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Topic: Time to Call Diplomatic Effort on Iran a Failure, Israeli Of
Optomistic69's photo
Mon 08/13/12 02:34 PM

Iran will use it immedietly against a Western power or Israel


Israel has manytimes been within their rights to use a nuclear weapon but have showed admirable restraint.



surprised

Lord help us! sick


Amen

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Mon 08/13/12 03:05 PM
I have no problem with any nation having nuclear weapons. I do have a problem when the leader of a country has the religion that the destruction of a nation will fulfill his religious beliefs. It's kinda quirky if you ask me. surprised

smart2009's photo
Mon 08/13/12 06:47 PM
Oil prices rose to near $94 a barrel Monday as increased concerns about the possible escalation of the conflict between Israel and Iran helped crude claw back last week's losses triggered by the International Energy Agency's lower crude demand forecast.
By early afternoon in Europe, benchmark crude for September delivery was up 80 cents at $93.67 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The contract fell 49 cents to end at $92.87 on Friday.
In London, Brent crude was up $1.56 at $114.51 on the ICEFutures exchange.

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Mon 08/13/12 09:16 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 08/13/12 09:16 PM
Rumor is that Iran has access to enough neutron bombs to annihilate Israel. These were given to them by the Cabal.

They told Obama about it and told him to come get these weapons, and nothing happened.

Of course the source for this information is Benjamin Fulford, so take it with two grains of salt and a glass of tequila.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 08/13/12 10:18 PM

I have heard it all now.

Israel has a RIGHT to use NUCLEAR WEAPONS


Yes they do.

smart2009's photo
Tue 08/14/12 12:41 AM
Lengthy Iran conflict likely to cost Israeli economy billions of shekels.
Former finance ministry director general says nuclear Iran involves considerable economic cost to Israel, adds that war with Iran would be much more expensive than Second Lebanon War.
In the heart of the Jerusalem hills is a"pit" which, like its twin in the Tel Aviv headquarters of the Defense Ministry, is intended for use by top government officials in the event of a national security emergency.
It's safe to assume that, in light of growing talks during the past few weeks about an Israeli strike on Iranian nuclear facilities, the pits have been getting thorough inspections and sprucing up.
Construction on the Jerusalem underground war room began in 2002, under Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, and it took a few years and somewhere betweenNIS 500 million and NIS 1 billion to complete.
In the event of an Israeli strike on Iran and an anticipated Iranian counterstrike,Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the core of government activities will likely move to the pit in the Jerusalem hills, while Defense Minister Ehud Barak and the top commanders of the Israel Defense Forces can be expected to go underground in Tel Aviv.
They aren't the only ones preparing for anemergency. The Bankof Israel, for example,has its own underground hideaway, more thanan hour's drive from Jerusalem, as does the Finance Ministry, while the Central Bureau of Statistics protects its precious data from nuclear attack with radiation-proof storage facilities.
Price for no war, too
While all governmentministries and top agencies have protocols in place in the event of war with Iran, including an Iranian counter-attack against Israel, most are tight-lippedabout the details. And while no one knows whether Israelwill attack Iran or how Iran would respond, what is known is that a war with Iran could cost Israel tens of billions of shekels.
Yarom Ariav, Finance Ministry director general from 2007-2009, is considered an expert in defense budgets.
"Before talking aboutthe implications of war with Iran, it must be said that thealternative carries a price, too. A nuclear Iran involves considerable economic cost to Israel, from its effect on our economic rating to large security outlays," Ariav points out.
He notes that after the Second Lebanon War of 2006 - which lasted 34 days, involved only one front and did not require full troop deployment - the treasury issued an NIS 8.2 billion extraordinary allocation to refill theIDF's emergency armories. In addition,the state paid out NIS 7 billion in compensation and rebuilding costs afterthe war.
"And that was beforethe expensive weapons systems we have now - the Arrow, Magic Wand and Iron Dome," Ariav notes, adding that a war with Iran would be much moreexpensive.
"There's also the collateral damage. Israel's daily domestic product is around NIS 3 billion per day. The questionis how many days theeconomy would be paralyzed if war breaks out. If 50% of the economy is paralyzed, that's a loss of NIS 1.5 billion a day, NIS 45 billion amonth," Ariav notes, adding that the long-term effects cannot be forgotten.
"Economists called the decade after the Yom Kippur War 'the lost decade.' There was a decline in the standard of living. Enormous amounts were diverted into restoring the militaryestablishment, at theexpense of civilian budgets," Ariav said, adding that a war would hurt Israel's credit rating, tourismand foreign trade.
In April, Fitch Ratings announced that Israel's credit rating would rise if the tension with Iran abated and noted that its decision to retain its Stable outlook for Israel"does not incorporate event risk in the shape of a possible attack on Iran's nuclear facilities."
An executive at an international investment bank, who maintains close contact with investors, said this week that foreign investors are very concerned about the situation with Iran, noting that foreign activity on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange is near zero these days, largely because of the Iran issue.
Gilad Alper, an analyst at Excellence Nessuah Investment House, disagrees, saying that for foreign investors, “Israel always has a dark cloud hovering above.”
Alper notes that credit default swaps on Israeli bonds − “a classic measurement of the risk the market assigns to a state” − have not risen. According to Alper, the possibility of Israel attacking Iran does not affect whether foreigners invest in the country. He even suggests that a brief, successful Israeli strike could benefit the local economy. “You remove the cloud hanging over the economy, Israel demonstrates its technological superiority − and a few articles go up on Bloomberg about how Israel achieved that superiority,” Alper says, adding that Iran is not the main problem with the Israeli economy.
Giora Eiland, a formerhead of the National Security Council who is now a senior research fellow at theNational Institute for Security Studies, also does not believe thata strike on Iran will critically damage the Israeli economy.
“The direct cost of the attack itself is negligible. What costs is preparing for a strike − the spending on intelligence and the relevant armaments − and most of that we’ve already paid. It’s part of the reasonfor the increase in the defense budget in the past few years,” Eiland says. The costs arising from an Iranian counterstrike, Eiland admits, cannot be estimated “without knowing the nature of the response − andI personally think it won’t be dramatic.”
http://www.haaretz.com/business/lengthy-iran-conflict-likely-to-cost-israeli-economy-billions-of-shekels-1.458060

