still can't hide a Suicide-Belt,and Israel is still charged with Security in the Area,until all has been resolved by NEGOTIATIONS!
Arafat actually,in 2000 at Camp David made all the Responsibilities of Israel Null and Void,when he refused the Offer he got,and went Home and started the Intifada!
Arafat,The Fool,was being handed 90% of what he demanded,the rest to be settled by Negotiations,yet the damn Fool refused!
So,like I said,matters little what OP or you might concoct!
Because,first of all,OP is,like usual only telling Part of the Story!

no photo
Tue 09/18/12 10:20 AM








To answer my own Question



It is less than Three Mile Fishing Limit

The Israeli navy harasses Gazan fishermen even within 3-mile limit from shore




"Take off your clothes," ordered the soldier over his megaphone. The old man and his son removed their clothing. "Get into the water," the soldier continued shouting into the megaphone. The son, 18, entered the water from the fishing skiff and swam over to the Israeli navy gunboat.


werll,you can't hide a Suicide-Vest naked!:laughing:


Wasn't that a fishing boat that blew a hole in the USS Cole?
I believe so!


Maybe, but that was in Yemen... You should be VERY careful in Yemen

it's not like this father/son terrorist team whoa approached the gun ship? This was Absolute harassment! and Illegal!

Imagine the war dogs limiting a family's right to feed themselves? It's happening everyday in one form or another, has been for 70 yrs!

Scoundrels!



Read Resolution 242,and Israel's rights under it!
Read it,then talk!yawn


Gaza–Jericho Agreement (Annex I, Article XI) which vests Israel with the responsibility for security along the coastline and the Sea of Gaza. The agreement stipulates that Israel may take any measures necessary against vessels suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity.

I would have acted exactly like it!
Better be Safe than Dead!


Are you for real? Resolution 242?


Resolution 242 (1967)
of 22 November 1967


The Security Council,

Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,

Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,

Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,

1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

2. Affirms further the necessity

(a) For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;

(b) For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;

(c) For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;

3. Requests the Secretary-General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;

4. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.
Adopted unanimously at the 1382nd meeting.







Interesting that you only Post Israel's Duties!
Really touching!laugh
Actually the Palestinians haven't lived up to any of their Responsibilities,thus the Stalemate!
And yours ah OP's Take on it really don't matter!
Look at 242 in it's entirety,not just what Israel might have to do!laugh
Besides,a Naked Man still can't hide a Suicide-Belt,and Israel is still charged with Security in the Area,until all has been resolved by NEGOTIATIONS!
Arafat actually,in 2000 at Camp David made all the Responsibilities of Israel Null and Void,when he refused the Offer he got,and went Home and started the Intifada!
Arafat,The Fool,was being handed 90% of what he demanded,the rest to be settled by Negotiations,yet the damn Fool refused!
So,like I said,matters little what OP or you might concoct!
Because,first of all,OP is,like usual only telling Part of the Story!


Sir, please provide a link to exactly what you are referring to... otherwise, please! whoa

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 09/18/12 10:33 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 09/18/12 10:47 AM









To answer my own Question



It is less than Three Mile Fishing Limit

The Israeli navy harasses Gazan fishermen even within 3-mile limit from shore




"Take off your clothes," ordered the soldier over his megaphone. The old man and his son removed their clothing. "Get into the water," the soldier continued shouting into the megaphone. The son, 18, entered the water from the fishing skiff and swam over to the Israeli navy gunboat.


werll,you can't hide a Suicide-Vest naked!:laughing:


Wasn't that a fishing boat that blew a hole in the USS Cole?
I believe so!


Maybe, but that was in Yemen... You should be VERY careful in Yemen

it's not like this father/son terrorist team whoa approached the gun ship? This was Absolute harassment! and Illegal!

Imagine the war dogs limiting a family's right to feed themselves? It's happening everyday in one form or another, has been for 70 yrs!

Scoundrels!



Read Resolution 242,and Israel's rights under it!
Read it,then talk!yawn


Gaza–Jericho Agreement (Annex I, Article XI) which vests Israel with the responsibility for security along the coastline and the Sea of Gaza. The agreement stipulates that Israel may take any measures necessary against vessels suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity.

I would have acted exactly like it!
Better be Safe than Dead!


Are you for real? Resolution 242?


Resolution 242 (1967)
of 22 November 1967


The Security Council,

Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,

Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,

Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,

1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

2. Affirms further the necessity

(a) For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;

(b) For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;

(c) For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;

3. Requests the Secretary-General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;

4. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.
Adopted unanimously at the 1382nd meeting.







