Don't really want to get into gory, gloomy kind of discussion. More so the translation(s), and if and what translation(s) may translate it correct/incorrect to get a better understanding of what is being said.

Hades, Sheol, ect. If you know more that would be interesting to find out.

But Hades is also translated simply as "grave" as well.

Now the common picture of hell is more or less a firey cave so to speak.

My thought on this is, Hades/Hell is truly "grave". For what is in the center of this Earth? Firey, molten lava, and rocks and so forth lol. But it is firey so to speak with the molten lava and what not.

What are your thoughts on this?

Sheol is translated as "abode of the dead". So with that, it can safely be said to be the "grave" as well.

But this is peculiar because of verses like this

Revelation 20:13

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Doesn't make sense, why in this verse it's referring to it as "hell" and not "grave" and so forth. Anyone have any enlightenment on why the two terms are used separately like that?

Another courious question is to why the NewTestament was written in Greek Koine, a dialect of Attic Greek. And the old testament was written in Hebrew, although some later material was written in Aramaic

And it is believed Jesus' native tongue was Aramaic, so another question is if he was speaking in this language, obviously they understood this language. So why was the scriptures not written in this language. :/

KJV: Sheol translated as “Hell”

Deuteronomy 32:22—"For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn in the lowest hell. and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

2 Samuel 22:6 —"The cords of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;"

Job 11:8—"It [God’s wisdom] is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?"

And if you'll notice, especially in the Deuteronomy verse it speaks as if a hole eg., grave. "The lowest hell", not the lowest part(s) of hell, but the lowest hell. Insinuating other "hell(s)".

The Samuel verse speaks as a grave as well, but job not so much in my opinion. It seems to be speaking of a specific place rather then a "general" place eg., a grave.

Found this, these are the words translated into "hell"

sheol, hadees, tartarus, and gehenna

If you ignore the English translations, there is no "hell"...

Please define "hell".

From these scriptures mentioned already, hell seems to be the grave.

Ezekiel 28:17
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Again speaking of the "Ground".

I can't define "hell". It's a man-made word that was used as a translation from the words you have already mentioned.

IMO, "hell" was made up to scare the masses into conformity.

Maybe you need to go to a christian website to get that question sorted CowboyGH. My uninformed thoughts are different places, therefore different words to describe the abodes of the dead. From the little I know and tried to piece together from peoples

accounts of being there, each area is dependant of the gravity of sins done here on earth. The 2 people I have met that went there (both overdoses, 1 intentional, 1 not) both experienced different areas...complete evil feeling darkness AND a fiery area.

I'm curious now why the word "hell" has been turned into a fiery decollete place of torture. All to most words translated into hell, mean pit and abode of the dead, the grave basically.

It seems "hell" is a pagan belief. But if it is a pagan belief, why do so many churches teach this? Even down to people being tortured in hell. Maybe not directly stating those exact words, but in the teachings itself.

It just dawned on me, where this belief of eternal torture in hell has come from. It comes from a secular thinking I do believe. Because when we die on Earth, we are no longer in this body. Thus, a fiery pit would then have absolutely no effect on us.

If something is dead, it is no longer living. If it is no longer living, it no longer has an existence. If it no longer has an existence there is absolutely no way for it to be tortured. And come judgement day and we are judged. We either are let into the gates of Heaven or will be thrown into the lake of fire with Satan. But the key knowledge in this I do believe is, that it says "this is known as the second death" or "this will be the second death" or something along those lines lol.

Don't know about anyone else lol, but the reason I'm posting this is because this has been a revelation in my findings here to me and don't know if anyone else only knew of the pagan belief(s) so I'm posting it and thinking out loud for anyone else that thought this lol.

Aye, but this could not possibly be true. Please elaborate if I'm not understanding what you are trying to say. But there is only one sin greater then another, and that is denying the LORD thy God. Outside of that, all sins are equal. If you do one sin, you are guilty of them all.

James 2:10
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

I thought of it. But I'm not a "Christian" so to speak. I'm am a child of God. Only this world places the title "Christian" on that. Please show where the word "Christian" is mentioned in the scriptures. Using an older version of course, not a translation of a translation of a translation, ect lol.

I don't conform to "Christian" teachings. I follow the laws God has instructed us to do, given through the scriptures we possess, not what "Christians" instruct.

Got a question for you, will Christianity save your soul? Or will God save your soul?

I really am not interested in debating the topics you have bought up. They dont mean that much to me. The bible says we see in a mirror darkly. That is where I leave the 'too hard basket' things. Everyone has differing views. I state IDK. We know in part!

I'm sorry, there has been some misunderstanding somewhere. No one is "debating". That's how "discussions" work. One person says one thing, then another says something else. If they don't agree with one another, then that's it. They don't agree with one another. A debate is only when one is trying to force their thoughts on the other(s) as fact, absolute without a chance of it being wrong.

If I am mistaken on what I have said in this thread, I would truly love to see this. Not just someone saying it's wrong. But scriptural evidence and or word context/interpretation evidence.

Lol, forgive my error. I ought to have said 'discussion'. I was not offended and I meant no offence.

Your clearly a very deep thinker and your questions probably exceed the deepth most of us have taken these particular subjects.

While many describe hell as the lake of fire and pain forever, my view and understanding of hell as we are calling it is the separation from our heavenly father forever. No warmth or comfort from him will we find. I am less concerned I guess with what happens to the 'me' as compared to not being with my father. . At some point I will spend more time with this thought but He has me working on other areas of understanding right now.

I am challenged by the attempt to redefine the value of the word Christianity. We need words that you and I understand and can comprehend in our limited capacities.

And I am one with you in the understanding that it's the heavenly father we are seeking as to seeking Christ alone. Many worship the christ seeming forgetting what he came to do. But the intent of the word 'Christianity' is following the teachings of Jesus Christ the son of God. And if you believe in the scriptures then we are sons of Adam who, through the finishing work that God had Jesus the Christ do, we became adopted sons of God fully worthy, wholly, righteous and pure as snow in our Fathers eyes.

Personally I find God's plan brilliant beyond human ability to engineer. Maybe that's just me. I am in love with Christ because my father calls me to be and I long for his approval above all else. Therefor I have no fear of 'hell'. I am already with my father now.

More specific. The Lord God is the highest of highs and hell is the lowest lows. There clearly is a chart here of mixed glory and misery between. thats we're we are.

Interesting to contemplate the lowest of hells. I Guess I relate that to the parts of my life now that are risen to great wholly places and yet other parts of my life have been a living hell. My current view of this would be getting to a point of absolute hell and no glory. Lowest of hells. More thought needed though. Thanks for the challenge.

the absence or loss of the soul
it is not a place and u do not have to die to be there

the best "hell" is Sartre's No Exit

read it if u have not (if u wish - that was intended as a recommedation)

Hikerjohn, that is where my spirit finds rest & comfort ~ focus being on the Father & never wanting to do anything that would grieve His Holy Spirit. I am continually reaching higher, forgetting below me. Pursuing passionate intimacy, perfect love in Him