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Tue 08/14/12 06:13 AM

Tell this guy all you know about Israeli Nukes. Tell him that I am telling lies about The Nukes of Israel.laugh laugh laugh









Mordechai Vanunu is a former Israeli nuclear technician who, citing his opposition to weapons of mass destruction, revealed details of Israel's nuclear weapons program to the British press in 1986.

He was subsequently lured to Italy by a Mossad agent,where he was drugged and abducted by Israeli intelligence agents.


He was transported to Israel and ultimately convicted in a trial that was held behind closed doors.


If Israel can do that to their own people ...well, think Gaza Daec/Jan 2008/2009















India and Pakistan have not signed the NPT either...North Korea signed but withdrew in 2003...Iran, Syria, Libya, and Iraq have all violated the treaty's stipulations by threatening (repeatedly) Israel...Israel has never threatened annihilation of any country, never...They, above all others, have a VALID reason for not signing...Allegations (200 or more warheads) are just that, allegations.....

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Tue 08/14/12 08:09 AM
Iran’s nuclear ambitions are clearly dangerous to the region. Iranian leaders operated a nuclear program in secret for two decades and continued to invest in it even after its discovery in 2002. The government is outspoken in its hatred of Israel. It supports President Bashar al-Assad of Syria and extremist groups like Hezbollah. If Iran gets a weapon, other countries in the region may want one, too.
Military action is no quick fix. Even a sustained air campaign would likely set Iran’s nuclear program back only by a few years and would rally tremendous sympathy for Iran both at home and abroad. The current international consensus for sanctions, and the punishments, would evaporate. It would shift international outrage against Mr. Assad’s brutality in Syria to Israel. Many former Israeli intelligence and military officials have spoken out against a military attack. And polls show that manyordinary Israelis oppose unilateral action.
Even so, Mr. Netanyahu’s hard-line government has never liked the idea of negotiating with Iran on the nuclear issue, and, at times, seems in a rush to end them altogether.On Sunday, the deputy foreign minister, Danny Ayalon, told Israel Radio that the United States and the other major powers should simply “ declare today that the talks have failed .”
Of course, it is disappointing that the negotiations have made so little progress. No one can be sure that any mix of diplomacy and sanctions will persuade Iran to giveup its ambitions. But the talks have been under way only since April, and the toughest sanctions just took effect in July.
There is still time for intensified diplomacy. It would be best served if the major powers stay united and Israeli leaders temper loose talk of war.

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Tue 08/14/12 08:23 AM

Iran’s nuclear ambitions are clearly dangerous to the region. Iranian leaders operated a nuclear program in secret for two decades and continued to invest in it even after its discovery in 2002. The government is outspoken in its hatred of Israel. It supports President Bashar al-Assad of Syria and extremist groups like Hezbollah. If Iran gets a weapon, other countries in the region may want one, too.
Military action is no quick fix. Even a sustained air campaign would likely set Iran’s nuclear program back only by a few years and would rally tremendous sympathy for Iran both at home and abroad. The current international consensus for sanctions, and the punishments, would evaporate. It would shift international outrage against Mr. Assad’s brutality in Syria to Israel. Many former Israeli intelligence and military officials have spoken out against a military attack. And polls show that manyordinary Israelis oppose unilateral action.
Even so, Mr. Netanyahu’s hard-line government has never liked the idea of negotiating with Iran on the nuclear issue, and, at times, seems in a rush to end them altogether.On Sunday, the deputy foreign minister, Danny Ayalon, told Israel Radio that the United States and the other major powers should simply “ declare today that the talks have failed .”
Of course, it is disappointing that the negotiations have made so little progress. No one can be sure that any mix of diplomacy and sanctions will persuade Iran to giveup its ambitions. But the talks have been under way only since April, and the toughest sanctions just took effect in July.
There is still time for intensified diplomacy. It would be best served if the major powers stay united and Israeli leaders temper loose talk of war.



I agree!...Clearly, the only way to achieve a positive outcome rest firmly with the Iranians ending nuclear programs and unwarranted threats against Israel....There barbaric actions leave Israel no choice but to stay on the defensive as it is a life or death matter....Major world powers must always maintain a united front in the fight against terrorism...

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Tue 08/14/12 11:33 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 08/14/12 11:35 AM


I have heard it all now.

Israel has a RIGHT to use NUCLEAR WEAPONS


Yes they do.


Okay then, to make it fair, so does Iran.

All is fair in love an war they say.


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