Interesting that you only Post Israel's Duties!
Really touching!laugh
Actually the Palestinians haven't lived up to any of their Responsibilities,thus the Stalemate!
And yours ah OP's Take on it really don't matter!
Look at 242 in it's entirety,not just what Israel might have to do!laugh
Besides,a Naked Man still can't hide a Suicide-Belt,and Israel is still charged with Security in the Area,until all has been resolved by NEGOTIATIONS!
Arafat actually,in 2000 at Camp David made all the Responsibilities of Israel Null and Void,when he refused the Offer he got,and went Home and started the Intifada!
Arafat,The Fool,was being handed 90% of what he demanded,the rest to be settled by Negotiations,yet the damn Fool refused!
So,like I said,matters little what OP or you might concoct!
Because,first of all,OP is,like usual only telling Part of the Story!


Sir, please provide a link to exactly what you are referring to... otherwise, please!
common knowledge!
At least to anyone having some idea what is happening over there!

http://www.meforum.org/605/arafats-grand-strategy

no photo
Tue 09/18/12 10:46 AM
POST A LINK! I want to read the exact wording.

It's easy... and should be used to prove your point! Otherwise, BS!

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 09/18/12 10:50 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 09/18/12 10:51 AM

POST A LINK! I want to read the exact wording.

It's easy... and should be used to prove your point! Otherwise, BS!
you want,you want,you want you want to prove some of your own Stuff beside poopooing all that of others!rofl
So far you have used the same Tactics as OP!
Innuendo,Innuendo,and more Innuendo!
Long on Innuendo,and short on proof!
Ce ya tomorrow!

no photo
Tue 09/18/12 10:56 AM
http://www.meforum.org/605/arafats-grand-strategy


WTF is this garbage? I/WE want your misinformation exposed!

A UN.ORG link plz... rofl

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 09/18/12 11:00 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 09/18/12 11:03 AM

http://www.meforum.org/605/arafats-grand-strategy


WTF is this garbage? I/WE want your misinformation exposed!

A UN.ORG link plz... rofl
nice try!In the tradition of OP!
You have nothing to contribute!You're not interested in any Discussion,just like the rest!


besides!

http://granitegrok.com/screw_the_UN.gif

no photo
Tue 09/18/12 11:41 AM


There are those who cannot see and there are those that refuse to see.

Which one are you?

Amira Hass of the Haaretz newspaper cites the following conditions:

“Sooner or later … the wrath of the Palestinian poor will change direction. Instead of blaming the Palestinian Authority, they will turn against their real oppressor: the occupation.”

Inhabitants of the Gaza Strip are not allowed to export their agricultural products;


Israel exploits the water, minerals and other assets in the West Bank;


Palestinian villagers pay much higher prices for water than Israeli settlers;

Gaza fishermen cannot fish beyond three miles from the shore;

Palestinian inhabitants are forbidden to travel on the main highways, compelling them to make costly and time-consuming detours.


and there are those that don't give a rat a$$ about this. No one cares. Obviously the only reason that you post this crap is to create argument and ferment hate. Haven't you better things to do? Good grief.

I stand by my original comment about this post.....

Optomistic69's photo
Tue 09/18/12 12:23 PM



To answer my own Question



It is less than Three Mile Fishing Limit

The Israeli navy harasses Gazan fishermen even within 3-mile limit from shore




"Take off your clothes," ordered the soldier over his megaphone. The old man and his son removed their clothing. "Get into the water," the soldier continued shouting into the megaphone. The son, 18, entered the water from the fishing skiff and swam over to the Israeli navy gunboat.


werll,you can't hide a Suicide-Vest naked!:laughing:


Wasn't that a fishing boat that blew a hole in the USS Cole?


Israel has been killing Palestinians for over sixty years.

34 AMERICANS were murdered on the USS Liberty.

Israel do not care who or where they murder.

Israel do not recognize International Waters.

It is honestly about time that the Dog severe the Tail that is Israel

It sure as hell wasn't a fishing boat that Scuttled the USS Liberty.

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][4]
Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty,[5] though others, including all of the ship's survivors that could be located four decades later, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 09/18/12 01:09 PM




To answer my own Question



It is less than Three Mile Fishing Limit

The Israeli navy harasses Gazan fishermen even within 3-mile limit from shore




"Take off your clothes," ordered the soldier over his megaphone. The old man and his son removed their clothing. "Get into the water," the soldier continued shouting into the megaphone. The son, 18, entered the water from the fishing skiff and swam over to the Israeli navy gunboat.


werll,you can't hide a Suicide-Vest naked!:laughing:


Wasn't that a fishing boat that blew a hole in the USS Cole?


Israel has been killing Palestinians for over sixty years.

34 AMERICANS were murdered on the USS Liberty.

Israel do not care who or where they murder.

Israel do not recognize International Waters.

It is honestly about time that the Dog severe the Tail that is Israel

It sure as hell wasn't a fishing boat that Scuttled the USS Liberty.

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][4]
Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty,[5] though others, including all of the ship's survivors that could be located four decades later, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.

Lookee here,Mister Director!

s1owhand's photo
Tue 09/18/12 03:41 PM
Whoa Ho Ho! Back the the USS Liberty accident are we?!

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/329027

laugh whoa

The USS Liberty - The real facts.

The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the attack was a tragic mistake.

On June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day War, the Israeli high command received reports that Israeli troops in El Arish were being fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel, as they had a day before. The United States had announced that it had no naval forces within hundreds of miles of the battle front on the floor of the United Nations a few days earlier; however, the USS Liberty, an American intelligence ship under the dual control of the Defense Intelligence Agency/Central Intelligence Agency and the Sixth Fleet, was assigned to monitor the fighting. As a result of a series of United States communication failures, whereby messages directing the ship not to approach within 100 miles were not received by the Liberty, the ship sailed to within 14 miles off the Sinai coast. The Israelis mistakenly thought this was the ship shelling its soldiers and war planes and torpedo boats attacked, killing 34 members of the Liberty's crew and wounding 171. Ships from the Sixth Fleet were directed to launch four attack aircraft with fighter cover to defend the Liberty, but the planes were recalled after a message was received at the White House that the Israelis had admitted they had attacked the ship.

Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For example, the Liberty was first reported — incorrectly, as it turned out — to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The sea was calm and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty's flag was very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew, including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the flag was knocked down after the first or second assault.

According to Israeli Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin's memoirs, there were standing orders to attack any unidentified vessel near the shore.1 The day fighting began, Israel had asked that American ships be removed from its coast or that it be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels.2 The Sixth Fleet was moved because President Johnson feared being drawn into a confrontation with the Soviet Union. He also ordered that no aircraft be sent near Sinai.

A CIA report on the incident issued June 13, 1967, also found that an overzealous pilot could mistake the Liberty for an Egyptian ship, the El Quseir. After the air raid, Israeli torpedo boats identified the Liberty as an Egyptian naval vessel. When the Liberty began shooting at the Israelis, they responded with the torpedo attack, which killed 28 of the sailors. In 1981, the National Security Agency noted that accounts by members of the Liberty crew and others did not have access to the relevant signal intelligence reports or the confidential explanation provided by Israel to the United States, which were used in the CIA investigation. The NSA concluded: “While these [signal intelligence of Israeli communications] reports revealed some confusion on the part of the pilots concerning the nationality of the ship, they tended to rule out any thesis that the Israeli Navy and Air Force deliberately attacked a ship they knew to be American.”2a

The Joint Chiefs of Staff investigated the communications failure and noted that the Chief of Naval Operations expressed concern about the prudence of sending the Liberty so close to the area of hostilities and four messages were subsequently sent instructing the ship to move farther away from the area of hostilities. The JCS report said the messages were never received because of “a combination of (1) human error, (2) high volume of communications traffic, and (3) lack of appreciation of sense of urgency regarding the movement of the Liberty.” The report also included a copy of a flash cable sent immediately after the attack, which reported that Israel had “erroneously” attacked the Liberty, that IDF helicopters were in rescue operations, and that Israel had sent “abject apologies” and requested information on any other U.S. ships near the war zone.

Initially, the Israelis were terrified that they had attacked a Soviet ship and might have provoked the Soviets to join the fighting.3 Once the Israelis were sure what had happened, they reported the incident to the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv and offered to provide a helicopter for the Americans to fly out to the ship and any help they required to evacuate the injured and salvage the ship. The offer was accepted and a U.S. naval attaché was flown to the Liberty.

The Israelis were “obviously shocked” by the error they made in attacking the ship, according to the U.S. Ambassador in Tel Aviv. In fact, according to a secret report on the 1967 war, the immediate concern was that the Arabs might see the proximity of the Liberty to the conflict as evidence of U.S.-Israel collusion.3a A second secret report concluded, “While the attack showed a degree of impetuosity and recklessness, it was also clear that the presence of a U.S. naval vessel, unannounced, that close to belligerent shores at a time when we had made much of the fact that no U.S. military forces were moving near the area of hostilities was inviting disaster.”3b

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/liberty.html


HotRodDeluxe's photo
Tue 09/18/12 04:30 PM

Whoa Ho Ho! Back the the USS Liberty accident are we?!

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/329027

laugh whoa

The USS Liberty - The real facts.

The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the attack was a tragic mistake.

On June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day War, the Israeli high command received reports that Israeli troops in El Arish were being fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel, as they had a day before. The United States had announced that it had no naval forces within hundreds of miles of the battle front on the floor of the United Nations a few days earlier; however, the USS Liberty, an American intelligence ship under the dual control of the Defense Intelligence Agency/Central Intelligence Agency and the Sixth Fleet, was assigned to monitor the fighting. As a result of a series of United States communication failures, whereby messages directing the ship not to approach within 100 miles were not received by the Liberty, the ship sailed to within 14 miles off the Sinai coast. The Israelis mistakenly thought this was the ship shelling its soldiers and war planes and torpedo boats attacked, killing 34 members of the Liberty's crew and wounding 171. Ships from the Sixth Fleet were directed to launch four attack aircraft with fighter cover to defend the Liberty, but the planes were recalled after a message was received at the White House that the Israelis had admitted they had attacked the ship.

Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For example, the Liberty was first reported — incorrectly, as it turned out — to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The sea was calm and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty's flag was very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew, including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the flag was knocked down after the first or second assault.

According to Israeli Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin's memoirs, there were standing orders to attack any unidentified vessel near the shore.1 The day fighting began, Israel had asked that American ships be removed from its coast or that it be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels.2 The Sixth Fleet was moved because President Johnson feared being drawn into a confrontation with the Soviet Union. He also ordered that no aircraft be sent near Sinai.

A CIA report on the incident issued June 13, 1967, also found that an overzealous pilot could mistake the Liberty for an Egyptian ship, the El Quseir. After the air raid, Israeli torpedo boats identified the Liberty as an Egyptian naval vessel. When the Liberty began shooting at the Israelis, they responded with the torpedo attack, which killed 28 of the sailors. In 1981, the National Security Agency noted that accounts by members of the Liberty crew and others did not have access to the relevant signal intelligence reports or the confidential explanation provided by Israel to the United States, which were used in the CIA investigation. The NSA concluded: “While these [signal intelligence of Israeli communications] reports revealed some confusion on the part of the pilots concerning the nationality of the ship, they tended to rule out any thesis that the Israeli Navy and Air Force deliberately attacked a ship they knew to be American.”2a

The Joint Chiefs of Staff investigated the communications failure and noted that the Chief of Naval Operations expressed concern about the prudence of sending the Liberty so close to the area of hostilities and four messages were subsequently sent instructing the ship to move farther away from the area of hostilities. The JCS report said the messages were never received because of “a combination of (1) human error, (2) high volume of communications traffic, and (3) lack of appreciation of sense of urgency regarding the movement of the Liberty.” The report also included a copy of a flash cable sent immediately after the attack, which reported that Israel had “erroneously” attacked the Liberty, that IDF helicopters were in rescue operations, and that Israel had sent “abject apologies” and requested information on any other U.S. ships near the war zone.

Initially, the Israelis were terrified that they had attacked a Soviet ship and might have provoked the Soviets to join the fighting.3 Once the Israelis were sure what had happened, they reported the incident to the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv and offered to provide a helicopter for the Americans to fly out to the ship and any help they required to evacuate the injured and salvage the ship. The offer was accepted and a U.S. naval attaché was flown to the Liberty.

The Israelis were “obviously shocked” by the error they made in attacking the ship, according to the U.S. Ambassador in Tel Aviv. In fact, according to a secret report on the 1967 war, the immediate concern was that the Arabs might see the proximity of the Liberty to the conflict as evidence of U.S.-Israel collusion.3a A second secret report concluded, “While the attack showed a degree of impetuosity and recklessness, it was also clear that the presence of a U.S. naval vessel, unannounced, that close to belligerent shores at a time when we had made much of the fact that no U.S. military forces were moving near the area of hostilities was inviting disaster.”3b

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/liberty.html




No-one is interested in facts. They just want to air their hatred for Jews.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Tue 09/18/12 04:32 PM





To answer my own Question



It is less than Three Mile Fishing Limit

The Israeli navy harasses Gazan fishermen even within 3-mile limit from shore




"Take off your clothes," ordered the soldier over his megaphone. The old man and his son removed their clothing. "Get into the water," the soldier continued shouting into the megaphone. The son, 18, entered the water from the fishing skiff and swam over to the Israeli navy gunboat.


werll,you can't hide a Suicide-Vest naked!:laughing:


Wasn't that a fishing boat that blew a hole in the USS Cole?


Israel has been killing Palestinians for over sixty years.

34 AMERICANS were murdered on the USS Liberty.

Israel do not care who or where they murder.

Israel do not recognize International Waters.

It is honestly about time that the Dog severe the Tail that is Israel

It sure as hell wasn't a fishing boat that Scuttled the USS Liberty.

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][4]
Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty,[5] though others, including all of the ship's survivors that could be located four decades later, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.

Lookee here,Mister Director!


Isn't that 'Herr Direktor'?

no photo
Tue 09/18/12 07:58 PM


Whoa Ho Ho! Back the the USS Liberty accident are we?!

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/329027

laugh whoa

The USS Liberty - The real facts.

The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the attack was a tragic mistake.

On June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day War, the Israeli high command received reports that Israeli troops in El Arish were being fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel, as they had a day before. The United States had announced that it had no naval forces within hundreds of miles of the battle front on the floor of the United Nations a few days earlier; however, the USS Liberty, an American intelligence ship under the dual control of the Defense Intelligence Agency/Central Intelligence Agency and the Sixth Fleet, was assigned to monitor the fighting. As a result of a series of United States communication failures, whereby messages directing the ship not to approach within 100 miles were not received by the Liberty, the ship sailed to within 14 miles off the Sinai coast. The Israelis mistakenly thought this was the ship shelling its soldiers and war planes and torpedo boats attacked, killing 34 members of the Liberty's crew and wounding 171. Ships from the Sixth Fleet were directed to launch four attack aircraft with fighter cover to defend the Liberty, but the planes were recalled after a message was received at the White House that the Israelis had admitted they had attacked the ship.

Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For example, the Liberty was first reported — incorrectly, as it turned out — to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The sea was calm and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty's flag was very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew, including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the flag was knocked down after the first or second assault.

According to Israeli Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin's memoirs, there were standing orders to attack any unidentified vessel near the shore.1 The day fighting began, Israel had asked that American ships be removed from its coast or that it be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels.2 The Sixth Fleet was moved because President Johnson feared being drawn into a confrontation with the Soviet Union. He also ordered that no aircraft be sent near Sinai.

A CIA report on the incident issued June 13, 1967, also found that an overzealous pilot could mistake the Liberty for an Egyptian ship, the El Quseir. After the air raid, Israeli torpedo boats identified the Liberty as an Egyptian naval vessel. When the Liberty began shooting at the Israelis, they responded with the torpedo attack, which killed 28 of the sailors. In 1981, the National Security Agency noted that accounts by members of the Liberty crew and others did not have access to the relevant signal intelligence reports or the confidential explanation provided by Israel to the United States, which were used in the CIA investigation. The NSA concluded: “While these [signal intelligence of Israeli communications] reports revealed some confusion on the part of the pilots concerning the nationality of the ship, they tended to rule out any thesis that the Israeli Navy and Air Force deliberately attacked a ship they knew to be American.”2a

The Joint Chiefs of Staff investigated the communications failure and noted that the Chief of Naval Operations expressed concern about the prudence of sending the Liberty so close to the area of hostilities and four messages were subsequently sent instructing the ship to move farther away from the area of hostilities. The JCS report said the messages were never received because of “a combination of (1) human error, (2) high volume of communications traffic, and (3) lack of appreciation of sense of urgency regarding the movement of the Liberty.” The report also included a copy of a flash cable sent immediately after the attack, which reported that Israel had “erroneously” attacked the Liberty, that IDF helicopters were in rescue operations, and that Israel had sent “abject apologies” and requested information on any other U.S. ships near the war zone.

Initially, the Israelis were terrified that they had attacked a Soviet ship and might have provoked the Soviets to join the fighting.3 Once the Israelis were sure what had happened, they reported the incident to the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv and offered to provide a helicopter for the Americans to fly out to the ship and any help they required to evacuate the injured and salvage the ship. The offer was accepted and a U.S. naval attaché was flown to the Liberty.

The Israelis were “obviously shocked” by the error they made in attacking the ship, according to the U.S. Ambassador in Tel Aviv. In fact, according to a secret report on the 1967 war, the immediate concern was that the Arabs might see the proximity of the Liberty to the conflict as evidence of U.S.-Israel collusion.3a A second secret report concluded, “While the attack showed a degree of impetuosity and recklessness, it was also clear that the presence of a U.S. naval vessel, unannounced, that close to belligerent shores at a time when we had made much of the fact that no U.S. military forces were moving near the area of hostilities was inviting disaster.”3b

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No-one is interested in facts. They just want to air their hatred for Jews.



Exactly, they get some sort of sick satisfaction from it.ill

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